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Mary 'can only bring us to God,' expert says as entrustment nears
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com ^ | October 11, 2013 | Elise Harris

Posted on 10/11/2013 9:11:50 AM PDT by NKP_Vet

Vatican City, Oct 11, 2013 / 07:25 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Anticipating Pope Francis' entrustment of the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on Oct. 13, a specialist in Marian apparitions reflected on how the Blessed Mother serves to bring people to Jesus.

“It is necessary to have recourse to the Virgin because she can only bring you to God. That's her whole mission. She has nothing of self in it at all. She lives only for God and to bring you to God,” said Marian expert Tim Tindal-Robertson during an Oct. 10 interview with CNA.

Tindal-Robertson is currently the national president in England of the World Apostolate of Fatima, an international association of the faithful which was erected by the Pontifical Council for the Laity in 2010.

Speaking of the significance of Pope Francis’ decision to entrust the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Tindal-Robertson said that “the Pope has judged that in the year of faith this is a very appropriate moment” to focus on Mary’s presence in the Church.

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Hail Mary, Full of Grace, The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of death.

Amen.

1 posted on 10/11/2013 9:11:50 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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2 posted on 10/11/2013 9:21:52 AM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: NKP_Vet

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. (John 6:44)


3 posted on 10/11/2013 9:24:17 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: NKP_Vet
“It is necessary to have recourse to the Virgin because she can only bring you to God. That's her whole mission. She has nothing of self in it at all. She lives only for God and to bring you to God,”

Where in the Bible is this stated? Where in scripture does it say that only Mary, the mother of Jesus, brings us to God?

John 14:6 ... Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

4 posted on 10/11/2013 9:25:29 AM PDT by nfldgirl
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To: .45 Long Colt

One of “Reformed” Christianity’s many ills: setting the Incarnate God against His Mother.


5 posted on 10/11/2013 9:26:38 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: NKP_Vet
Hail Mary, Full of Grace, The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of death.

Adding words to scripture warrants a very special curse, from what I've read.

6 posted on 10/11/2013 9:27:44 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Mean Maryjean
"Only" isn't being used a modifier of exclusivity. It's a correction of the "Reformed" error that Marian devotion can only lead someone away from Christ, or that it detracts from the honor due to Him. How absurd!
7 posted on 10/11/2013 9:28:54 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: NKP_Vet
When Yah'shua died on the cross,
the Temple veil was rent asunder.

The sacrifice of the Lamb of G-d
has erased all sin for who so ever asks.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

8 posted on 10/11/2013 9:29:04 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Pyro7480; .45 Long Colt
.45 Long Colt only quoted the scriptures. Where do you get "reformed Christianity" from that?

Are you against scripture? Or do you believe that us rough peasants aren't qualified to handle it?

9 posted on 10/11/2013 9:29:49 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Only Jesus can bring us to God.

Mary was a mortal woman and she is now a dead mortal with even less power.


10 posted on 10/11/2013 9:29:59 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: .45 Long Colt
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

EXACTLY

11 posted on 10/11/2013 9:30:31 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: fwdude
We mere peasants still believe that Christ had something EVERYTHING to do with Christianity. Silly us.
12 posted on 10/11/2013 9:31:48 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: fwdude
It's a quotation of Scripture in a prayer, not an attempt to rewrite Scripture.


13 posted on 10/11/2013 9:32:01 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: NKP_Vet

My darling wife was a “cradle Catholic” and walked away from her faith in the 60s during the hippie days. Three years ago she was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and given just a few months to live. While I was not Catholic or a church goer, I guess I was what some call spiritual. Anyway, not long after my wife’s diagnosis, a friend of hers brought over a statue of the Holy Mother. My wife instantly brightened and held it close. Not long after I visited the local priest and he came to our house and took 40 years worth of Confession from her. Being back with her Faith gave my wife the strength to face her trial. I saw the peace and love that Mary shared with my girl. She passed gently not long after. That love and hope led a hopeless sinner (me) to convert to the Catholic Church. The Holy Virgin led me to her Son and I was forgiven. It really is never too late.


14 posted on 10/11/2013 9:34:04 AM PDT by W.Lee
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To: fwdude
45 Long Colt only quoted the scriptures. Where do you get "reformed Christianity" from that?

It's using Scripture to further a false end.

Are you against scripture? Or do you believe that us rough peasants aren't qualified to handle it?

