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ELCA Repents for Holding Biblical View
Exposing the ELCA ^ | 9/30/13 | Dan Skogen

Posted on 10/02/2013 2:40:58 AM PDT by rhema

Last week the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America installed Rev. Guy Erwin as Bishop of the Southwest California Synod. Rev. Erwin is the first practicing homosexual to be a bishop in the ELCA. The ELCA's Living Lutheran website reported that there were at least 10 ELCA bishops in attendance. (see here) Presiding Bishop Mark S. Hanson, the highest ranking ELCA leader, delivered the sermon at the installation. Bishop Hanson's sermon made it clear that there is no more debate in the denomination about whether homosexuality is sinful or godly. He then proclaimed the ELCA's repentance for once holding the Biblical position that homosexuality is sinful.

Below are some quotes and my thoughts from the ELCA leader's sermon.


TOPICS: Apologetics; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: apostasy; elca; homosexualagenda; homosexualbishop; lutheran; markhanson; religiousleft

1 posted on 10/02/2013 2:40:58 AM PDT by rhema
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To: lightman; SmithL; Honorary Serb
Presiding Bishop Hanson's sermon makes it clear, if it wasn't already, that the Biblical position on homosexuality will not be allowed, respected or tolerated anymore. It is full speed ahead and every ELCA entity will be (has been) pushing, justifying and indoctrinating its membership into their worldly view on homosexuality.
2 posted on 10/02/2013 2:42:40 AM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema

I think I hear the hoof beats of the Four Horsemen.


3 posted on 10/02/2013 2:46:31 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: rhema; alphadog; infool7; Heart-Rest; HoosierDammit; red irish; fastrock; NorthernCrunchyCon; ...
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4 posted on 10/02/2013 2:50:46 AM PDT by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: rhema
"Bishop Hanson's sermon made it clear that there is no more debate in the denomination about .. "gorebull warming and guns kill people and SUV's kill people and (I just read) wood burning stoves kill people and ...


There's no longer debate if queers are sinful or Godly?


If any of you freepers are Lutheran, I REALLY want to hear from you, you betch'a

5 posted on 10/02/2013 2:51:08 AM PDT by knarf (ack of your time and BILL 'em. say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Pontiac

2 Timothy 3:1-9
 But know this, that in the last days grievous times will be upon us.
 For men will be lovers of themselves, money-lovers, braggarts, arrogant, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,  without natural feeling, unyielding, slanderers, without self-control, savage, haters of good,
 betrayers, reckless, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of Yahweh,  having a form of righteousness, but denying the power of it; even turn away from these.  For of these are those creeping into houses and leading silly women captive, the ones having been heaped with sins, being led away by various lusts,  always learning, but never being able to come to a full knowledge of the truth.  But in the way Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so also these withstand the truth, men having been corrupted in mind, found worthless concerning the faith. But they will not go further, for their foolishness will be plain to all, as also that of those became.

Isaiah 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter

Proverbs 17:15
Acquitting the guilty and condemning the innocent— the LORD detests them both


6 posted on 10/02/2013 3:10:14 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: knarf

These people can call themselves whatever they want. It’s clear they are simply immoral pagans.

There are still many Lutherans in America that hold true to Biblical fundamentals, and would easily fall into the ‘extreme’ category by most of mainstream reformed synods. The WELS and the CLC come to mind.


7 posted on 10/02/2013 3:13:30 AM PDT by ggrrrrr23456
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To: rhema

There seems to be a simple fact that all the different liberal theologians forget; its not up to them.


8 posted on 10/02/2013 4:27:23 AM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: rhema

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9 posted on 10/02/2013 4:29:44 AM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: rhema
The ELCA-affiliated Lutheran church I was confirmed in began to drift leftward beginning in the 1960's, and now has a rather large building which is utilized by fewer and fewer people. Lots of "diversity," earth stewardship" and even "interpretive dance," but little Biblical teaching (it isn't even Jesus Lite anymore according to those who have recently left the place).

The ELCA was already heading for a cliff, what with the gradual natural attrition of gullible old folks with assets the "shepherds" can fleece, and Mark Hanson's heresy is just a bit more pressure on the gas pedal. There's going to be a lot of run-down buildings and sites available in a buyer's market.

Mr. niteowl77

10 posted on 10/02/2013 4:46:59 AM PDT by niteowl77 ("There's nothing a vulture hates more than biting into a glass eye.")
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To: niteowl77

Another reason we left the ELCA church. Bad policy there.


11 posted on 10/02/2013 4:56:01 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: rhema

What is all the excitement about??

This faggot bishop has just stated what ELCA based their decision on when they allowed Homosexual in the leadership.

What does anyone expect a faggot to say? Of course he believes this way and anyone who stays in his Church believes the same way.

They may as well toss the Bible out the window and no longer read it, because if they do not believe part of it they do not believe any of it.


12 posted on 10/02/2013 5:05:21 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: aberaussie; Aeronaut; aliquando; AlternateViewpoint; AnalogReigns; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...


Lutheran (EL C S*A) Ping!

* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.

Be rooted in Christ!

13 posted on 10/02/2013 5:20:31 AM PDT by lightman (Prosecute the heresies; pity the heretics.)
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To: rhema

Practicing? How much practice does he need? Are there special techniques known only to initiates? If he hasn’t mastered the material perhaps they’ve chosen the wrong shepherd.


14 posted on 10/02/2013 5:25:38 AM PDT by skepsel (creative spelling and punctuation and run on sentences a specialty)
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To: lightman
* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant anti-Christian SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH

there. Fixed it for you. If they are not Christian, and any church accepting homosexuality is not Christian, then they are not Protestant either.

