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Pope John Paul II and Pope John XXIII to become saints
The Guardian ^ | Monday 30 September 2013 | Sam Jones and Lizzy Davies

Posted on 09/30/2013 6:55:29 AM PDT by FewsOrange

Pope John XXIII, the pontiff who called the landmark Second Vatican Council, and Pope John Paul II, who crisscrossed the globe during his 26 years as leader of the Roman Catholic church, will be declared saints next spring, Pope Francis has announced.

The announcement of the date for the canonisations had been expected since July, when Francis approved a second miracle attributed to John Paul, clearing the path for the fastest canonisation in modern times.

During a meeting with cardinals inside the Apostolic palace on Monday, the pope revealed that the canonisations would take place on 27 April next year.

When his predecessor, Benedict XVI, began John Paul's beatification process a month after the Polish pontiff died in 2005, the Vatican said the usual five-year waiting period was to be waived because of "exceptional circumstances".

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Francis's decision to canonise John XXIII even though the Italian pope has been credited with only one miracle since his death in 1963 is also unusual.

However, observers have noted that Francis – whose young papacy has been characterised by its warmth and informality – has much in common with the pontiff fondly nicknamed "Good Pope John". John XXIII was also fond of late-night strolls around Rome and pastoral visits to sick children and prison inmates.

And, in an interview with a US Jesuit magazine earlier this month, Francis said he intended to follow John XXIII's motto when it came to governing the church: "See everything; turn a blind eye to much; correct a little."

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"Vatican II was a re-reading of the gospel in light of contemporary culture," he said. "Vatican II produced a renewal movement that simply comes from the same gospel. Its fruits are enormous. ...

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


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1 posted on 09/30/2013 6:55:29 AM PDT by FewsOrange
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To: FewsOrange

I am not Catholic. So please excuse my ignorance. Why is this so important with so much news coverage? What does it mean to Catholics? Pope John Paul II was beloved. I understand that much, but what does being made a Saint actually mean?


2 posted on 09/30/2013 7:14:46 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; FewsOrange

It means you get your own “special day” and recipes to go with it.


3 posted on 09/30/2013 7:20:08 AM PDT by smvoice (The 2 greatest days of your life: the day you're born. And the day you discover why.)
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To: FewsOrange
IBTCB

(in before the Catholic bashing)

CC

4 posted on 09/30/2013 7:20:38 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Celtic Conservative

too late..


5 posted on 09/30/2013 7:21:12 AM PDT by smvoice (The 2 greatest days of your life: the day you're born. And the day you discover why.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Essentially, take someone who has "fame of sanctity" or "fame of martyrdom" and confirm that they are in heaven (via various means, there has to be miracles associated etc(although in this case they waived that requirement I believe, for some reason?) ) as an example to people who find that person inspiring, as a known source of intercession.

Used to take a long time (hundreds of years, with people to argue against sainthood), now they seem to take somebody well-known and say "he seems like nice guy, lets saint him. And he's a nice guy too, lets saint him as well."

6 posted on 09/30/2013 7:22:16 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: smvoice
Actually you're not too far off on the recipes thing if the saint in question is given a feast day.

CC

7 posted on 09/30/2013 7:28:23 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: FewsOrange
Pope John XXIII? The one whose trial Edward Gibbon described thus?

"The most scandalous charges were suppressed; the Vicar of Christ was only accused of piracy, murder, rape, sodomy and incest."

Oh, you mean the other one.

8 posted on 09/30/2013 7:34:05 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: BuckeyeTexan
In tha Catholic Church, being pronounced a saint is a big deal. There are three steps to it: Venerable, Blessed, Saint. Thes FR links will help you.

How Many Miracles are Required to Canonize a Saint?
Saints [Catholic, Orthodox, Open]
SAINTHOOD 101: Rules for Becoming a Saint [Catholic Caucus]
The Process of Becoming a Saint (Canonization) [Catholic Caucus]
Pope Lists Criteria for Causes of Canonization

9 posted on 09/30/2013 7:42:49 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Pope John Paul II was beloved. I understand that much, but what does being made a Saint actually mean?

Here's the thing. Saints are made Saints only by the Lord God. The Church doesn't make a Saint. It can only declare a person a Saint...and in so doing the Church then holds this Saint up as a model of virtue for the rest of us to learn from.

I'm a Catholic and have been for all my 55 years. I'm not overly impressed with canonizations but I do honor those canonized for their great virtue and holiness.

10 posted on 09/30/2013 7:48:03 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Pan_Yan

No we’re referring to the real Pope...not the 17 year old anti-pope.


11 posted on 09/30/2013 7:49:28 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Salvation

Thanks, Salvation. You’re a very big help in my quest to understand. I appreciate you.


12 posted on 09/30/2013 8:02:56 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Celtic Conservative; Salvation

Oh, no. Please forgive me. I didn’t mean to start a bashing. My question was serious and well intentioned. Recently, I was horrified and ashamed to find out that I did not know that the Catholic Bible is different from the Protestant Bible. I know more about Judaism than my fellow believers. I have been on a quest to rehabilitate my pathetic ignorance. There is just no excuse.


