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A Sad Reminder of the Art Lost in the Years After the Reformation
The Catholic Herald (UK) ^ | 10/8/13 | Leanda de Lisle

Posted on 10/08/2013 5:24:17 PM PDT by marshmallow

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To: donmeaker
"We still benefit from that."

Ah, yes, we are such a good and moral society.

221 posted on 10/09/2013 7:17:05 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips

Certainly there are benefits besides being obedient to the king of the vatican.


222 posted on 10/09/2013 7:41:21 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar are soon to be relearned.)
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To: donmeaker
Interesting reading...

What's not to like with Roderic Llançol i de Borja ?
223 posted on 10/09/2013 7:42:42 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

They say the difference between Heaven and Hell is personnel Management.

Heaven has German mechanics, French chefs, British police, Swiss bankers, Italian lovers.

Hell has French mechanics, British chefs, German police, Swiss lovers and Italian bankers.


224 posted on 10/09/2013 7:47:18 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar are soon to be relearned.)
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To: donmeaker

I learned it as the

European dream:

Germans in charge of organization
English in charge of etiquette
French in charge of food
Italians in charge of fun

and the European nightmare:

Italians in charge of organization
French in charge of etiquette
English in charge of food
Germans in charge of fun


225 posted on 10/09/2013 7:55:23 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

I am sure all the Catholics will be happy that St Louis took their division today.


226 posted on 10/09/2013 7:56:34 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar are soon to be relearned.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Where are the Swiss?

European Dream: Swiss in charge of Riflery.

European Nightmare: (I don’t know a darned thing that the Swiss wouldn’t do well).


227 posted on 10/09/2013 7:58:32 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar are soon to be relearned.)
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To: donmeaker

. . . not my king. He’s just a man. But, the current occupant of the office seems to be inspiring a lot of people. As for the loss/benefit equation, well, you might want to look around. The prevailing liberalism of our times, their secularism, even nihilism and various forms of modern atheism . . . all have roots in the Reformation. The medieval Church needed to evolve, to be sure, away from the feudal construct of the Middle Ages, and to reform itself from within, but the intellectual cosmos of medieval life and thought was a wonderfully organic and spiritually profound construct (SEE C.S. Lewis), one which the Renaissance squandered and the Reformation lost. And it is our loss.


228 posted on 10/09/2013 8:14:58 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Is there no Spain?


229 posted on 10/09/2013 8:17:10 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

-— I never was much of an art lover. ——

Hopefully because modern art is garbage.

But God is Truth. And Truth is convertible with Goodness and Beauty.

To reject beauty is to reject truth.


230 posted on 10/09/2013 8:25:46 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: donmeaker

It was a polemical term aimed, really, at the Old Regime by its enemies, not at all the result of serious historical study, which was used in the process of discarding the very notion of Christian monarchy, in favor of something like Bourgeois republicanism.


231 posted on 10/09/2013 8:36:30 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: RobbyS

My dictionary gives its date as 1830-1840.

After the old regime went out, after the French Revolution, After the Empire, and during the bourbon restoration. Of course the English would have been less affected by French politics.

I rather like bourgeois republican government, certainly compared to pretended Christian Monarcy. That latter would include Henry 8th which all Catholics know was pure evil.


232 posted on 10/10/2013 6:46:47 AM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar are soon to be relearned.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Rather, Truth is G-d.


233 posted on 10/10/2013 6:47:20 AM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar are soon to be relearned.)
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To: MrChips

Some people are easy to inspire. I wish them well.


234 posted on 10/10/2013 6:48:05 AM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar are soon to be relearned.)
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To: MrChips

Yes, the internet has its roots in the Reformation.

Publishing the Bible was at that time a subversive act. After all, wouldn’t the priests tell people what they needed to know?


235 posted on 10/10/2013 6:49:33 AM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar are soon to be relearned.)
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To: donmeaker

What happened in France from 1789-1815 was not “ politics” but a sea change more akin to what happened in The Roman world is the last century before Christ. Long before the Revolution, the aristocracy has lost faith in its own standards and was casting about for new ones. We forget that Louis XVI was a “reforming” monarch, not unlike the Bourbons in Spain or Joseph in Austria. If he was confused and not very bright, he was a good man , pulled this way and that by the members of his court, who were from a nobilty that has not outlet for its frustrations. If Louis had not the opportunity to call an Estate-general at the start of his reign, how different things might have been. But of course, everyone was a believer in absolute monarchy. Yet paradoxically, England was much admired. Howe different the history of France would have been if the American rebellion had collapsed at the end of 1776, as it almost did, or if in the fall of 1777, Howe had moved enough troops up to help Burgoyne’s advance from Canada instead of moving to occupy Philadelphia.


236 posted on 10/10/2013 2:39:02 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: MrChips

The “feudal construct”—I would say constitution— of the Middle Ages prevented the emergence of an autocracy as in Russia, and before that, in Byzantium, and before that in the late Christian Empire.


237 posted on 10/10/2013 2:52:46 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: RobbyS

Oh, don’t get me wrong. I am a big fan of the Middle Ages, even of feudalism. I just think that the Church got a little too embroiled in it.


238 posted on 10/10/2013 6:36:59 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: donmeaker

Oh c’mon. He inspires millions. Why criticize them?


239 posted on 10/10/2013 6:38:16 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: donmeaker

Sermons, actually, were in English, or in the vernacular on the Continent. But, I’ll let you take your Biblical cues from the Jehovah’s Witnesses, Quakers, Anabaptists, Mormons, Unitarians, your own flawless interpretation, or from whatever holy rollers you choose. Your choices are myriad.


240 posted on 10/10/2013 6:44:15 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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