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There is something strange going on in the Vatican
LifeSiteNews ^ | Mon Oct 07, 2013 | Hilary White, Rome Correspondent

Posted on 10/09/2013 8:25:55 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

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To: Brian Kopp DPM

“The Pope is making a distinction between proselytizing and evangelizing. Its a distinction lost on most.”

Would you be so kind as to articulate what your understanding is, of how he sees the difference between the two?

It would appear to the great unwashed masses who only own dictionaries, that the first attempts to convert someone from their current religious belief to a new one. The second attempts to convert someone from their current religious belief to a new one.

What say you, to enlighten FR with the correct definitions, and after that we can discuss if the pope is correct?


51 posted on 10/09/2013 9:51:29 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I grew up in America. I now live in the United States..)
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you’re a strange one, Mr. Pope ...


52 posted on 10/09/2013 9:52:15 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (WWLD? What would LaRussa do?)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM; pgkdan

An excerpt from “Pascendi Dominici Gregis:”

“38. It remains for Us now to say a few words about the Modernist as reformer. From all that has preceded, it is abundantly clear how great and how eager is the passion of such men for innovation. In all Catholicism there is absolutely nothing on which it does not fasten. They wish philosophy to be reformed, especially in the ecclesiastical seminaries. They wish the scholastic philosophy to be relegated to the history of philosophy and to be classed among absolute systems, and the young men to be taught modern philosophy which alone is true and suited to the times in which we live. They desire the reform of theology: rational theology is to have modern philosophy for its foundation, and positive theology is to be founded on the history of dogma. As for history, it must be written and taught only according to their methods and modern principles. Dogmas and their evolution, they affirm, are to be harmonized with science and history. In the Catechism no dogmas are to be inserted except those that have been reformed and are within the capacity of the people. Regarding worship, they say, the number of external devotions is to be reduced, and steps must be taken to prevent their further increase, though, indeed, some of the admirers of symbolism are disposed to be more indulgent on this head. They cry out that ecclesiastical government requires to be reformed in all its branches, but especially in its disciplinary and dogmatic departments. They insist that both outwardly and inwardly it must be brought into harmony with the modern conscience which now wholly tends towards democracy; a share in ecclesiastical government should therefore be given to the lower ranks of the clergy and even to the laity, and authority which is too much concentrated should be decentralized. The Roman Congregations and especially the index and the Holy Office, must be likewise modified. The ecclesiastical authority must alter its line of conduct in the social and political world; while keeping outside political organizations it must adapt itself to them in order to penetrate them with its spirit. With regard to morals, they adopt the principle of the Americanists, that the active virtues are more important than the passive, and are to be more encouraged in practice. They ask that the clergy should return to their primitive humility and poverty, and that in their ideas and action they should admit the principles of Modernism; and there are some who, gladly listening to the teaching of their Protestant masters, would desire the suppression of the celibacy of the clergy. What is there left in the Church which is not to be reformed by them and according to their principles?”


53 posted on 10/09/2013 9:54:07 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Yeah yeah yeah. That’s a perfect summary of the shibboleth being cast towards those who question the prudence of this pope’s approach to “evangelization.” It may be true for some, but it cannot explain away the truth that many Catholics are very hurt and unsettled by this pope’s liberal phraseology and approach, and the many accolades he is receiving from Obama, Planned Parenthood, the homosexual lobby et al.


54 posted on 10/09/2013 9:54:10 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

But you count on the Vatican press to interpret it all for you and comfort those who are troubled? Why?


55 posted on 10/09/2013 9:58:24 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Would you be so kind as to articulate what your understanding is, of how he sees the difference between the two?

I know what the distinction between the two is. Here's a quick summary I saw online:

Technically speaking, proselytism and evangelism are synonyms for the act of advocating for one's own cause and seeking to bring others to belief in that cause. In recent decades though, and in religious parlance, some have used the term proselytism to refer to "hard sell" techniques for gaining converts that often are disrespectful of the conscience, human dignity, and personal convictions of the person who is being proselytized, while evangelism is used is refer to respectful means of witnessing to one's own faith while respecting those who are being evangelized.

If the more recent distinction between the two terms is recognized, then Catholics are called to evangelism and not to proselytism.

