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Pope calls synod to discuss families, divorce and remarriage
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1304231.htm ^

Posted on 10/08/2013 9:16:03 AM PDT by fatima

The pope had told reporters accompanying him on his plane back from Rio de Janeiro in July that the next synod would explore a "somewhat deeper pastoral care of marriage," including the question of the eligibility of divorced and remarried Catholics to receive Communion.

Pope Francis added at the time that church law governing marriage annulments also "has to be reviewed, because ecclesiastical tribunals are not sufficient for this. It is complex, the problem of the pastoral care of marriage."

Such problems, he said, exemplified a general need for forgiveness in the church today.

"The church is a mother, and she must travel this path of mercy, and find a form of mercy for all," the pope said. More at link.


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1 posted on 10/08/2013 9:16:03 AM PDT by fatima
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To: fatima

uh-oh.


2 posted on 10/08/2013 9:27:58 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

You read my mind.


3 posted on 10/08/2013 9:29:46 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; Arthur McGowan

This should be interesting.


4 posted on 10/08/2013 9:31:26 AM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: fatima
Pope Francis added at the time that church law governing marriage annulments also "has to be reviewed, because ecclesiastical tribunals are not sufficient for this. It is complex, the problem of the pastoral care of marriage." Such problems, he said, exemplified a general need for forgiveness in the church today.

Ping for later

5 posted on 10/08/2013 9:57:46 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: fatima

There’s a word for what I experienced when I saw the headline: clung, or possibly klung. It’s when all the fecal matter in your body runs straight to your heart.


6 posted on 10/08/2013 10:03:21 AM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: fatima

What’s the big deal? There is a process of annulment, follow it and see what happens. I am about to embark on an annulment. Time will tell I suppose..


7 posted on 10/08/2013 10:09:52 AM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: Ghost of SVR4

“What’s the big deal? There is a process of annulment, follow it and see what happens.”

I think that’s the point. The article says that various dioceses have started interpreting things their own way and issuing guidance that may differ from other dioceses; Pope Francis believes there is a need to discuss and clarify all these matters.


8 posted on 10/08/2013 11:00:02 AM PDT by GIdget2004
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To: Ghost of SVR4

I do think the Church could be doing a much better job of supporting marriage to try and head off the need for so many annulments and divorces. If you start looking for help with your marriage within the Church it’s not always easy to find. Nor are celibate priests always comfortable with those issues.


9 posted on 10/08/2013 11:13:22 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: GIdget2004; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; metmom
I think that’s the point. The article says that various dioceses have started interpreting things their own way and issuing guidance that may differ from other dioceses; Pope Francis believes there is a need to discuss and clarify all these matters.

NEWS FLASH: 40,000 Roman Catholic Dioceses Interpret Things Their Own Way!

10 posted on 10/08/2013 11:26:55 AM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: Gamecock; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; CynicalBear; ...
NEWS FLASH: 40,000 Roman Catholic Dioceses Interpret Things Their Own Way!

Your own personal interpretation of the Catechism of the Catholic church.

YOPIOCCC

11 posted on 10/08/2013 12:04:46 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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To: Gamecock

What a joke. A bunch of celibate men telling married couples how to have a good marriage and good family.


12 posted on 10/08/2013 12:05:42 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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To: GIdget2004

Ah, my bad...


13 posted on 10/08/2013 12:08:20 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Unfortunately it sometimes cannot be helped.


14 posted on 10/08/2013 12:09:04 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: metmom

Yeah, but it’s not about faith and morals…………..oh wait.


15 posted on 10/08/2013 12:19:59 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: metmom; Gamecock
Not since Dr. Benjamin Spock became a fatherless guru on how to raise kids have I been so impressed.

not

16 posted on 10/08/2013 12:20:15 PM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: metmom
YOPIOCCC

LOL! That ranks right up there with "WWMTJTD"!!

17 posted on 10/08/2013 12:22:14 PM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: metmom

My husband has never been pregnant, yet when I was pregnant he was pretty good at reminding me of the big picture, the precious life I was carrying, when I was deep into the physical discomfort and impatience. I’ll bet there are some priests whose respect for the big picture of marriage, which they cannot themselves participate in, is just what some couples might need in a moment of despair.


18 posted on 10/08/2013 1:00:18 PM PDT by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: married21

Single people always have the answers.

Just like childless couples know how to raise kids.

Sorry, nobody who isn’t married has any business telling married couples how to do marriage. You cannot understand it until you’ve been there.


19 posted on 10/08/2013 1:12:16 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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To: metmom
A bunch of celibate men

Like Jesus? Like St. John?

20 posted on 10/08/2013 1:28:03 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Campion
Like Jesus? Like St. John?

