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Pope consecrates world to immaculate heart of Mary
Radio Vaticana ^ | 10/13/2013

Posted on 10/13/2013 6:13:00 AM PDT by markomalley

The Pope celebrated mass in St Peter’s square this morning in honour of the Marian Day, an event organised as part of the Year of Faith on the anniversary of the final apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary at Fatima (13th of October 1917).

Please find below the full text of Pope Francis’ homily in English translation.


In the Psalm we said: “Sing to the Lord a new song, for he has done marvelous things” (Ps 98:1). Today we consider one of the marvelous things which the Lord has done: Mary! A lowly and weak creature like ourselves, she was chosen to be the Mother of God, the Mother of her Creator.

Considering Mary in the light of the readings we have just heard, I would like to reflect with you on three things: first, God surprises us, second, God asks us to be faithful, and third, God is our strength.

First: God surprises us. The story of Naaman, the commander of the army of the king of Aram, is remarkable. In order to be healed of leprosy, he turns to the prophet of God, Elisha, who does not perform magic or demand anything unusual of him, but asks him simply to trust in God and to wash in the waters of the river. Not, however, in one of the great rivers of Damascus, but in the little stream of the Jordan. Naaman is left surprised, even taken aback. What kind of God is this who asks for something so simple? He wants to turn back, but then he goes ahead, he immerses himself in the Jordan and is immediately healed (cf. 2 Kg 5:1-4). There it is: God surprises us. It is precisely in poverty, in weakness and in humility that he reveals himself and grants us his love, which saves us, heals us and gives us strength. He asks us only to obey his word and to trust in him.

This was the experience of the Virgin Mary. At the message of the angel, she does not hide her surprise. It is the astonishment of realizing that God, to become man, had chosen her, a simple maid of Nazareth. Not someone who lived in a palace amid power and riches, or one who had done extraordinary things, but simply someone who was open to God and put her trust in him, even without understanding everything: “Here I am, the servant of the Lord; let it be with me according to your word” (Lk 1:38). That was her answer. God constantly surprises us, he bursts our categories, he wreaks havoc with our plans. And he tells us: trust me, do not be afraid, let yourself be surprised, leave yourself behind and follow me!

Today let us all ask ourselves whether we are afraid of what God might ask, or of what he does ask. Do I let myself be surprised by God, as Mary was, or do I remain caught up in my own safety zone: in forms of material, intellectual or ideological security, taking refuge in my own projects and plans? Do I truly let God into my life? How do I answer him?

In the passage from Saint Paul which we have heard, the Apostle tells his disciple Timothy: remember Jesus Christ. If we persevere with him, we will also reign with him (cf. 2 Tim 2:8-13). This is the second thing: to remember Christ always – to be mindful of Jesus Christ – and thus to persevere in faith. God surprises us with his love, but he demands that we be faithful in following him. We can be unfaithful, but he cannot: he is “the faithful one” and he demands of us that same fidelity. Think of all the times when we were excited about something or other, some initiative, some task, but afterwards, at the first sign of difficulty, we threw in the towel. Sadly, this also happens in the case of fundamental decisions, such as marriage. It is the difficulty of remaining steadfast, faithful to decisions we have made and to commitments we have made. Often it is easy enough to say “yes”, but then we fail to repeat this “yes” each and every day. We fail to be faithful.

Mary said her “yes” to God: a “yes” which threw her simple life in Nazareth into turmoil, and not only once. Any number of times she had to utter a heartfelt “yes” at moments of joy and sorrow, culminating in the “yes” she spoke at the foot of the Cross. Here today there are many mothers present; think of the full extent of Mary’s faithfulness to God: seeing her only Son hanging on the Cross. The faithful woman, still standing, utterly heartbroken, yet faithful and strong.

And I ask myself: am I a Christian by fits and starts, or am I a Christian full-time? Our culture of the ephemeral, the relative, also takes its toll on the way we live our faith. God asks us to be faithful to him, daily, in our everyday life. He goes on to say that, even if we are sometimes unfaithful to him, he remains faithful. In his mercy, he never tires of stretching out his hand to lift us up, to encourage us to continue our journey, to come back and tell him of our weakness, so that he can grant us his strength. This is the real journey: to walk with the Lord always, even at moments of weakness, even in our sins. Never to prefer a makeshift path of our own. That kills us. Faith is ultimate fidelity, like that of Mary.