That's a post Vatican II development of the concepts that can be debated separately.

Admittedly, I do not know how the Pope sees the difference, because he and the Vatican have not offered any clarification of the words in his interview.

And there's the rub.

56 posted on 10/09/2013 9:59:41 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Actually, no, I’m not counting on anyone to interpret this pope for me. I’m watching and praying, fasting and sacrificing, and hoping for the best while preparing my mind and heart for something somewhat less than that.


57 posted on 10/09/2013 10:03:39 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Fester Chugabrew

58 posted on 10/09/2013 10:05:55 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Barack Obama 'hugely impressed' by Pope Francis

US president Barack Obama has welcomed Pope Francis' recent remarks that the Catholic Church must shake off an obsession with teachings on abortion, contraception and homosexuals, saying the pontiff was showing incredible humility.


59 posted on 10/09/2013 10:07:15 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Thanks so much. It is nice to actually discuss without animosity.

If someone is forced to convert - whether through pressure or threat of sword, I don’t consider that an act of faith and would not support it, nor does someone have a true conversion that leads to salvation.

If someone is exposed to the truth of the Gospel of Christ and chooses to come to faith in Him as an act of their will, I support it, since we are called to do just that.

Perhaps the context was the current Islamic situation?


60 posted on 10/09/2013 10:08:33 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I grew up in America. I now live in the United States..)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
Everyone needs to pray, fast, sacrifice ...
Really? WTH is any of that going to do?
61 posted on 10/09/2013 10:08:59 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

It is not as if President Obama is incapable of repentance. We should give thanks if/when he should understand and believe what the Church teaches. But . . . I do not fault anyone, including you, for being concerned.


62 posted on 10/09/2013 10:10:21 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: oh8eleven
Ruh-roh; that's why we're in the shape we are in; lots of people think like you do.

*grrrr* Bunch of lazy Christians imo. [Or maybe you are not a Christian?]
63 posted on 10/09/2013 10:18:12 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: oh8eleven
And He said to them, "Because of the littleness of your faith; for truly I say to you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you. "But this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting."
64 posted on 10/09/2013 10:19:21 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Thanks. I pray for his conversion, and if he will not convert, that he and those working with him against the Church and the culture of life, be confounded, a scripturally based approach.
65 posted on 10/09/2013 10:24:07 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

If the little islamist, planned parenthood and the homosexual lobby are praising the Pope, there is definitely a very serious problem at the Vatican.


66 posted on 10/09/2013 10:31:45 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Perhaps the context was the current Islamic situation?

Perhaps. But the problem is the central point of the article in the original post. The Pope himself, and the Vatican, have failed to clarify, or refute false notions, regarding what the Pope may have meant.

That gives ample ammunition to the enemies of the Truth.

67 posted on 10/09/2013 10:37:51 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
"Proselytism is what the Jehovah’s Witnesses do"

Its also the vast majority of postings on the Religion Forum from certain sectors."

Principally, the Roman Catholic group. Count the articles touting Rome, or the Pope, or the Medjagore apparition, or the Word of the Day, or...

68 posted on 10/09/2013 11:13:52 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

Au contraire mon cheri.

If one were to tell Catholics they were going to Hell because of their beliefs, that might qualify as proselytism.

Simply defending the Catholic Faith, especially in the face of blatant lies and distortions, is basic evangelization, apologetics and witnessing.

Telling others they are going to Hell because of their faith is the epitome of modern day definitions of proselytism.

On the other hand, sometimes I’d like to see the Church return to her pre-VII understanding and defense and Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus. All proselytism isn’t evil, but all false ecumenism is.


69 posted on 10/09/2013 11:20:28 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: nanetteclaret; pgkdan; mlizzy; sitetest
Casual Pope Puts Vatican On Alert With Quips by The Associated Press

Excerpt:

—Francis was asked June 7 why he chose to live in the Vatican hotel rather than the fancier Apostolic Palace where his predecessors lived. "If I was living alone, isolated, it wouldn't be good for me," he told students of Jesuit schools. "A professor asked me the same question, 'Why don't you go and live there (in the papal apartments)'? And I replied: 'Listen to me professor, it is for psychiatric reasons.'"