And Paul, while 1Cor. 9:5 may indicate the other apostles were married, while they certainly had the freedom to be so.

21 posted on 10/08/2013 1:34:22 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Campion

Jesus, who knew everything?

St. John was celibate? Who knew? Got some evidence of that?


22 posted on 10/08/2013 1:35:18 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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To: metmom
What a joke. A bunch of celibate men telling married couples how to have a good marriage and good family.
No joke at all. Do you know anyone who has trouble with their marriage? Whom did they seek to help them out? Did it work well? How much did they pay? And are they still lovingly together?

We know two very holy priests who come from strong Catholic families [lots of married siblings too], whose parents are very-much still together, and always will be. Priests that come from such backgrounds know ALL about what it takes to make a marriage work. And they don't charge the couples they help. And probably don't watch their watches for twenty minutes straight [toward the end of the hour] either...
23 posted on 10/08/2013 1:35:44 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: mlizzy; Campion
1 Timothy 3:1-13 The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church? He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.

Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy for dishonest gain. They must hold the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. And let them also be tested first; then let them serve as deacons if they prove themselves blameless. Their wives likewise must be dignified, not slanderers, but sober-minded, faithful in all things. Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well. For those who serve well as deacons gain a good standing for themselves and also great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus.

24 posted on 10/08/2013 1:41:14 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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To: Alex Murphy
Pope Francis added at the time that church law governing marriage annulments also "has to be reviewed, because ecclesiastical tribunals are not sufficient for this.

The broad criteria for annulments (find one in Scripture) and judgments involved certainly is a problem: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2891087/posts?page=248#248

Says a SV site: 68% of annulments today [dated] are granted because of "defective consent," which involves at least one of the parties not having sufficient knowledge or maturity to know what was involved in marriage. The ingenuity of judges in confidently asserting that such knowledge or maturity was lacking is amazing. Vasoli says that it is done by substituting "junk psychology" for sound psychology and psychiatry. He quotes the statement of one matrimonial judge: "There is no marriage which, given a little time for investigation, we cannot declare invalid." (www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/28_Annulments.pdf)

25 posted on 10/08/2013 1:42:34 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

There’s only One Truth...(?)


26 posted on 10/08/2013 1:46:05 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: married21
I’ll bet there are some priests whose respect for the big picture of marriage, which they cannot themselves participate in, is just what some couples might need in a moment of despair.

Philosophically, maybe...

Col_2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

27 posted on 10/08/2013 1:49:56 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Campion
Like Jesus? Like St. John?

Jesus is God...You got some scripture that tells us John was celibate???

28 posted on 10/08/2013 1:52:21 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: metmom

As I recall, Jesus was also celibate.


30 posted on 10/08/2013 1:55:04 PM PDT by CityCenter (The solution to all problems is spiritual.)
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To: mlizzy
Priests that come from such backgrounds know ALL about what it takes to make a marriage work. And they don't charge the couples they help. And probably don't watch their watches for twenty minutes straight [toward the end of the hour] either...

Most of these priest leave home as teenagers for school...I doubt they were much involved in their parents intimate marriage life...

31 posted on 10/08/2013 1:55:33 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: metmom

Now there you spoiling it...Posting what Jesus says about it...


32 posted on 10/08/2013 1:56:45 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: CityCenter
As I recall, Jesus was also celibate.
But who goes to Jesus Christ for help with their marriage anyway? -lol- That's, of course, the problem in a nutshell; they don't! But a good priest will guide them there.
33 posted on 10/08/2013 2:04:35 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: metmom
Elsewhere:

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope Francis, like Islam's Sufi mystic theologians and poets, "is trying to do good for the sake of the Good One, motivated by love and compassion," said the president of the Islamic Affairs Council of Maryland. Mohamad Bashar Arafat, a Syrian who has lived in the United States for more than 20 years, was visiting the Vatican and speaking to groups in Rome in early October as a guest of the U.S. Embassy to the Holy See as part of the U.S. State Department's international speakers program. http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1304226.htmhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3076402/posts

34 posted on 10/08/2013 2:05:02 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: mlizzy

Prayer can accomplish many things. :-)


35 posted on 10/08/2013 2:05:27 PM PDT by CityCenter (The solution to all problems is spiritual.)
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To: metmom

I don’t know what these verses have to do with a priest helping out a married couple with their problems. All holy priests guide ALL peoples to Jesus, and it really is that simple; bring people to Christ, and one’s issues are remedied [regardless of marital status]. That’s what the Sacraments are all about; pure Love.


36 posted on 10/08/2013 2:11:03 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: Iscool
Most of these priest leave home as teenagers for school...I doubt they were much involved in their parents intimate marriage life...
Show me a marriage counselor who is involved in their client's "intimate marriage life," and I'll show you a pig.
37 posted on 10/08/2013 2:15:10 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: CityCenter
Prayer can accomplish many things. :-)
You are right! And no matter what the denomination, color, age, or state of mind, prayer answers a multitude of problems.