The last thing: God is our strength. I think of the ten lepers in the Gospel who were healed by Jesus. They approach him and, keeping their distance, they call out: “Jesus, Master, have mercy on us!” (Lk 17:13). They are sick, they need love and strength, and they are looking for someone to heal them. Jesus responds by freeing them from their disease. Strikingly, however, only one of them comes back, praising God and thanking him in a loud voice. Jesus notes this: ten asked to be healed and only one returned to praise God in a loud voice and to acknowledge that he is our strength. Knowing how to give thanks, to give praise for everything that the Lord has done for us.

Take Mary. After the Annunciation, her first act is one of charity towards her elderly kinswoman Elizabeth. Her first words are: “My soul magnifies the Lord”, in other words, a song of praise and thanksgiving to God not only for what he did for her, but for what he had done throughout the history of salvation. Everything is his gift. If we can realise that everything is God’s gift, how happy will our hearts be! Everything is his gift. He is our strength! Saying “thank you” is such an easy thing, and yet so hard! How often do we say “thank you” to one another in our families? These are essential words for our life in common. “Excuse me”, “sorry”, “thank you”. If families can say these three things, they will be fine. “Excuse me”, “sorry”, “thank you”. How often do we say “thank you” in our families? How often do we say “thank you” to those who help us, those close to us, those at our side throughout life? All too often we take everything for granted! This happens with God too. It is easy to approach the Lord to ask for something, but to go and thank him: “Well, I don’t need to”.

As we continue our celebration of the Eucharist, let us invoke Mary’s intercession. May she help us to be open to God’s surprises, to be faithful to him each and every day, and to praise and thank him, for he is our strength. Amen.


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Pope renews act consecration to Our Lady of Fatima

In front of the image of the Virgin Mary carried to St Peter's Square from Fatima , Pope Francis renewed the Act of consecration to Mary. " Act we carry out with confidence, confident that each of us is precious in your sight and that nothing is alien to you".

"We celebrate with you - he said - the mighty works of God, who never gets tired of bending over mankind, beset by evil and wounded by sin, with mercy to heal and to save it.  Mother embrace with benevolence this act of entrustment that we make today with confidence, before this your image which is so dear to us. We are confident that each of us is precious in your sight and that nothing is alien to you of all that dwells in our hearts.

We are touched by the gaze of your sweet eyes and welcome the comforting caress of your smile. Safeguard our lives in your arms: bless and strengthen every desire for goodness, revitalize and nourish our faith, sustain and brighten the hope that stirs the soul and charity ; guide all of us on the path of holiness. Teach us your same love and preference for the young and the poor, the marginalized and the suffering, for sinners and those whose hearts are lost: gather all under your protection and deliver us all to your beloved Son , our Lord Jesus. "

The Act took place at the end of the Mass celebrated for the " Marian Day" on the occasion of the Year of Faith . The Day began yesterday, when the statue of the Virgin of Fatima arrived in Rome gathering more than 100 thousand people to St Peter's Square, even today.

To them, in the course of the Mass, the Pope spoke of the three "realities" seen "by looking to Mary" who is "one of the wonders of the Lord: "God surprises us, God asks us to be faithful, God is our strength".  This led Francis to reflect on the question "Do I truly let God into my life ? How do I respond to Him ?"; whether " Am I a Christian by fits and starts, or am I a Christian full-time?" in a " culture of the ephemeral, the relative, also takes it toll on the way we live our faith " and if , finally , I know how to give " thanks, praise for what the Lord does for us", because "everything is his gift , He is our strength . "

The first "reality ", therefore, is that " God surprises us ." God surprises us.  It is precisely in poverty, in weakness and  in humility that he reveals himself and grants us his love, which saves us, heals us and gives us strength.  He asks us only to obey his word and to trust in him.             This was the experience of the Virgin Mary.  At the message of the angel, she does not hide her surprise.  It is the astonishment of realizing that God, to become man, had chosen her, a simple maid of Nazareth: not someone who lived in a palace amid power and riches, or who had done extraordinary things, but simply someone who was open to God and put her trust in him, even without understanding everything: "Here I am, the servant of the Lord; let it be with me according to your word" (Lk 1:38).  God always surprises us, he bursts our categories, he wreaks havoc with our plans.  And he tells us: Trust me, do not be afraid, let yourself be surprised, leave yourself behind and follow me!"

"Today let us all ask ourselves: Do I fear what God might ask of me, or what he does ask of me?  Do I let myself be surprised by God, as Mary was, or do I remain caught up in my own security, in my plans?  Do I truly let God into my life?  How do I respond to him?" .

