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JOHN, SON OF ZEBEDEE [Official Mormon Church Web site says apostle John 'never died']
Lds.org (Mormon Church Web site) ^

Posted on 10/01/2013 5:35:33 PM PDT by Colofornian

One of the Twelve Apostles in the New Testament, a son of Zebedee, and a brother of James. In his early life he was a fisherman (Mark 1:17–20). He is probably the unnamed disciple of John the Baptist mentioned in John 1:40. Later he received a call to be a disciple of Jesus Christ (Matt. 4:21–22; Luke 5:1–11). He wrote the Gospel of John, three epistles, and the book of Revelation. He was one of three who were with the Lord at the raising of Jairus’s daughter (Mark 5:35–42), at the Mount of Transfiguration (Matt. 17:1–9), and in Gethsemane (Matt. 26:36–46). In his own writings he refers to himself as the disciple whom Jesus loved (John 13:23; 21:20) and as the “other disciple” (John 20:2–8). Jesus also called him and his brother Boanerges, “sons of thunder” (Mark 3:17). There are frequent references to him in the accounts of the crucifixion and resurrection (Luke 22:8; John 18:15; 19:26–27; 20:2–8; 21:1–2). John was later banished to Patmos, where he wrote the book of Revelation (Rev. 1:9).

John is mentioned frequently in latter-day revelation (1 Ne. 14:18–27; 3 Ne. 28:6; Ether 4:16; D&C 7; 27:12; 61:14; 77; 88:141). These passages confirm the biblical record of John and also provide insight into his greatness and the importance of the work the Lord has given him to do on the earth in New Testament times and in the last days. The latter-day scriptures clarify that John did not die but was allowed to remain on the earth as a ministering servant until the time of the Lord’s second coming (John 21:20–23; 3 Ne. 28:6–7; D&C 7).

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TOPICS: History; Other Christian; Other non-Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: apostlejohn; lds; mormonism; neverdied
From THE OFFICIAL Mormon Church Web site: The latter-day scriptures clarify that John did not die but was allowed to remain on the earth as a ministering servant until the time of the Lord’s second coming (...3 Ne. 28:6–7; D&C 7).

Yet...yet...yet...

THE right-off-the-bat Mormon missionary lesson that their 80,000 missionaries CURRENTLY teach is that when all the apostles (but John) died "...Christ’s true church did not exist. NO ONE held the authority to act in God’s name."

See: Lds Missionary LESSON 1 – THE RESTORATION OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST

What? The apostle John didn't hold the authority to act in God's Name?

Really?

Is that what you Mormon missionaries are telling others? You believe he was afloatin' 'round earth...yet has had zilcho divine authority these past 1900+ years???

1 posted on 10/01/2013 5:35:34 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

This is an outrage. I think.


2 posted on 10/01/2013 5:36:29 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: All
Also just posted so that you can plainly see these blatant inconsistent Mormon teachings side by side: LESSON 1 – THE RESTORATION OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST [Lds Missionary Lessons: Apostasy alleged]
3 posted on 10/01/2013 5:37:09 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

We now know what the final battle sounded like on hill Cumorah as hordes of Jewish Indians (aka Lamanites) fired withering storms of arrows at the surrounded hapless Nephites,

“Shizzzzz...Shizzzzz....SHIZZZZZZ!!!”

So total was the slaughter, not one single trace remains.


4 posted on 10/01/2013 5:42:26 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: elcid1970

So who has the picture of Mel Brooks on a horse?


5 posted on 10/01/2013 5:53:21 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Colofornian

I had a Mormon tell me that John lost the priesthood because he was “not worthy”. @.@


6 posted on 10/01/2013 5:53:32 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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I had a Mormon tell me that John lost the priesthood because he was “not worthy”. @.@

I saw a Mormon Web article recently which said that official Mormondom used to blame the "universal apostasy" on the early Christian leaders...but that the Mormon narrative had changed over more to blaming the Christian grassroots.

The current Mormon missionary lesson indeed blames the Christians-at-large back then -- not the leadership.

7 posted on 10/01/2013 6:01:53 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

John isn’t dead, he feels happy.....

Monty Python reference.


8 posted on 10/01/2013 6:02:10 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG
lol!

"He's just resting..."

9 posted on 10/01/2013 6:04:47 PM PDT by smvoice (The 2 greatest days of your life: the day you're born. And the day you discover why.)
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To: Colofornian

You gotta think he would stand out in a crowd if that was true.


