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Polygamy and Mormonism
Answering Protestants ^ | 10 October 2013 | Matthew Olson

Posted on 10/10/2013 3:15:56 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson

In defiance of Deuteronomy 17:17, Matthew 19:4-6, and other Biblical passages, the founder of Mormonism, Joseph Smith, endorsed the practice of polygamy. However, the largest Mormon church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS), later outlawed the practice. This presents a problem for LDS theology.

In verses 61-63 of Section 132 of the Doctrine and Covenants, Joseph Smith reveals a "revelation" about polygamy supposedly given to him by God. The verses teach that a man "cannot commit adultery" -- even if "he have ten virgins given unto him by this law" of polygamy -- as long as his women are "vowed to no other man".

So, polygamy was allowed in the first 47 years of Mormonism. But in 1890, due to Official Declaration 1 -- which is "authoritative and binding" -- polygamy was banned by the LDS church.

While the Declaration says that the church never "inculcate[d] or encourage[d]" the practice, it at least never claims that it did not allow or officiate it.

In the "Excerpts" section at the bottom of the online Declaration, it quotes LDS President Wilford Woodruff as saying that it would have been unwise "to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage," because "adherence to this principle" of polygamy resulted in "suffering" for the church's members, due to strong U.S. federal laws against it. Woodruff bluntly said that it was time to "cease the practice and submit to the law".

All of this, taken together, shows that the church did accept polygamy, and it only backed down on the issue so that it could continue to exist and thrive. Basically, it changed its religious teachings to suit the secular laws of the government, which would obviously go against Biblical teachings, because God's laws are not subject to the State. In the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13), one verse reads: "Your kingdom come. Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."

What makes this all even more interesting is that even the Book of Mormon seems to oppose polygamy. Jacob 2:27 reads: "Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none.."

This all leads to the big question: Do you think that an organization could be so wishy-washy with its teachings if it were really "The Church of Jesus Christ"? I do not think so, and I must therefore conclude that this Mormon magisterium is invalid.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: christian; lds; mormon; mormonism; polyamory; polygamy; polygyny
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1 posted on 10/10/2013 3:15:56 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson
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To: matthewrobertolson

Correction: Polygamy was allowed in the first 46 years after Joseph Smith’s death.


2 posted on 10/10/2013 3:22:16 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson
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To: matthewrobertolson

The name of your blog is “Answering Protestants” - what does Mormonism have to do with Protestantism?


3 posted on 10/10/2013 3:22:39 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: matthewrobertolson

I guess you know that Mormonism is an entirely different religion, that it isn’t Christian?


4 posted on 10/10/2013 3:22:50 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: matthewrobertolson
An Open Letter to Mormons who are
sincere and serious about their faith...
 
(but slightly troubled and embarrassed by posts
that raise problems with mormon teachings and
beliefs that cannot be answered)
 
If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums
you will notice a pattern. There’s a group of
Christians who spend a great deal of time posting
from Official Mormon Sources - both the Book of
Mormon as well as Mormon Prophets and Church
materials - real quotes from real mormon materials.
 
You will also notice that many of these Christians
are former Mormons who left Mormonism and came to
know the Biblical Jesus Christ and His Gospel of Grace
- apart from the treadmill of human works.
 
They have a passion to share what they learned with
other Mormons.
 
Of course, they are attacked regularly by a very,
small group of Mormons on FR who have zeal, but no real
knowledge beyond what the Mormon Church has told
them.
 
Why can't these so-called "defenders" provide any:
 
… Objective Facts
… Objective Evidence
… Or Logical support
 
Anything OBJECTIVE that any reasonable person would
see and agree that it lends support the claims of
Mormonism.
 
God is a God of real history. He wove the strands of
human DNA, His Book, the Bible is rooted and grounded
in real places on real maps and is verified through
archeology, geography, history and genetics.
 
If Mormonism is true, why is it based only on subjective
feelings and
why doesn't it have the same kind of objective
support the Bible does
?
 
Has God changed?
 
Is He no longer in control of the world?
 
If they could support the claims of Mormonism with facts,
you know they would. But it never happens. I've even heard
these "defenders" say God hid all evidence to make our
faith greater. Has the God of the universe now become
the Cosmic Easter Bunny? Or is He unchangeable, like the
Bible teaches?
 