"The second point is "to remember Christ always and to persevere in faith.  God surprises us with his love, but he asks us to be faithful in following him.  Think of all the times we were excited about something or other, some initiative, some task, but then, at the first sign of difficulty, we threw in the towel.  Sadly, this also happens in the case of fundamental decisions, such as marriage. It is the difficulty of remaining steadfast, faithful to decisions we have made and to commitments we have taken on.  Often it is easy enough to say "yes", but then we fail to repeat this "yes" each and every day."

"Mary said her "yes" to God: a "yes" which upset her simple life in Nazareth, and not only once.  Any number of times she had to utter a heartfelt "yes" at moments moments of joy and sorrow, culminating in the "yes" she spoke at the foot of the Cross.  Here today there are many mothers present; think of the full extent of Mary's faithfulness to God: seeing her only Son on the cross".

"Am I a Christian by fits and starts, or am I a Christian full-time?  The culture of the ephemeral, the relative, also takes it toll on the way we live our faith.  God asks us to be faithful to him, daily, in our everyday actions.  He goes on to say that, even if we are sometimes unfaithful to him, he remains faithful.  In his mercy, he never tires of stretching out his hand to lift us up, to encourage us to continue our journey, to come back and tell him of our weakness, so that he can grant us his strength".


"The last thing: God is our strength.  I think of the ten lepers in the Gospel who were healed by Jesus.  They approach him, and keeping their distance, they call out: "Jesus, Master, have mercy on us!" (Lk 17:13).  They are sick, they need love and strength, and they are looking for someone to heal them.  Jesus responds by freeing them from their disease.  Strikingly, however, only one of them comes back, praising God and thanking him in a loud voice.  Jesus notes this: ten asked to be healed and only one returned to praise God in a loud voice and to acknowledge that he is our strength.  To know how to give thanks, to give praise for everything that the Lord has done for us".

"Let us look to Mary.  After the Annunciation, her first act is one of charity towards her elderly kinswoman Elizabeth.  Her first words are: "My soul magnifies the Lord" - the Magnificat, a canticle of praise and thanksgiving to God not only for what he did for her, but for what he has done throughout the history of salvation.  Everything is his gift; he is our strength!  Saying "thank you" is so easy, and yet so hard!  How often do we say "thank you" to one another in our families?  How often do we say "thank you" to those who help us, those close to us, those at our side throughout life?  Often we take everything for granted!  This happens with God too".


"Let us invoke Mary's intercession.  May she help us to be open to God's surprises, to be faithful to him each and every day, and to praise and thank him, for he is our strength."

The act of consecration made ​​today by Pope Francis follows those made by John Paul II. The first took place on June 7, 1981 , in Santa Maria Maggiore. The Pope was absent as a result of the assassination attempt on 13 May, but a prayer he had composed for the occasion was read. The act was renewed in Fatima May 13, 1982 and repeated March 25, 1984 in St. Peter's Square in Rome , in spiritual union with all the bishops of the world, including the Russian Orthodox bishops .

 

1 posted on 10/13/2013 6:13:00 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_sun


2 posted on 10/13/2013 7:00:08 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: markomalley

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_lady_of_fatima


3 posted on 10/13/2013 7:11:31 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: All

Yiippeeee!!! Prayers to Mary. Intercession to Mary. Marian Day. But NO!!! We don’t worship Mary. Riigghhtt. I like the Mary said “yes” in quotation marks when she never said the word “yes”. Nice twist on the facts. She never said yes to anything because she was never asked anything. She was told.


4 posted on 10/13/2013 7:33:49 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob

Why tell us how much you disrespect Mary? Go to her Son, Jesus Christ, and tell Him.


5 posted on 10/13/2013 7:53:04 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: BipolarBob

Bob, I wouldn’t press that phrase, “twist on the facts”, when there you sit, critically uninformed, but fairly preening about your low information condition. It’s embarrassing.


6 posted on 10/13/2013 8:00:55 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: BipolarBob

Don’t mock ... JP2 did this for Russia and communism died there not long after.


7 posted on 10/13/2013 9:07:18 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: BipolarBob
She was told.

She was told? Last I checked, we had free will.

8 posted on 10/13/2013 9:12:27 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Democrats are Cruz'n for a Bruisin' in 2016.)
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To: BlessedBeGod
She was told? Last I checked, we had free will.

Go back and re-read the the Bible. See if there was a question that asked her to if she would like to do something. See if there is a verse which she says "yes" in quotation marks. Chapter and verse please.