Do enough people pray? Evidently not, or we wouldn't be in such a state of disgrace.
38 posted on 10/08/2013 2:19:42 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: mlizzy

Oh, how I agree with you. My husband and I are looking for a new church (long story). One of the things I wanted to see was not the Sunday services, but what went on at and during the weekday meetings. One church we are looking at has about 500 members. Six people showed up for their weekly prayer meeting.

I used to hate going to prayer meetings myself because thay seemed boering and not very “glamorous.” Now I see they are the most essential group of people a church can have.


39 posted on 10/08/2013 2:23:45 PM PDT by CityCenter (The solution to all problems is spiritual.)
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To: CityCenter
Now I see they are the most essential group of people a church can have.
I have mentioned from time to time [I'm a Roman Catholic], that I believe it's the 10-12 little old ladies, that stay after Mass daily [praying the rosary], who are saving the towns [for now, anyway] from total destruction.

What enormous joy would abound if more prayed daily right along with them, from every denomination [reciting their suitable prayers], from every house, home, or vehicle... pray, pray, pray... :)
40 posted on 10/08/2013 2:31:48 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: metmom
Your point being what, exactly?

I repeat, are you saying that Jesus and St. John, both celibate males, have nothing to say to married people? Simple question, can be answered with a "yes" or a "no".

41 posted on 10/08/2013 3:09:01 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Iscool
Most of these priest leave home as teenagers for school

Most priests aren't any more likely than anyone else to "leave home as teenagers for school," since most priests today are ordained after being adults in secular life for awhile.

If you mean they go to college, so do most other clergy, marriage counselors, etc. Try again ...

42 posted on 10/08/2013 3:11:04 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Ghost of SVR4
This is the big deal (which up to this point has not been talked about in this thread..unless I missed it):

The pope had told reporters accompanying him on his plane back from Rio de Janeiro in July that the next synod would explore a "somewhat deeper pastoral care of marriage," including the question of the eligibility of divorced and remarried Catholics to receive Communion.

Church teaching is that those who are divorced and remarried CAN NOT receive communion. Why? Because they are committing adultery without an annulment. To receive the Holy Eucharist in that state would be an act of sacrilege.

If Francis, allows these folks to receive the Eucharist he will be clearly changing doctrine. And would provide a clear-cut example that he is a heretic.

Of course, this may not happen, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did. He already allows politicians in a state of mortal sin to receive the Eucharist and commit sacrilege.

43 posted on 10/08/2013 3:34:33 PM PDT by piusv
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To: Gamecock; GIdget2004; Alex Murphy; metmom
I think that’s the point. The article says that various dioceses have started interpreting things their own way

NEWS FLASH: 40,000 Roman Catholic Dioceses Interpret Things Their Own Way!

LOL!!

44 posted on 10/08/2013 3:41:46 PM PDT by HarleyD (...one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.)
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To: metmom
"Sorry, nobody who isn’t married has any business telling married couples how to do marriage. You cannot understand it until you’ve been there."

Well, don't tell me you're against gay sodomy -- how can you knock if you haven't tried it? And don't try and teach your sons how to be gentleman, seeing as you're not a man. I could go on; your logic in this case is specious.

45 posted on 10/08/2013 3:55:00 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; metmom
Well, don't tell me you're against gay sodomy -- how can you knock if you haven't tried it?

You mean other than God has said it's a sin?

And don't try and teach your sons how to be gentleman, seeing as you're not a man.

You mean that the gender that is most often the recipient of gentlemanly behavior can't teach someone about that behavior?

I could go on; ....

Maybe it's best you quit when you did. :-)

46 posted on 10/08/2013 4:02:02 PM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: Gamecock
"You mean other than God has said it's a sin?"

Yes He did -- but He is also a single man, which apparently means He's not allowed to talk about marriage.

"You mean that the gender that is most often the recipient of gentlemanly behavior can't teach someone about that behavior?"

A lot of single people have to put up with crap from other people's ill-behaved children. Whats your point?

47 posted on 10/08/2013 4:07:05 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

God, the creator of all cannot make laws?
Go, who created man and women, who ordained marriage can not tell us what marriage is?

Your logic is truly dizzying.


48 posted on 10/08/2013 4:12:40 PM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: Gamecock; metmom

Not my logic, metmom’s logic. Jesus was a single man, and I have been informed that single men aren’t qualified to discuss marriage.


49 posted on 10/08/2013 4:16:33 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

No.
That is your illogical conclusion.


50 posted on 10/08/2013 4:38:17 PM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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