70 posted on 10/09/2013 11:33:56 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Psychiatric reasons??? Is he insinuating that solitude would drive him crazy? Wonder what the Desert Fathers would say to that pathetic excuse?

I have thought often of the Conclave and how someone reported seeing Cardinal Burke looking worried and praying his Rosary during the time before they were locked in.

The last 6 months have shown us why. I still pray for Cardinal Burke every day. As the Apostolic Signatura, he must have a GINORMOUS burden on his shoulders!


71 posted on 10/09/2013 11:47:03 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
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To: cuban leaf
Why did God choose him then?

Although we are all called to trust in God's divine providence at all times, I am beginning to fear that this papacy may be the result of Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI retiring prematurely. This current crisis may permitted only as a warning to future generations that the papacy is a lifetime appointment and that there should only be one Pope at a time.

72 posted on 10/09/2013 11:52:32 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Ronaldus Magnus

I intentionally did not capitalize “god”. I see choosing who wears the funny hat as the work of men, not God.


73 posted on 10/09/2013 11:55:32 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: nanetteclaret

Last week, one of the most liberal priests in this diocese was going around gloating because he had heard Pope Francis was removing Cardinal Burke soon. Lord help us if true.


74 posted on 10/09/2013 11:56:15 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

If he does that, then it will throw the Church into mega confusion. It will be Avingnon all over again. I was praying for Cardinal Burke to be elected our Pope and knew something was wrong when the white smoke went up. My first thought was, “It’s too soon. Something is wrong.” I don’t know why I thought that, but it popped into my head.

I have recently been reading many Papal Encyclicals such as “Quo Primum” and “Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio,” as well as Encyclicals against Modernism by Gregory XVI, Pius IX, Leo XIII, Pius XI, Pius XII as well as St. Pius X, all found in a book called “The Popes Against Modern Errors.” Much food for thought.

When one reads the actual encyclicals, one progresses natuarally to the conclusion that everything since Vatican II, including the Novus Ordo, is infected with the heresy of Modernism. The Encyclical “Cum Ex Apostolatus Offficio” deals with “what happens when the Pope or some other member of the clergy is a heretic?” Short answer: they have no authority and everything they say and do is null and void.


75 posted on 10/09/2013 12:10:44 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

This is basically how the Vatican would be run if Obama had been elected Pope.


76 posted on 10/09/2013 12:12:08 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (If anyone tells you it's a cookbook, don't believe them.)
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To: cuban leaf

“Why did god choose him then?”


As a practical joke! Err, uh, I mean, to try the faithful! Yeah, that’s what I’m going with.


77 posted on 10/09/2013 12:15:59 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (If anyone tells you it's a cookbook, don't believe them.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
Thank you for posting this. As a sympathetic Protestant, I am concerned about the utterances of Francis I and their impact on Christians in every church. He seems to be spreading confusion and doubt. I cannot accept that somehow everything he says is being mis-reported or mis-translated. There is something else at work here.

I deeply respected B14 and-despite the usual doctrinal objections, which are of no importance to this conversation-found his theology to be sound and clear-in short, a light in the darkness. With so many Protestant churches going wobbly and leaders going even wobblier it was good to have such a powerful voice for orthodoxy. I miss him greatly.

78 posted on 10/09/2013 12:21:42 PM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Just now cluing in to that?


80 posted on 10/09/2013 12:49:35 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

proselytizing is usually done with misinformation and not rooted in the “love of the other person” if more about scoreing points of getting someone to come to “my religion” Pope Francis as seen “proselytizing” done by groups such as JW, Adventist and some of the Fundalmentalist Bob Jones type Protestants in South America.

Evangelization is seen as revealing Christ by word and deed and let them encounter him thru his Bride the Church, which all baptized are part of, it does not, versus Proselytizing, rely on false accusations and agressive apologetics that misrepresents what someone believes. As someone who has been here at FR a long time, but does not post as much as it is same stuff different day around here [and same members of the Protestant Fundie brigades], aggressive proselytizing can be empirically observed by watching many FR Prots post here, in my view.


81 posted on 10/09/2013 12:50:50 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: jodyel

Thanks.

82 posted on 10/09/2013 12:57:02 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
No, his response about proselytism was in response to the interviewer mentioning that his friends thought Francis was going to convert him. Francis is equating proselytism with conversion. Conversion is nonsense.

