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Assuming the Quinnipiac poll is sound, what next? (No women priests or same sex marriage)
Canonlawblog ^ | October 8, 2013 | Edward Peters, JD, JCD, Ref. Sig. Ap.

Posted on 10/08/2013 3:40:26 PM PDT by NYer

I leave it to those trained in such things to assess the reliability of the recent Quinnipiac poll purporting to show American Catholics favoring, roughly 2 to 1, same-sex marriage and women priests. It did not surprise me that the poll indicates greater support for same-sex marriage and women priests among older Catholics, i.e., the generation ‘catechized’ (I use the term loosely) during the worst of the post-Conciliar confusion. But whatever the etiology of such news, I write to suggest that those numbers, if they are even close to correct, portend a true crisis for millions of American Catholics.

That God established marriage to exist between one man and one woman, and that the Church has no power to ordain women to priesthood, both figure on the relatively short list of assertions that the Church teaches with infallible certainty. The Church has never taught anything else in regard to these two points, and she never will teach anything else in their regard. Therefore, millions of American Catholics are in for a shock as they come to learn—as they inevitably will—that what they sincerely view as being possible in the Church (namely, that we might someday recognize same-sex marriage and that we might someday have female priests) is never, ever, ever, going to happen. Many of those Catholics will, Deo gratias, allow the Church to illuminate their hearts and minds on these points; but many others, one fears, will not. The pastoral challenges to be faced in their regard are enormous.

If the Quinnipiac poll is even in the ballpark, it’s time to start thinking those pastoral challenges through.


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1 posted on 10/08/2013 3:40:26 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 10/08/2013 3:40:45 PM PDT by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: NYer
They probably didn't qualify the Catholics:

Catholics who attend Mass every day.

Catholics who attend Mass every Sunday.

Catholics who attend Mass occasionally.

Catholics who claim to be Catholic...

3 posted on 10/08/2013 3:45:05 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Slyfox
indicates greater support for same-sex marriage and women priests among older Catholics

Or, Catholics who are actually Episcopalians. They can have both of those things as Episcopalians. Why not just switch Churches?

4 posted on 10/08/2013 3:49:17 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: NYer

The last names of those polled were Biden, Pelosi, and Kennedy.


5 posted on 10/08/2013 3:49:17 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: NYer

As Pope St. Pius V said, “All the evil in the world is due to lukewarm Catholics.”


6 posted on 10/08/2013 3:58:29 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: NYer

It is of no importance whatsoever what “American Catholics” favor. Americans who profess the Catholic form of Christianity are a tiny, tiny minority of world Catholic Christians.


7 posted on 10/08/2013 4:00:02 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Slyfox

You could click onto the poll and find out that you are wrong.


8 posted on 10/08/2013 4:17:07 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: NYer

If true, then its pathetic state of affairs for the church.


9 posted on 10/08/2013 4:23:48 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: NYer

If you’ve watched Quinnipiac polls in the past, you no doubt realize that they are severly canted in the direction of what they want the world to be. If this was an honest poll, they’d find that the catholics who attend regular mass haven’t changed at all. Homosexuality is wrong. Nothing and nobody can change that. So how can the numbers be changed in favor of it? One possibility is that they talked to people who lied and don’t really believe. They would be the people who lie about attending regular mass. Anyone who follows the rules regularly knows that things did not change. Homosexuality is as wrong as it was in Moses time. It will always be wrong. It doesn’t matter how much people put up with it, it is wrong!


10 posted on 10/08/2013 4:31:34 PM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Slyfox

They did break out between Catholics who attended weekly and those who attended less than weekly. It included 392 Catholics with a margin of error of +/- 5 percentage points.


11 posted on 10/08/2013 5:03:40 PM PDT by rwa265 (Compete well for the faith, lay hold of eternal life (1 Timothy 6))
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To: rwa265

The margin of error for all Catholics is +/-5%, but the margin of error for the sub-groups will be substantially larger, as the sub-groups are smaller. Assuming a one-third/two-thirds split, I’m guessing the margin of error for those attending weekly is at least +/-10%, at which point the numbers are actually pretty close to garbage.


12 posted on 10/08/2013 5:49:21 PM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Slyfox

I think Catholics presume too much about Mass attendance and faithfulness. Our parish priest attends every Mass at our Church every week, and he is a raging Obama supporter. And our parking lot is loaded with Obama-Biden stickers every week as well. Honestly, these days I think there is much less of a correlation between Mass attendance and soundness on these social doctrines than there may once have been.


13 posted on 10/08/2013 9:01:41 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: LibertarianLiz

Because they have priests and even bishops who are defacto Episcopalians.


14 posted on 10/09/2013 4:39:52 AM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: cothrige

Since 1968, there has been an informal schism in the Church.


15 posted on 10/09/2013 4:44:07 AM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: cothrige

In that case, why don’t you find a different parish with a priest who holds to your church’s teachings on life and the natural family?


16 posted on 10/10/2013 4:54:26 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

Well, actually, I do generally attend a different parish which is thoroughly modernist but less offensive. Sadly, this entire area is infected with some pretty weak ideas about Catholicism and so none are really inspiring choices, but we do what we can. However, where I attend was not really my point. I was merely pointing out that it is not necessarily sound reasoning to assume that people who attend Mass often are more sound in doctrine. If that were so then all parish priests would be extremely sound, and I believe most of us know better.


17 posted on 10/10/2013 5:18:40 PM PDT by cothrige
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