*** Why would God provide every kind of objective support
for the Bible's rich history and none for the Book of
Mormon? ***
 
These "defenders" post links over and over again that
“address” things yet never provide an answer that is
buttressed by the ring of truth, echoed by history,
archeology, genetics, geography, etc.
 
You deserve more than feelings and non-answers.
 
After reading both sides on this thread and others,
you may very well be wondering about what you were
taught when you joined the LDS church. You also may
be wondering how to resolve the tension of a faith
that is based entirely on subjective claims, yet
wants to claim the same God who has commanded you
to love Him with "all your mind."
 
You are not alone in this journey.
 
Many have approached us who are Christians asking where
to find out more and some, even, to ask how to come to
know the Biblical Christ and some even how  to gracefully
leave Mormonism and start a new life with Christ.
 
Many here have already set out to finally and joyfully know
the true God and Savior. They understand the terrible choice
of being totally sincere about your faith, but increasingly
concerned that it isn't everything you once believed and hoped for
.

After coming to know the truth, they are on a path that gives them
the rest God promised to His children and the certainty of His
ultimate plan for them.
 
Here are some links to get you started in your quest to know
the Biblical Christ:
http://www.irr.org/mit/default.html
http://www.exmormonsforjesus.org/
http://4mormon.org/ex-mormon.php
http://www.exmormon.org/
http://www.mormoncurtain.com/
In the end though, links may raise more questions and concerns
and sometimes it helps to have someone who has already wrestled
with all these issues already.
 
I invite you to private FReep-mail any of the Christians
on this thread to ask questions about the concerns you have.
 
We always do our best to directly answer your questions with
facts, evidence and logical support.
 
Take a step. I also challenge you to not only pray about these issues,
but go the one step farther and examine them to see if they are
true quotes, true teachings of the LDS church. Are you intellectually
honest enough to do this, or are you satisfied with just feelings
and a lack of facts, evidence and logic? If you are not willing to
examine your faith, is it because of what you might learn? Or are you
indeed intellectually lazy?
 
What do you have to lose at this point? And you have much to
gain. 
 
If something is true, it can withstand any question, no matter
how tough. If it is false, it is better to know while your life
is in front of you.
 
There is peace and rest waiting for you today. Take a step to
find it now.
 
All the Best,
ampu

5 posted on 10/10/2013 3:23:34 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I grew up in America. I now live in the United States..)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Gee, thanks for making it so large and annoying, which is too bad since it probably would read OK if it was readable.


6 posted on 10/10/2013 3:29:28 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Love your peaceful spirit, ampu.

I just want to blast all the idiots off the planet. lol


7 posted on 10/10/2013 3:29:37 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: ansel12

Looks fine to me.


8 posted on 10/10/2013 3:30:07 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: Alex Murphy

The use of the term, “magisterium” makes me think this is a confused RC trying to dump biblical believers into the pot of cults like Mormons, JW, Moses David & the Children of God, Witness Lee & the local Church, et al.


9 posted on 10/10/2013 3:33:40 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: ansel12

“Gee, thanks for making it so large and annoying, which is too bad since it probably would read OK if it was readable.”

No problem and no extra charge for using larger font sizes and font faces. We aim to please.


10 posted on 10/10/2013 3:34:07 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I grew up in America. I now live in the United States..)
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To: matthewrobertolson

matthewrobertolson I’m curious to hear your argument for Mormonism being Christian.

Are you going to show up on your own thread?


11 posted on 10/10/2013 3:36:01 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

Gee, thanks for making it so large and annoying...


It’s easy on my eyes.


12 posted on 10/10/2013 3:38:15 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Alex Murphy; matthewrobertolson

“what does Mormonism have to do with Protestantism?”

Everything and nothing.

If a Protestant never studies Mormonism then they conclude Mormons are “Christians too” and simply another doctrine within the larger body of Christ.

Protestants don’t understand that LDS co-opted the Bible, added another non-existent book and even expanded upon one of the three great parables “Pearl of Great Price” to demonstrate their uniqueness.

Further, while Protestants may come to the conclusion that Mormons are just like them, Mormons unmistakably do not consider themselves “Christians too”.

Mormons will inform you with a manipulative phrase that omits quite a bit and used mostly to lure others into a conversation whereby they can learn “The Truth”, about Joseph Smith and “The one True Church”.