13 posted on 09/30/2013 8:11:45 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: pgkdan
No we’re referring to the real Pope...not the 17 year old anti-pope.

I was making a light hearted joke. Sheesh.

By the way, Antipope John xxiii was 30 when elected during the Western Schism. You're thinking of John xii, elected as a teenager during the Iron Age of the Papacy. He's the one who died in bed with a married woman either of heart attack or by the hands of her husband. He's considered one of the unbroken line of "real" popes.

14 posted on 09/30/2013 8:18:06 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: FewsOrange

I remember, as if it were yesterday, lying in my bed at a remote Air Force radar site in the territory of Alaska, listening to AFN when the news was announced that the Church had a new pope — John XXIII.

The reason I remember is that I always listened to a radio program that started with the haunting melody of Maurice Ravel’s ‘Pavane for a dead princess’.


15 posted on 09/30/2013 8:21:40 AM PDT by 353FMG ( I don't say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
I wasn't referring to you specifically, Buckeye. Your questions were honest and repectful. I was referring to the fact that the Catholic threads sometimes devolve into thinly veiled "Catholic bashing". I was just referring to the propensity of these kinds of threads getting nasty fast, that's all.

CC

16 posted on 09/30/2013 8:23:53 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: pgkdan; Salvation
Here's the thing. Saints are made Saints only by the Lord God. The Church doesn't make a Saint. It can only declare a person a Saint...and in so doing the Church then holds this Saint up as a model of virtue for the rest of us to learn from.

Okay. That makes good sense. So is a Saint simply (not meaning "merely" but rather "essentially") a role model or is (s)he more than that? Do Catholics pray to Saints as portrayed in movies? Do they believe Saints have a special power or influence/favor with God/Christ? Is the Church's declaration of a Saint equivalent to a formal/official statement that (s)he is in Heaven with Christ?

For example, I recently learned where Scripture gives priests the power to forgive sins and assign penance. Previously, I scorned the idea as being inconsistent with Scripture.

(Courtesy ping to Salvation who is guiding my education in Catholicism very patiently.)

17 posted on 09/30/2013 8:28:14 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

**Do Catholics pray to Saints as portrayed in movies?**

The movies tend to portray this in a leftist manner. A movie-goer never hears the words, “Saint ______________, pray for me.

That’s all we ask them to do. They have souls and are alive in heaven and pass our prayers on to Jesus. (As well as praying for us.)


18 posted on 09/30/2013 8:34:32 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Celtic Conservative

Okay. Thanks.

How/why do people get nasty? Is it heated differences of opinion/interpretation or outright displays of hatred as with anti-semitism and anti-mormonism?

Is there a particular subject I should avoid to prevent starting such bashing? If you don’t want to share, I understand or if you want to answer privately, that’s cool also. I’m just curious.


19 posted on 09/30/2013 8:38:17 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Pan_Yan
Darn right, Pan_Yan. I have it on the Best Authority that ALL of the real Catholic Popes-- like the "unreal" ones, the anti-popes--- were sinners.

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Of course.

20 posted on 09/30/2013 4:43:31 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." - Jesus Christ - Matthew 19:17)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; Salvation; Celtic Conservative
Hi, Buckeye. You are,as far as I can see, always exhibiting good will. How refreshing!

If I can have a try with your questions. Yes, a canonized saint has essentially been vetted and found to be a good 'un worthy of emulation.

Yes Catholics DO pray to Saints (I don't know about "as portrayed in movies", unless it's something you got from Ignatius Press --LINK)

It's not that we think Saints have a "special" power or influence/favor with God/Christ, but that they have surely no less efficatiousness in heaven than the saints on earth would have. As James says (James 5:16) "The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective." Surely no less so, once they're in heaven!

The Church's declaration of a Saint IS a formal/official statement that (s)he is in Heaven with Christ? Ordinarily it takes 2 fully investigated, authenticated miracles, taken as signs from Heaven that this person truly enjoys God's favor. (That is, signs -- usually cures--- obtained from God via the intercession of that saint, not during their lifetime, but after their death.) That always served as a safeguard against the too-hasty canonization of a person based merely on their popularity with their contemporaries or near-contemporaries.

Does that make sense?

21 posted on 09/30/2013 5:03:26 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." - Jesus Christ - Matthew 19:17)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

This is why I seldom venture into the Religion forum. I made a joke. Someone got touchy. I corrected a small mistake with a historical antecdote. Someone else came along and got touchy.

Here, if it makes everyone feel better I’ll pick on myself. What’s the biggest difference between a Catholic and a Baptist? Baptists won’t greet each other in a liquor store.


22 posted on 09/30/2013 5:17:07 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

:op


23 posted on 09/30/2013 7:34:23 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What unites us all, of any race, gender, or religion, is that we all believe we are above average.)
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