Evangelization *is* something else. Since Vatican II the focus has NOT been on the need to convert others to the Catholic Faith. It's more of a wishy washy, gee, let's have coffee and share our faiths...or better yet, let me participate in your non-Catholic service even though this was condemned for 1960 years.

83 posted on 10/09/2013 1:36:06 PM PDT by piusv
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To: nanetteclaret

I actually think there are better excerpts out there, but yes, I found myself gasping as I read this encyclical against Modernism.

For those who are scratching their heads, I highly suggest reading Pascendi as well as Mortalium Animos. The Vatican II church teaches heresy.


84 posted on 10/09/2013 1:44:10 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv

There probably are better excerpts, but since I haven’t finished reading and this was the one that jumped out at me when scanning, I posted it.

It’s really breathtaking that the Church since VatII teaches heresy and has done since Paul VI. (He was the one who did away with the requirement that all clergy, professors, etc. had to sign the “Oath Against Modernism.” surprise, surprise....)

It really makes me wonder what they teach in Seminary. Do they not read any of the Encyclicals of previous Popes? Anyone who reads them can figure it out. It takes a special kind of intellectual dishonesty to believe that something doesn’t say what it clearly says.


85 posted on 10/09/2013 1:59:04 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
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To: nanetteclaret

Pope Francis is a full-blown Modernist
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And you are basing this proclamation from an interview with an atheist who did not tape the interview and wrote about it from memory? So you are trusting the memory of an atheist? I do think this pope is naive about the ruthlessness of his enemies and is loose with his tongue. He doesn’t realize that everything he says will be warped and taken out of context by the many, many enemies of Catholicism, especially the lefties. He certainly needs to get a better press secretary so he doesn’t make confusing statements and double check that what written about he says is actually what he says, or thinks.


86 posted on 10/09/2013 2:03:35 PM PDT by NotTallTex
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To: NotTallTex

If you read “Pascendi Dominici Gregis” and then ALL of the statements that Pope Francis has made, you will come to the same conclusion, too.


87 posted on 10/09/2013 2:05:46 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
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To: NotTallTex

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid my friend.

Really, those of us who have come to this conclusion didn’t just base it on ONE comment by Francis. I suspect that those of us who have come to these conclusions have spent a long time coming to them (at least I have).

I’m not happy at all with my conclusions, but I refuse to bury my head in the sand any longer.


88 posted on 10/09/2013 2:10:57 PM PDT by piusv
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To: CTrent1564

Open the other eye, too?


89 posted on 10/09/2013 2:11:31 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
Bergoglio has scandalized Catholics and Orthodox Jews in Argentina – with his ongoing "interfaith dialogue" and honoring of Abraham Skorka, a liberal rabbi of the Benei Tikva community in Buenos Aires. Bergoglio has scandalized Catholics and Orthodox Jews in Argentina – with his ongoing "interfaith dialogue" and honoring of Abraham Skorka, a liberal rabbi of the Benei Tikva community in Buenos Aires. Skorka, who openly supports homosexual unions, is also the rector of the Seminario Rabínico Latinoamericano (Latin American Rabbinical Seminary). Skorka is known for his heretical charlatanism, offensive in both Catholic and Jewish circles. Skorka, who openly supports homosexual unions, is also the rector of the Seminario Rabínico Latinoamericano (Latin American Rabbinical Seminary). Skorka is known for his heretical charlatanism, offensive in both Catholic and Jewish circles

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/marielena/130316

Something very wrong with this excess of ecumenism which is apparently of the sort that is willing to overlook such blatant disregard for Biblical teachings. I read a link on another thread that Pope Francis has hosted this pro-homosexual Rabbi at his Vatican guest house and plans to travel with him to the Holy Land.

90 posted on 10/09/2013 2:21:31 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

Sukkot in the Vatican: Rabbi spent the holidays with Pope Francis

By Daniel Treiman

Rabbi Abraham Skorka from Argentina recently spent several days in the Vatican, hanging out with his good friend and countryman Pope Francis and staying at the guest house that the modest pontiff has made his residence.