The dishonest phrase they use is “I’m Christian” which to the unsuspecting implies they are just like you.

Of course, they are not and “I’m Christian” is a term of exclusion on the one hand a bit of puffery for the ego as the Mormon who declares, using that phrase, if part of an exclusive group in which all divine things are given to them alone.

Protestants don’t understand they are being lied to and the missionary learns how to artfully phrase in the MTC just like 50,000 others do each years.

No, Mormons are not “Christians too” nor will they ever utter the phrase “I’m a Christian”.

Their phrase objectifies Christianity and they alone have the keys to heaven.

They don’t.


13 posted on 10/10/2013 3:39:59 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: jodyel

I wonder if you can separate agreeing with the text from evaluating how overdoing that post hurts the effectiveness of the text and hurts what could be an educating thread against the confusion of the thread poster and his naming of Mormonism as Christian.

A lot of Mormon threads turn into messes of badly done extravagant posts.


14 posted on 10/10/2013 3:40:16 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: matthewrobertolson

Just to note; Deuteronomy 17:17 says not to take or make ‘many’ wives. Given that Deuteronomy was written by Moses and that Moses had two wives (Zipporah and an Ethiopean woman) it’s unlikely that he meant to proscribe having more than one wife. Frankly, it’s illogical to assume that the Torah proscribed polygamy since polygamy persisted throughout Israel and Judah on into Roman times.

Just saying.


15 posted on 10/10/2013 3:41:18 PM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again. 969)
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To: Vendome

Actually Protestant Christians seem to understand Mormonism better and are seen as the most dedicated to educating the public on Mormonism, in fact they takes lots of flak from Catholics and liberals for it.

It is Catholics that are famously susceptible to Mormonism as new recruits, and who are usually defending it on threads here at FR.


16 posted on 10/10/2013 3:43:34 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

I consider Mormonism to be “Christian” only in the vaguest sense of the word. But I am well aware of Mormonism’s awkward theology, so I understand why most are not as generous about their use of the term.

Dominus vobiscum (”The Lord be with you”).


17 posted on 10/10/2013 3:46:41 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson
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To: matthewrobertolson

Mormons believe that God was once a man who now has a goddess wife; that men can become gods; that there are many gods; that God had sex with Mary; and that there was no salvation before Joseph Smith. Mormonism is not Christian in any way, shape or form.

It’s amazing you think otherwise, especially since the Catholic church calls Mormonism a cult.


18 posted on 10/10/2013 3:52:12 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: matthewrobertolson

What does that mean? You consider Mormonism Christian?

Because of the name of your blog and your posting so far, you seem to think so.

I would like to hear how you came to think of them as Christians when no Christian church does?

Which church are you speaking from when you write your blog about other Christians?


19 posted on 10/10/2013 3:52:20 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

bump


20 posted on 10/10/2013 3:53:34 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Dutchboy88; aMorePerfectUnion; Alex Murphy
The use of the term, “magisterium” makes me think this is a confused RC ...

This thread is another serial attempt at RC proselytizing and an opportunity for more of his blog pimping. It is tiring to say the least. These incessant doctrinal disputes trying to pump up the errors of Rome deserve no place on FreeRepublic. Every day we see these Catholics posting theory as fact. They post their catechismal teachings as being the authority above Scripture. They brag about their riches, and ghoulish displays of dead people. Their buildings are full of idols, and they light candles thinking it helps them to pray and get to God's ear.

But, thank God we have the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth. Thank God we have the Holy Spirit to keep our feet on the path. Thank God he sent the Holy Spirit so that we may know the riches of his glory.

2 Corinthians 6: 4 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial[b]? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:

“I will live with them
and walk among them,
and I will be their God,
and they will be my people.”
17 Therefore,

“Come out from them
and be separate,
says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you.”
18 And,

“I will be a Father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.”...

***

... Ephesians 2: 1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

21 posted on 10/10/2013 3:55:43 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("The only place that the left hasn't placed the blame is on their agenda..." -Sarah Palin)
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To: matthewrobertolson
"I consider Mormonism to be “Christian” only in the vaguest sense of the word."

There can be no "vague sense" about it. Mormonism either is or isn't Christian. It isn't.

22 posted on 10/10/2013 3:57:28 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: ansel12

Heretic.....


23 posted on 10/10/2013 4:17:35 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: CatherineofAragon

They are Christian. Just not like you...


