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I have watched Pope Francis these past months and I have been bothered by a number of his proclamations. This writer reflects some of my concern.
1 posted on 10/02/2013 1:14:47 PM PDT by Obadiah
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To: Obadiah

I’m with you...


2 posted on 10/02/2013 1:16:14 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Obadiah

He is a public heretic. Public heretics can not be popes.

Sede Vacante.


3 posted on 10/02/2013 1:21:16 PM PDT by piusv
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To: Obadiah
He's a progressive.

That's very clear from his statements.

4 posted on 10/02/2013 1:22:51 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Obadiah; pgkdan; markomalley
I have watched Pope Francis these past months and I have been bothered by a number of his proclamations. This writer reflects some of my concern.

The writer is commenting on an English translation of an article in a radical left wing Italian newspaper, between Pope Francis and an atheist journalist. Let's begin with the translation, which is riddled with errors. For example:

Italian: Il Figlio di Dio si è incarnato per infondere nell’anima degli uomini il sentimento della fratellanza….

Eng. Translation: “The Son of God became incarnate in the souls of men to instill the feeling of brotherhood”,

Proper Translation: The Son of God was incarnate in order to instill in the soul of men the feeling of brotherhood.

WDTPRS: What Did The Pope Really Say? 1 – UPDATES

7 posted on 10/02/2013 1:27:12 PM PDT by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: Obadiah
Southern Baptist giving the Pope the benefit of the doubt...

I don't think he is saying that there isn't absolute good and evil. He's saying that everyone's compass doesn't measure the same.

You see it in the New Testament. Some were offended by eating meat that had been offered to idols. Other knew the idols weren't real and that meat was meat.

You see it today among denominations. Some feel drinking is a sin. Others recognize drinking in moderation is okay.

And in some cases there are ligitimate differences in conscience that do not arise differences in understanding scripture.

What may be okay for one person is not for another because God has told that person not to do something. And the inverse could be true to. God could have commanded someone to do something, so it's a sin if they don't do it, but God didn't command that same thing of others.

8 posted on 10/02/2013 1:27:49 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Obadiah

Part of the problem with this interview is poor translation from Italian to English.

See this thread where Fr. Z. clears some of this up:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3073621/posts?


9 posted on 10/02/2013 1:27:50 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Obadiah; metmom; WVKayaker; smvoice; Elsie; CynicalBear; BlueDragon; boatbums; MHGinTN

“Some of my colleagues who know you told me that you will try to convert me,” the Pope also said “Proselytism is solemn nonsense, it makes no sense. We need to get to know each other, listen to each other and improve our knowledge of the world around us.”

And this is exactly what sets apart a Spirit-filled Christian from a professing Christian. We are called to go and make disciples of men and that means evangelize and proclaim the Gospel to all who don’t know Him and even to those professing they know Him.

You cannot serve two masters. You either believe Jesus and His word or you try and please everyone in the world. Sounds like that is what this pope is doing...appeasing and pleasing everyone but Christ.


17 posted on 10/02/2013 2:16:18 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: Obadiah
The Pope's Interview
24 posted on 10/02/2013 2:35:39 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Obadiah

He is right! Without Torah there is no actual definition of right and wrong. The church and nearly all of Western civilization has decided that somehow Yeshua who was, is and will always be the Torah, did away with the Torah; himself!? Wow.

The complete collapse of law, since there is no absolute law which leads to there being no supreme law; which leads to everyone deciding what is _good_ on their own terms; leading to the recent and accelerating, decent of mankind.


27 posted on 10/02/2013 2:58:20 PM PDT by veracious
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To: Obadiah

Can’t help but ask myself “What the heck is this Pope smoking?”


30 posted on 10/02/2013 4:03:55 PM PDT by miserare (Fire Eric Holder!)
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To: Obadiah

And who is Rachel Moore or Obadian to judge? Are you the next Popes?


33 posted on 10/02/2013 5:00:01 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Obadiah; All
If anyone is hung up on the phraseology "everyone has their own idea of good and bad" remember two points:

One, that's translated from Italian to English. I'm sorry, but that's just a fact; it's also a fact the old cliche is true: things get lost in translation.

With that in mind, it's been Catholic teaching for ages that everyone is born with a conscience, with the law on their hearts (cf CCC 1954). This is everyone, atheists included. This fact is undoubtedly to what the Holy Father was referring. That is, he was clearly saying, "everyone has the ability to know what is basically good and basically bad. If everyone just followed this ability, the world would already be a better place"

Is he a bit "loose" with his words? Does he use terms in a non conventional way? Perhaps. And maybe that is a bad thing if all it does is cause confusion and scandal. I can see that and acknowledge that's a valid concern. I'm not saying that we shouldn't care at all about him being more precise. He is the Pope after all. Perhaps he should take more care.

However, how do I "know" this is what he was saying (what I wrote above)? Because he speaks a lot like we do in Communion and Liberation, an ecclesiastical lay movement in the Church, and you can rest assured, CL is not heterodox in any way. It's just another way of speaking. It's not formal in any way. But that's the point, as ours is a movement of true evangelization, going out into the world and meeting the people at their level, speaking about real things and real needs, not theological ideas and abstract concepts.

That's what real evangelism is anyway.

45 posted on 10/03/2013 5:41:01 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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