10 posted on 10/01/2013 6:15:16 PM PDT by kempster
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To: Colofornian
Maybe it was a word choice glitch.

It should read John was not "martyred."

11 posted on 10/01/2013 6:24:16 PM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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Maybe it was a word choice glitch. It should read John was not "martyred."

Nope. If you go to the Lds add-on "scriptures" -- what they call "Doctrines & Covenants"... you'll find their intro to Section 7 clearly focuses on whether John died:

Section 7
Revelation given to Joseph Smith the Prophet and Oliver Cowdery, at Harmony, Pennsylvania, April 1829, when they inquired through the Urim and Thummim as to whether John, the beloved disciple, tarried in the flesh or had died.

Source: D&C 7

12 posted on 10/01/2013 6:29:58 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Slyfox; All
Also...this then was already a common "theme" of Joseph Smith from the foundation of Mormonism...even including it in his fledgling cultic efforts in the Book of Mormon...this time being the "no death" theme applying to Book of Mormon "Nephite" disciples:

6 And he said unto them: Behold, I know your thoughts, and ye have desired the thing which John, my beloved, who was with me in my ministry, before that I was lifted up by the Jews, desired of me. 7 Therefore, more blessed are ye, for ye shall never taste of death; but ye shall live to behold all the doings of the Father unto the children of men, even until all things shall be fulfilled according to the will of the Father, when I shall come in my glory with the powers of heaven. (3 Nephi 28:6-7, Book of Mormon)

So not only does the official Mormon church teach that the apostle John's been "hangin' 'round" all these centuries, but that he could have been "linkin' up" with these Book of Mormon times Nephite entourage!

With all of these "No Coffin Zone" Mormons on the loose, at large, wonder why Joey Smith ever illusioned that he was somehow necessary as a 14-yo pimple-faced kid to jumpstart "the only true and living church on the face of the earth" (Lds "scriptures" -- D&C 1:30)????

13 posted on 10/01/2013 6:37:30 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: reaganaut; All
I had a Mormon tell me that John lost the priesthood because he was “not worthy”. @.@

Oh sure. John was "worthy enough" to be granted the Mormon version of the "Fountain of youth" ... but not "worthy enough" to hold something that Mormon women are now clamoring for ...

What do you think of those Mormon women who are going to stand in line for the Mormon priesthood meeting in Salt Lake City at the General Conference this weekend...a "male only" enterprise???

14 posted on 10/01/2013 6:40:14 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

//What do you think of those Mormon women who are going to stand in line for the Mormon priesthood meeting in Salt Lake City at the General Conference this weekend...a “male only” enterprise???//

I totally support it. I thought about flying out to SLC to join them.

Women in Mormonism are second class citizens treated just as badly as Muslim women, excepting the burka. Yes, I examples to illustrate that. These women, are standing up to ATTEND A MEETING, this shouldn’t be a huge deal, but like the wear pants to church thing last year, it is freaking out the Mormon men.

As a Christian, I hold the same authority to act in the name of Christ as my husband or any other believer. Christians believe in equal rights, Mormons do not.


15 posted on 10/01/2013 7:04:08 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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To: reaganaut
Christians believe in equal rights, Mormons do not.

We are TOO equal!!

--MormonDude(just different...)

16 posted on 10/01/2013 7:58:01 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian

To the headline: OMG!


17 posted on 10/01/2013 8:17:44 PM PDT by svcw (obama lied my plan died)
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To: kempster

Obviously you haven’t walked around downtown in a major city. A guy in full Roman garb would not be out of place with all of todays freaks...


18 posted on 10/02/2013 4:11:33 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Colofornian
PROBABLY?

Surely by NOW they'd have this nailed DOWN!

19 posted on 10/02/2013 4:22:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
The latter-day scriptures clarify that John did not die but was allowed to remain on the earth as a ministering servant until the time of the Lord’s second coming (John 21:20–23; 3 Ne. 28:6–7; D&C 7).

See related thread:
So what’s your experience with the Three Nephites?

20 posted on 10/02/2013 5:15:41 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: Colofornian; reaganaut
I saw a Mormon Web article recently which said that official Mormondom used to blame the "universal apostasy" on the early Christian leaders...but that the Mormon narrative had changed over more to blaming the Christian grassroots. The current Mormon missionary lesson indeed blames the Christians-at-large back then -- not the leadership.