24 posted on 10/10/2013 4:18:30 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

No. See post # 18. They can’t deny/change basic Christian doctrine, then make up their own (which blasphemes God, even) and be Christian.


25 posted on 10/10/2013 4:45:13 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: matthewrobertolson
Well then.

Good luck to all who follow such beliefs on Judgement day.

And Christ said,
Matthew 7:21 – 23

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

26 posted on 10/10/2013 4:48:27 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: WVKayaker

A breath of fresh air, my FRiend.

I would add Eph. 1:3ff


27 posted on 10/10/2013 4:57:16 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Vendome

Mormonism is it’s own religion created by Joe Smith, it isn’t Christian, that is something that all Christian denominations agree on.


28 posted on 10/10/2013 4:57:16 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: matthewrobertolson

For a guy promoting a blog here you sure don’t interested in explaining it.


29 posted on 10/10/2013 5:00:14 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

“I wonder if you can separate agreeing with the text from evaluating how overdoing that post hurts the effectiveness of the text and hurts what could be an educating thread against the confusion of the thread poster and his naming of Mormonism as Christian.”

When I get finished detangling this sentence, I’ll have another look at the Mormon text post. LOL

Take a breath and use some punctuation, my friend.


30 posted on 10/10/2013 5:04:00 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: CatherineofAragon

They can be Christian. they cannot be a Christian

Subtle difference. Huge consequences.


31 posted on 10/10/2013 5:05:53 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome; ansel12; Elsie
They are Christian. Just not like you...

Just because they put the name of Jesus Christ on their buildings, does not say that Mormons are Christians. If you have ever read their teachings, you'll see that they believe there is more than one God, and that if they follow the Mormon formula, that one day a Mormon man can be God of his own planet.

I'm one of those Protestant Christians that accepts the words from Scripture. In 2 Timothy 3:16, we are told to study to show ourselves approved. I studied quite a bit. With the Internet, most of the time my 17 different versions of the Bible are left on the shelf. With just a few clicks, I can read from even the Greek or Hebrew writings. I attended Bible school and know some of the Greek, and sat with a Rabbi to learn some Hebrew. I can't claim any scholarship to either.

But, with the all the modern translations, and the knowledge that I have of those ancient languages, with the help of the Holy Spirit, it is easy to find the truth. Mormonism is akin to Catholicism, in that they both claim to hold all the truth and the only path to God. In my educated opinion, they qualify as cults. They are based on tradition and false interpretation of Scripture. They have enough truth in them to look good on the outside, but rat poison looks pretty good to a rat. Rat poison is made from corn and grain usually, and 90% of it is food. But it's that 10% of chemicals that are deadly and do the job as intended.

Ignorance leads into error. Willful ignorance leads to death. In the spiritual world, death is eternal separation from God. Man cannot become a god, just as Lucifer could not either. There is only one God, that has revealed himself to us in every way. He took the form of a mortal man, and fulfilled, completely, the law he established as a schoolteacher for our forefathers. When Jesus walked the earth, he was fully blameless throughout those days, just as the prophets had foretold. When they crucified him, he rose again from the dead and went back so he could send us his Holy Spirit to dwell within us, just as the prophets had foretold.

You can try to be the best man or woman, but you will fail miserably over and over again. You can give a tithe to the church of 10% or give everything that you own. You can be baptized for the dead and pray to dead saints, but all of that will never reach God. The only way he will grant us the gift of salvation, is not through works, but only simple faith.

There is only one God, and the only mediator is through Christ Jesus. The Holy Spirit dwells within the believers, and the aggregate is the church. It does not have temples of concrete and stone, and there are no ceremonies of righteousness. God is a Spirit and those that worship him, must worship him in spirit and in truth…

Colossians 1: ... 13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

32 posted on 10/10/2013 5:06:00 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("The only place that the left hasn't placed the blame is on their agenda..." -Sarah Palin)
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To: jodyel

Don’t call people friend that you go out of your way to insult.


33 posted on 10/10/2013 5:18:57 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; ansel12

***No problem and no extra charge for using larger font sizes and font faces. ***

With my old eyes I need large fonts. And to think, just a couple of years ago I could read fine print.

Must get new glasses.


34 posted on 10/10/2013 5:29:50 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: ansel12

Oh, for cryin’ out loud, ansel12...lighten up and get over yourself!


