Skip to comments.ELCA Repents for Holding Biblical View
Posted on 10/02/2013 2:40:58 AM PDT by rhema
Last week the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America installed Rev. Guy Erwin as Bishop of the Southwest California Synod. Rev. Erwin is the first practicing homosexual to be a bishop in the ELCA. The ELCA's Living Lutheran website reported that there were at least 10 ELCA bishops in attendance. (see here) Presiding Bishop Mark S. Hanson, the highest ranking ELCA leader, delivered the sermon at the installation. Bishop Hanson's sermon made it clear that there is no more debate in the denomination about whether homosexuality is sinful or godly. He then proclaimed the ELCA's repentance for once holding the Biblical position that homosexuality is sinful.
Below are some quotes and my thoughts from the ELCA leader's sermon.
I think I hear the hoof beats of the Four Horsemen.
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There's no longer debate if queers are sinful or Godly?
If any of you freepers are Lutheran, I REALLY want to hear from you, you betch'a
2 Timothy 3:1-9
But know this, that in the last days grievous times will be upon us.
For men will be lovers of themselves, money-lovers, braggarts, arrogant, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural feeling, unyielding, slanderers, without self-control, savage, haters of good,
betrayers, reckless, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of Yahweh, having a form of righteousness, but denying the power of it; even turn away from these. For of these are those creeping into houses and leading silly women captive, the ones having been heaped with sins, being led away by various lusts, always learning, but never being able to come to a full knowledge of the truth. But in the way Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so also these withstand the truth, men having been corrupted in mind, found worthless concerning the faith. But they will not go further, for their foolishness will be plain to all, as also that of those became.
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter
Acquitting the guilty and condemning the innocent— the LORD detests them both
These people can call themselves whatever they want. It’s clear they are simply immoral pagans.
There are still many Lutherans in America that hold true to Biblical fundamentals, and would easily fall into the ‘extreme’ category by most of mainstream reformed synods. The WELS and the CLC come to mind.
There seems to be a simple fact that all the different liberal theologians forget; its not up to them.
The ELCA was already heading for a cliff, what with the gradual natural attrition of gullible old folks with assets the "shepherds" can fleece, and Mark Hanson's heresy is just a bit more pressure on the gas pedal. There's going to be a lot of run-down buildings and sites available in a buyer's market.
Another reason we left the ELCA church. Bad policy there.
What is all the excitement about??
This faggot bishop has just stated what ELCA based their decision on when they allowed Homosexual in the leadership.
What does anyone expect a faggot to say? Of course he believes this way and anyone who stays in his Church believes the same way.
They may as well toss the Bible out the window and no longer read it, because if they do not believe part of it they do not believe any of it.
* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.
Be rooted in Christ!
Practicing? How much practice does he need? Are there special techniques known only to initiates? If he hasn’t mastered the material perhaps they’ve chosen the wrong shepherd.
there. Fixed it for you. If they are not Christian, and any church accepting homosexuality is not Christian, then they are not Protestant either.
“There are still many Lutherans in America that hold true to Biblical fundamentals, and would easily fall into the extreme category by most of mainstream reformed synods. The WELS and the CLC come to mind.”
The Missouri Synod is quite conservative, also.
I grew up in an ELCA’S church and have seen the steady march to hell over the years by listening to my parents talk about the policy changes. It is sad to see them holding on to their membership and actually buying in to what the church says about homosexuality, etc...
Pray they will come out of it while there is still time..
aaah, the bible alone is all we need according to some....and see what it gets you when you use the bible alone.....
Was ELCA, but now Missouri synod after this debacle.
Yeah, the authority of the Pope sure has kept all nominal Catholics in line. When pro-abortion politicians are made to answer by the Magisterium for their sponsorship of infanticide, get back to us.
Well, at least now I know for absolute sure I cannot go to an ELCA.
Thankfully I do have a few LCMS nearby. Our own small rented church is becoming “modern” though, and I cannot take it anymore. Pastor is nice but far too informal, plays guitar. Congregation is very nice and diverse. But the music-concert stuff has gotten on my last nerve, so we are going to try another not far, which at least has an actual traditional building. But at least I think they all hold against homos.
Sadly, if the Magisterium endorsed homosexuality, many Catholics would follow along.
hey, we are not talking catholic, we are talking sola scriptura striking again....and this isnt the only time this has occured...
when you put yourself on par with the bible and use personal interpretation, you can come up with anything to justify abborent lifestyles....
aaaah, the joy of the reformation, splintering the body of christ continuously into itty bitty bible alone kingdoms, all fighting with each other as to who is wrong and right about salvation....
Once Christianity decided to change one of God’s commandments it was only a matter of time until they abandoned everything....
And yet, there you have this story, amongst many lutheran churches with similar issues...
by the way mr lucky, i was perusing my bible and couldnt find the Book of Concord anywhere in there......since scripture alone is all that is supposed to be used.....
The point of most posters on this thread is that the ELCA is no longer Lutheran, precisely because Lutheran doctrine is unmistakable on the sanctity of life. Just as, presumably, you know that Nancy Pelosi’s faith is not Catholic for the same reason.
sure, but nancy isnt making decisions effecting a church, whereas this bible alone lutheran is making decisions. based on his personal interpretation of the bible,since he is guided by the holy spirit, etc that effect the entire congregation....
I have a fine grasp of it, especially of it in action, over the last five hundred years of splintered christianity and one of the great things about it is that you can also make sola scriptura mean anything to cover up the obvious mistakes it has caused....and wikipedia? seriously?
About two weeks ago, I emailed ELCA Presiding Bishop-elect Eaton, and I asked for her opinion about the 2009 decision that allows the ELCA to ordain gays. I said, “I think that Christian churches should follow teachings of the Bible. If the Bible says that homosexuality is a sin, we shouldn’t have gay pastors. If the Bible says that God approves of homosexuality, we should have gay pastors.” I didn’t get a response.
Missouri Synod ping....
ELCA isn’t dead yet?
Well, it’s not for lack of effort.
You statement showed too much discernment and logic for her to understand.
Is there anyone sane still left in ELCA?
I think insanity is a requirement to be a member of the ELCA, the PCUSA, the UCC, the Episcopagans, etc.
Post 2009, at least.:)
Lutheran, but left the ELCA. Now in a Lutheran Church affiliated with the North American Lutheran Church and the Lutheran Church Missions for Christ. NALC and LCMC. My congregation left a rather large ELCA Church because of this vote they had a few years back.