La Stampa’s Vatican Insider has the story:

Never before in the history of Christian-Jewish relations have a Pope and a Rabbi celebrated their friendship by living in the Vatican together for several days, sharing all meals, including on two Jewish festivals and the Sabbath at which the Rabbi said prayers in Hebrew, and discussing what more  they can do together to promote dialogue and peace in the world.

That is what actually happened over the past four days at the Vatican guesthouse (Santa Marta) where Pope Francis lives and where his friend from Buenos Aires, Rabbi Abraham Skorka, has been his guest from September 25 to this day.

“I eat with him at breakfast, lunch and dinner every day.  He cares for me, and controls everything regarding my food to makes sure it is all kosher, and according to my religious tradition.  These are festive days, and I have to say certain prayers at meals and, I expand the last prayer and translate it. He accompanies me together with the others at table -his secretaries and a bishop, and they all say ‘Amen’ at the end”, the Rabbi said.

Skorka, the rector of the Latin American Rabbinic Seminary, got to know the future pope in Argentina. The two men conducted a series of interreligious dialogues back when Francis was still known as Archbishop Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Buenos Aires. The dialogues were later published in book form.

Skorka told Vatican Insider that he and the pope hope to travel together soon to Israel and the Palestinian Authority.


91 posted on 10/09/2013 2:33:27 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: BlatherNaut

Is Pope Francis Most Small-C Catholic Pontiff Ever?

Rabbis Could Follow Holy Father's Universalist Path


92 posted on 10/09/2013 2:35:11 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
Rabbis Could Follow Holy Father's Universalist Path

probably inadvisable

93 posted on 10/09/2013 2:52:13 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Dutchboy88

cos the Bible tells me so


94 posted on 10/09/2013 3:26:23 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: mlizzy
You didn't answer my question. How is prayer, fasting and "sacrifice" going to help?
How did it help the 50 million who died in WWII? Maybe they should have fasted more ...
95 posted on 10/09/2013 3:29:08 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: CTrent1564

CT,
Thanks for taking time to share your views. I generally agree with what you expressed, with a few small caveats...

1. The group from which a person leaves after coming to Christ almost always asserts their views were represented. If they were not misrepresented, why would someone ever leave their group? They alone have truth. Not so much.

2. If you can argue someone into the kingdom, someone else can argue them out. In neither case, did someone actually entrust themselves to Christ.

3. I personally do not care what good denomination a Christian chooses as his home of worship. If he is a believer truly, he will choose one that reflects truth and not liberal or ecclesiastical lies.

It is about Christ, His gathering He established, His glory and His bride.


96 posted on 10/09/2013 3:34:33 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I grew up in America. I now live in the United States..)
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To: oh8eleven
How did it help the 50 million who died in WWII? Maybe they should have fasted more ...
You could show any type of shock-photo you wish; it doesn't mean prayer, fasting, and sacrifice, hasn't helped the souls of not only those who participate in it, but the souls for whom they pray. It's called belief, faith, hope..
97 posted on 10/09/2013 3:41:16 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

In recent decades though, and in religious parlance, some have used the term proselytism to refer to “hard sell” techniques for gaining converts that often are disrespectful of the conscience, human dignity, and personal convictions of the person who is being proselytized, while evangelism is used is refer to respectful means of witnessing to one’s own faith while respecting those who are being evangelized.

If the more recent distinction between the two terms is recognized, then Catholics are called to evangelism and not to proselytism.


Hm.....

25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean.

27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people’s bones and all uncleanness. 28 So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.” - Jesus, Matt 23

51 “You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you. 52 Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who announced beforehand the coming of the Righteous One, whom you have now betrayed and murdered, 53 you who received the law as delivered by angels and did not keep it.”

54 Now when they heard these things they were enraged, and they ground their teeth at him. 55 But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. - Stephen Acts 7

“45 But when the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy and began to contradict what was spoken by Paul, reviling him. 46 And Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly, saying, “It was necessary that the word of God be spoken first to you. Since you thrust it aside and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles.” - St Paul, Acts 13


98 posted on 10/09/2013 3:42:10 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

You are so welcome!!!

Anytime!!!


99 posted on 10/09/2013 3:42:20 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: mlizzy
It's called belief, faith, hope ...
Once again you've avoided answering.
100 posted on 10/09/2013 4:01:10 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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