35 posted on 10/10/2013 5:35:22 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: WVKayaker

You should be a preacher, WV!!


36 posted on 10/10/2013 5:35:47 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: jodyel

I hope that you take you own advice and also just lay off the personal stuff.


37 posted on 10/10/2013 5:44:51 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: All

Everyone, when I agreed that I think of Mormons as “Christians” in the vaguest sense of the word, I meant that they claim to follow Christ and they accept that the Bible has authority. Yes, it’s a generous use of the term. I understand that they do not accept the Trinity and many other doctrines that most Christians take for granted.

Now, instead of focusing on my use of a term, we should focus on the truth of my post. My post proves that Mormonism seems contradictory and wishy-washy, and its magisterium (teaching authority) — which it claims to have — is therefore invalid.


38 posted on 10/10/2013 6:01:00 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson
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To: matthewrobertolson

I have always thought that if the state did something like prohibit Baptists from baptizing or mandated that Catholics accept divorce and remarriage they would tell the state to go take a hike.

A similar situation exists with the LDS apologizing for baptizing the dead when groups complain about it. If they believe that it is helping the deceased somehow, why would they apologize or agree to quit doing it (it never seems to stop in any case) when the living complain about the practice?

In any case, nowadays it might be more likely that the state accepts polygamy and then outlaws actual marriage.

Freegards


39 posted on 10/10/2013 6:13:03 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: matthewrobertolson

I have always thought that if the state did something like prohibit Baptists from baptizing or mandated that Catholics accept divorce and remarriage they would tell the state to go take a hike.

A similar situation exists with the LDS apologizing for baptizing the dead when groups complain about it. If they believe that it is helping the deceased somehow, why would they apologize or agree to quit doing it (it never seems to stop in any case) when the living complain about the practice?

In any case, nowadays it might be more likely that the state accepts polygamy and then outlaws actual marriage.

Freegards


40 posted on 10/10/2013 6:13:04 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed

Good point.

Grace and peace to you.


41 posted on 10/10/2013 6:51:29 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson
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To: ansel12

Wow, where is your sense of humor???

Geez!


42 posted on 10/10/2013 7:05:42 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: matthewrobertolson

I’ll be the odd man out and say I actually do not mind Matthew joining in the fight against the LDS, which is always looked down upon by FR’s resident heretics/lukewarm Christians. Though, it would be very obnoxious if he claimed that Protestants and Mormons are actually the same thing. In which case, thems fighting words.


43 posted on 10/10/2013 8:02:49 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (If anyone tells you it's a cookbook, don't believe them.)
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To: jodyel

I don’t know why you are personalizing this, if you disagree with one of my points related to the thread topic why not just focus on that and lay off the personal stuff?


44 posted on 10/10/2013 8:10:35 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Ransomed
A similar situation exists with the LDS apologizing for baptizing the dead when groups complain about it. If they believe that it is helping the deceased somehow, why would they apologize or agree to quit doing it (it never seems to stop in any case) when the living complain about the practice?

They aren't similar at all to the government forbidding the practice of the Christian religion in the church.

That is why the Mormon religion has agreed to stop baptizing Jews for instance.

45 posted on 10/10/2013 8:16:00 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: matthewrobertolson

Your post’s truth?

You seem too confused and confusing to have people trying to figure out your blogging.

Mormonism isn’t Christian so you really took off in the wrong direction.


46 posted on 10/10/2013 8:25:46 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

I didn’t personalize a darn thing.

What are you moaning on and on about?

Is everyone on this entire forum totally devoid of a sense of humor??


47 posted on 10/10/2013 8:26:41 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: ansel12; jodyel

Keep in mind we’re all brothers and sisters in Christ and are mutual allies in the fight against all cults and enemies of the truth. You both should just shake hands and get it over with.


48 posted on 10/10/2013 8:30:03 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (If anyone tells you it's a cookbook, don't believe them.)
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To: jodyel

We are...


49 posted on 10/10/2013 8:30:19 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("The only place that the left hasn't placed the blame is on their agenda..." -Sarah Palin)
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To: jodyel

You started posting to me and I guess you want the last post to make yet another personal attack as well.

I do wish you would just focus on the thread topic and any disagreement with me that you have on that.


50 posted on 10/10/2013 9:11:29 PM PDT by ansel12
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