15 posted on 10/02/2013 5:28:24 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: ggrrrrr23456

“There are still many Lutherans in America that hold true to Biblical fundamentals, and would easily fall into the ‘extreme’ category by most of mainstream reformed synods. The WELS and the CLC come to mind.”

The Missouri Synod is quite conservative, also.

I grew up in an ELCA’S church and have seen the steady march to hell over the years by listening to my parents talk about the policy changes. It is sad to see them holding on to their membership and actually buying in to what the church says about homosexuality, etc...


16 posted on 10/02/2013 6:11:08 AM PDT by MNGal
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To: MNGal

Pray they will come out of it while there is still time..


17 posted on 10/02/2013 6:12:17 AM PDT by smvoice (The 2 greatest days of your life: the day you're born. And the day you discover why.)
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aaah, the bible alone is all we need according to some....and see what it gets you when you use the bible alone.....


18 posted on 10/02/2013 6:14:49 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: knarf

Was ELCA, but now Missouri synod after this debacle.


19 posted on 10/02/2013 6:27:35 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: raygunfan

Yeah, the authority of the Pope sure has kept all nominal Catholics in line. When pro-abortion politicians are made to answer by the Magisterium for their sponsorship of infanticide, get back to us.


20 posted on 10/02/2013 6:58:28 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: rhema

Well, at least now I know for absolute sure I cannot go to an ELCA.

Thankfully I do have a few LCMS nearby. Our own small rented church is becoming “modern” though, and I cannot take it anymore. Pastor is nice but far too informal, plays guitar. Congregation is very nice and diverse. But the music-concert stuff has gotten on my last nerve, so we are going to try another not far, which at least has an actual traditional building. But at least I think they all hold against homos.


21 posted on 10/02/2013 7:13:35 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Mr. Lucky

Sadly, if the Magisterium endorsed homosexuality, many Catholics would follow along.


22 posted on 10/02/2013 7:39:56 AM PDT by xone
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To: Mr. Lucky

hey, we are not talking catholic, we are talking sola scriptura striking again....and this isnt the only time this has occured...

when you put yourself on par with the bible and use personal interpretation, you can come up with anything to justify abborent lifestyles....

aaaah, the joy of the reformation, splintering the body of christ continuously into itty bitty bible alone kingdoms, all fighting with each other as to who is wrong and right about salvation....


23 posted on 10/02/2013 8:15:39 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: rhema

Once Christianity decided to change one of God’s commandments it was only a matter of time until they abandoned everything....


24 posted on 10/02/2013 8:17:26 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: raygunfan
If you knew more about Lutheranism, you would know that it is a confessional faith. Lutheran Doctrine is contained in the Book of Concord and isn't subject to change at the whim of any earthly hierarchy.
25 posted on 10/02/2013 8:24:26 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

And yet, there you have this story, amongst many lutheran churches with similar issues...


26 posted on 10/02/2013 8:29:36 AM PDT by raygunfan
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by the way mr lucky, i was perusing my bible and couldnt find the Book of Concord anywhere in there......since scripture alone is all that is supposed to be used.....


27 posted on 10/02/2013 8:31:07 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: raygunfan

The point of most posters on this thread is that the ELCA is no longer Lutheran, precisely because Lutheran doctrine is unmistakable on the sanctity of life. Just as, presumably, you know that Nancy Pelosi’s faith is not Catholic for the same reason.


28 posted on 10/02/2013 8:35:14 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

sure, but nancy isnt making decisions effecting a church, whereas this bible alone lutheran is making decisions. based on his personal interpretation of the bible,since he is guided by the holy spirit, etc that effect the entire congregation....


29 posted on 10/02/2013 8:37:22 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: raygunfan
You really don't have a very good grasp of the meaning of the term of Sola Scriptura. If you are interested, you might want to look it on, say, Wikipedia, and we could discuss it further.
30 posted on 10/02/2013 8:44:13 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

I have a fine grasp of it, especially of it in action, over the last five hundred years of splintered christianity and one of the great things about it is that you can also make sola scriptura mean anything to cover up the obvious mistakes it has caused....and wikipedia? seriously?


31 posted on 10/02/2013 8:57:41 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: raygunfan

I see.


32 posted on 10/02/2013 9:00:44 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: raygunfan; lightman

About two weeks ago, I emailed ELCA Presiding Bishop-elect Eaton, and I asked for her opinion about the 2009 decision that allows the ELCA to ordain gays. I said, “I think that Christian churches should follow teachings of the Bible. If the Bible says that homosexuality is a sin, we shouldn’t have gay pastors. If the Bible says that God approves of homosexuality, we should have gay pastors.” I didn’t get a response.


33 posted on 10/02/2013 9:21:00 AM PDT by PhilCollins
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To: MNGal; stylecouncilor

Missouri Synod ping....

Thanks, MNGal.


34 posted on 10/02/2013 9:57:27 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: rhema

ELCA isn’t dead yet?
Well, it’s not for lack of effort.


35 posted on 10/02/2013 9:58:42 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: PhilCollins

You statement showed too much discernment and logic for her to understand.


36 posted on 10/02/2013 9:17:18 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: rhema

Is there anyone sane still left in ELCA?


37 posted on 10/04/2013 10:08:11 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

I think insanity is a requirement to be a member of the ELCA, the PCUSA, the UCC, the Episcopagans, etc.


38 posted on 10/05/2013 6:46:20 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

Post 2009, at least.:)


39 posted on 10/05/2013 7:37:26 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper
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To: knarf

Lutheran, but left the ELCA. Now in a Lutheran Church affiliated with the North American Lutheran Church and the Lutheran Church Missions for Christ. NALC and LCMC. My congregation left a rather large ELCA Church because of this vote they had a few years back.


40 posted on 10/06/2013 9:25:11 PM PDT by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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