Us "peasants" wouldn't be reading Scripture if generations of Catholic monks didn't spend many of their waking hours copying and meditating on them.

15 posted on 10/11/2013 9:34:34 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Pyro7480

Us peasants wouldn’t be allowed a copy if the reformation hadn’t happened.


16 posted on 10/11/2013 9:35:23 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL; fwdude

The point is an oversimplification, as Christ still appointed Apostles and disciples to spread His message. Yet, the spiritual children of the “Reformers” still illegitimately deny the authority of their successors.


17 posted on 10/11/2013 9:37:04 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: .45 Long Colt

The word “Jesus” does not appear in this article.

I am not surprised.


18 posted on 10/11/2013 9:37:19 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: NKP_Vet

Bookmark


19 posted on 10/11/2013 9:38:03 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: GeronL
Us peasants wouldn’t be allowed a copy if the reformation hadn’t happened.

False claim -- this cradle Catholic has multiple editions of the non-redacted Bible.

20 posted on 10/11/2013 9:38:06 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Mean Maryjean

Read the text you quoted. Note that it doesn’t say that “only Mary” can bring you to Jesus. It says that Mary “can only” bring you to Jesus.

Where in the Bible does it say that ONLY the Bible is a source of religious truth?


21 posted on 10/11/2013 9:39:02 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: NKP_Vet

Wow. It took just a few minutes for the Catholic-bashers to come out.


22 posted on 10/11/2013 9:39:34 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: GeronL
The word “Jesus” does not appear in this article. I am not surprised.

Yet, He is still mentioned.

The importance of Mary's role in the modern Church is shown most clearly in the annunciation, he said, where the angel Gabriel appeared to the Blessed Mother and told her she would give birth to the Son of God.

23 posted on 10/11/2013 9:40:13 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Pyro7480

Yes, because I was talking about right now.


24 posted on 10/11/2013 9:40:15 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: fwdude

Nobody has ever said that the “Hail, Mary” is part of Scripture. Nobody has ever “added” the “Hail, Mary” to Scripture.

What are you talking about?


25 posted on 10/11/2013 9:40:51 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: Pyro7480

I merely quoted Scripture without commentary. Your argument is with the plain Word of God, not me.

“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” (Hebrews 4:12)


26 posted on 10/11/2013 9:42:19 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Arthur McGowan

I see your point.


27 posted on 10/11/2013 9:44:32 AM PDT by nfldgirl
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To: .45 Long Colt; Mean Maryjean

This verse is very clear. However...

It is an exercise in futility to quote the Bible to Catholics, as THEY DO NOT BELIEVE THE BIBLE. So I’ve been told by R.C. friends. They think some of the Bible is true, but everything the Pope says is true.

To make a point, when I ask them if I get to disregard the things in the Bible I don’t like, perhaps, “Thou shalt not kill”, would that be OK? If they can pick and choose, why can’t I?


28 posted on 10/11/2013 9:45:41 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam ("A hyphenated American is not an American at all." Teddy Roosevelt)
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Where in the Bible does it say that ONLY the Bible is a source of religious truth?

Do you look to the scribbling of Sinful man for the truth.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
29 posted on 10/11/2013 9:45:42 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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I'm not surprised. Perhaps, it's the foul weather where I am that has my fuse short for them today in particular.

Not to mention the fact that is a Marian feast day on the Extraordinary Form calendar: Feast of the Divine Maternity

30 posted on 10/11/2013 9:47:33 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: GeronL

When the course of her life on earth was completed, Mary was taken, body and soul, into heaven.

It is an interesting fact that no one in the history of the world has ever claimed to possess a relic from the body of Mary. The complete absence of such a claim is conclusive evidence that even those inclined to make fraudulent claims of that sort have known from the beginning of Christianity that no one would give such a claim any credence.

In other words, belief in the bodily Assumption of Mary into heaven dates all the way back to the Apostles.

Put another way, we can be certain that, if Mary had died and been buried, there would have been both genuine and fraudulent claims regarding relics. There have been no such claims. Therefore, she was bodily assumed into heaven.


31 posted on 10/11/2013 9:48:26 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: .45 Long Colt
I merely quoted Scripture without commentary. Your argument is with the plain Word of God, not me.

The "Reformed" interpretation of the Scripture is implied.