Ten years ago, a Mormon FReeper had claimed that the term "Christian" came into use after the apostasy had occurred. That places the falling away as occurring during the Acts Of The Apostles (specifically prior to Acts 11:26), since that is where the Bible records Jesus' followers were "first called Christians". If that is true, then the apostasy began less than eight years after Christ's ascension, the LDS' Melchizidek Priesthood was stripped away from the Apostles themselves for the majority of their ministry, and most (if not all) of the New Testament, which was written by the Apostles, was written during their apostasy from Jesus Christ.

21 posted on 10/02/2013 5:28:04 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: Alex Murphy

The Mormons I know disdain the teachings of the Apostle Paul, and many doubt that he was actually an Apostle since he never followed Jesus while Jesus was alive on earth, and that by the time Saul became Paul, the apostasy had already occured.


22 posted on 10/02/2013 5:35:13 AM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: Colofornian

yeah they are all getting their own planet when they do croak too


23 posted on 10/02/2013 6:19:15 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: reaganaut

Women in Mormonism are second class citizens treated just as badly as Muslim women, excepting the burka.

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You’ll have to point me to the articles wherein honor killings of Mormon women are printed. I’ve not encountered them.


24 posted on 10/02/2013 6:52:21 AM PDT by dmz
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Under the Banner of Heaven
25 posted on 10/02/2013 8:33:42 AM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: colorcountry

Again, point me to the honor killing section. Nothing at your link suggests honor killing.


26 posted on 10/02/2013 10:43:19 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Alex Murphy

I love 3 nephite stories. All my friends raised LDS had at least one in their families. Us converts weren’t so lucky.


27 posted on 10/02/2013 11:01:58 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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To: dmz
Google search of Under the Banner of Heaven Honor Killing
28 posted on 10/02/2013 11:12:38 AM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: colorcountry

no surprise there


29 posted on 10/02/2013 11:16:59 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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To: dmz

They shun, but they are still treated like chattel. Women are totally subservient to the men.


30 posted on 10/02/2013 11:17:36 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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To: colorcountry

BINGO


31 posted on 10/02/2013 11:17:50 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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They shun, but they are still treated like chattel. Women are totally subservient to the men.

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Which is a very different statement than your original which suggested that the Mormons women are “treated just as badly as Muslim women”.


32 posted on 10/02/2013 11:29:09 AM PDT by dmz
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Not really. They are treated as badly and as the link CC posted, there have been honor killings in Mormonism. Read the Book.

Women are condemned to wait outside while their husbands are made apostles, women are told how to dress, act, think, and are subservient to their 12 yr old priesthood holding sons.

You haven’t been a Mormon woman, you don’t know the oppression.


33 posted on 10/02/2013 11:43:36 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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Bingo back atcha!


34 posted on 10/02/2013 11:45:15 AM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: reaganaut

You haven’t been a Mormon woman, you don’t know the oppression.

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Well, you sure got me on that one.

How long were you a Muslim woman? You must have been one given your statement above.


35 posted on 10/02/2013 12:57:57 PM PDT by dmz
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You haven’t been a Mormon woman, you don’t know the oppression. [Reaganaut]

Well...we can readily trace what Mormon leaders have said about women & marriage:

19th century Mormon men reduced marriage to a "breeding" mentality: At a stake conference, LDS leader Cannon of the First Presidency [Mormonism's HIGHEST hiearchy] said:
The people of the world do not believe in breeding, but we do. So the people of the world will die out and we will fill the whole earth. I admit those raising children by plural wives are not complying with man-made laws, but in the sight of God they are not sinning, as there is no sin in it. (George Q. Cannon, Sanpete Stake conference, Sept., 1899. Smoot Investigation, Vol. 1, p. 9.) [BTW, fLDS still cite this LDS source]

Reducing wives to “one of the cows” is long-term Mormon male tradition!

“I think no more of taking another wife than I do of buying a cow, and if you want to build up the kingdom you must take more wives.” (Lds “apostle” Heber C. Kimball, quoted in Jennie Anderson Froiseth, ed., The Women of Mormonism: or the Story of Polygamy As Told by the Victims Themselves, 1886; see Abanes, One Nation Under Gods, p. 295)

Kimball had about 45 wives...and was one of the TOP THREE hierarchists in the Mormon church -- a "counselor" in "the First Presidency" with Brigham Young.

36 posted on 10/02/2013 1:11:25 PM PDT by Colofornian
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