32 posted on 10/11/2013 9:48:31 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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Us "peasants" wouldn't be reading Scripture if generations of Catholic monks didn't spend many of their waking hours copying and meditating on them.

All of which matters not one bit in the current discussion.

33 posted on 10/11/2013 9:49:25 AM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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Wow. It took just a few minutes for the Catholic-bashers to come out.

Why do you call any follower of the Christ
who quotes the Holy WORD of G-d, catholic bashers ?
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
34 posted on 10/11/2013 9:51:15 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Read the common quote from the first post, which is, if I’m not mistaken, taken from the Rosary. No attempt is made to differentiate the ADDED part at the end from the scriptural part at the beginning.


35 posted on 10/11/2013 9:52:14 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Mean Maryjean; NYer; Salvation

Mean Maryjean, it is not “only Mary brings you to God.” We all know that it is only through Jesus that we can come to the Father and receive the grace of the Holy Spirit. The statement is that Mary can only bring you to God. The only thing Mary can do is help bring us into a closer relationship to God.


36 posted on 10/11/2013 9:52:24 AM PDT by rwa265 (Compete well for the faith, lay hold of eternal life (1 Timothy 6))
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No one was prohibited from owning a copy of Scripture before the Reformation.

What was prohibitive was the cost.

It never ceases to amaze me that anyone buys the notion that Jesus intended the personal reading and personal interpretation of Scripture to be the ONLY source of knowledge about him, when during his lifetime on earth, and for 1500 years after, the cost of a copy of the Bible was astronomical, and the vast majority of people were illiterate.


37 posted on 10/11/2013 9:53:47 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: Mean Maryjean

This is very sophomoric. “Son Behold Thy Mother”! Having shed his last drop of blood for mankind, Christ gave us all what He loved most: His mother.

The Bible did not fall from the skies. For the first 60-100 years after the death of Christ, His apostles and disciples practiced the received traditions and teachings of the time. It was the Catholic Church and the early Fathers who sorted out the various writings and the early Councils that gave us what we today called the Bible. As we say “To Jesus through Mary” like the wedding guests at Cana learned.


38 posted on 10/11/2013 9:54:14 AM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Pyro7480

Your conscience indicts you, FRiend. You know what the Bible teaches and you reject it.


39 posted on 10/11/2013 9:55:17 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: fwdude

So? I’ve been aware since about the age of six that the first part came directly from the gospel, and the latter part didn’t.


40 posted on 10/11/2013 9:55:53 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: Arthur McGowan

wow. Where is that stated in the Bible?

You believe Mary is a goddess?

wow.


42 posted on 10/11/2013 9:58:25 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: NKP_Vet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hail_Mary


43 posted on 10/11/2013 10:00:46 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: Arthur McGowan

SO, Jesus was crucified and was resurrected. bBut Mary never died. So she is superior to Jesus, obviously.

lol


44 posted on 10/11/2013 10:01:01 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

The word “Jesus” does not appear in this article.


Jesus is mentioned in the first sentence.

“. . . the Blessed Mother serves to bring people to Jesus.”


45 posted on 10/11/2013 10:01:06 AM PDT by rwa265 (Compete well for the faith, lay hold of eternal life (1 Timothy 6))
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To: fwdude

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hail_Mary


46 posted on 10/11/2013 10:01:07 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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No one was prohibited from owning a copy of Scripture before the Reformation.

What was prohibitive was the cost.

It never ceases to amaze me that anyone buys the notion that Jesus intended the personal reading and personal interpretation of Scripture to be the ONLY source of knowledge about him, when during his lifetime on earth, and for 1500 years after, the cost of a copy of the Bible was astronomical, and the vast majority of people were illiterate.

Paul in the book of Acts commends us to go
to the Synagogue on Shabbat to hear
the WORD of G-d.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
47 posted on 10/11/2013 10:02:58 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: NKP_Vet
"Pope Francis' entrustment of the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary"

Tells us all the heresy we need to know.

48 posted on 10/11/2013 10:03:31 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: W.Lee

Welcome Home Brother......and God Bless You. My condolecents on your wife’s passing and I am happy that Mother Mary led her back home to the Catholic Church.


49 posted on 10/11/2013 10:05:38 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Arthur McGowan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelus

Note that the point of the Angelus is to celebrate, three times a day, the Incarnation. “And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us.” So much for directing the mind “away” from Jesus!


50 posted on 10/11/2013 10:05:39 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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