9 posted on 10/13/2013 10:56:30 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: RitaOK
Bob, I wouldn’t press that phrase, “twist on the facts”

Who is now twisting the facts? Chapter and verse on the "yes" in quotation marks to a request.

10 posted on 10/13/2013 10:57:50 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: mlizzy

“Why tell us how much you disrespect Mary?”


How do you conclude from a protest against worshipping Mary as a goddess to “you disrespect Mary”? So if we don’t kneel before her altar and offer prayers, we are not being respectful to her?


11 posted on 10/13/2013 11:13:56 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (If anyone tells you it's a cookbook, don't believe them.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Because we don't worship Mary. It's all in your viewpoint, not the truth.

Sweet Virgin Mary, please pray for us, and forgive those who dirty your name.
12 posted on 10/13/2013 11:28:06 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: mlizzy

“Because we don’t worship Mary.”


Keep in mind most people aren’t Catholics, and so we’re not brainwashed into thinking that kneeling before altars, offering incense, praying to and exalting people up to the throne of heaven, and pleading for her to save you, is something other than worship.

Don’t expect other people to just think like you guys do, or to feel that not doing what you do is disrespectful to Mary.


13 posted on 10/13/2013 11:44:57 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (If anyone tells you it's a cookbook, don't believe them.)
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To: BipolarBob
she was chosen to be the Mother of God, the Mother of her Creator.

Presumably, according to 'them' God chose Mary to be his mother...How much more pagan can they get???

14 posted on 10/13/2013 11:47:55 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: BipolarBob

You are in a hole. Stop digging.


15 posted on 10/13/2013 11:51:02 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: al_c
Don’t mock ... JP2 did this for Russia and communism died there not long after.

The problem is that Marxism spread to much of the "free" world soon afterward, still in progress and accelerating. I believe that a proper Consecration of Russia still needs to be done.

16 posted on 10/13/2013 11:56:55 AM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: BipolarBob
Mary is for TAX US don't you know, and the bishops call it universal healthcare. Next Mary will be used to sanction an illegal invasion to finish US off. And some will call it ‘holy’.
17 posted on 10/13/2013 11:57:47 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: steve86

Indeed.


18 posted on 10/13/2013 12:05:35 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: al_c

She said clearly “Russia’s errors will spread” and darned if they didn’t do just that.


19 posted on 10/13/2013 12:11:10 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: RitaOK

No chapter and verse? I see. Who’s really doing the digging?


20 posted on 10/13/2013 12:25:25 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: mlizzy
and forgive those who dirty your name.

Someone here has "dirtied" her name? Please. Noone has disrespected her in any way. We just don't idolize her, that's all.

21 posted on 10/13/2013 12:27:05 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: al_c
"Don’t mock ... JP2 did this for Russia and communism died there not long after."

I'm sure you're trying to make a point here but it escapes me. Because I'm not in Catholicland don't assume everyone knows what you are talking about.

22 posted on 10/13/2013 12:29:26 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob

You don’t use chapter and verse, so what do you care? You clearly worship at the alter of your own interpretation of both chapter and verse, master of your own ignorance. I don’t use sacred scripture for a pin ball machine any more, as protestants to the Church are quite willing to do, but I do know my Bible, chapter and verse.

I was where you were. It’s a climb to get serious about the facts, but your “church” is not remotely like the Old Testament pre-figurment of the coming Church. Your adherence to the New Testament priesthood is zero, and your faith stopped cold with the last sentence of the last chapter of the Bible, as if God evaporated, leaving His people with only each other in charge. The Blessed Mother is simply a pedestrian you pop out at Christmas with no appreciation, because you have no clue of Jewish historical context anyway.

It takes a seeker to do his homework. We aren’t gonna do it for you. So, you can stay ions behind the curve, from the fullness of the Church, the faith, and the truth, by your own choice.


23 posted on 10/13/2013 3:33:31 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: RitaOK
"You don’t use chapter and verse, so what do you care?
I don't need a verse to challenge the veracity of the Catholic position that Mary said "yes" to a non-existent request.

"You clearly worship at the alter of your own interpretation of both chapter and verse, master of your own ignorance. "
Based on my challenge to your interpretation?

" The Blessed Mother is simply a pedestrian you pop out at Christmas "
I despise plastic nativity scenes.

"because you have no clue of Jewish historical context anyway."
Untrue allegation my accuser of the brethren. I'm in touch with Jewish context. Does that surprise you or make you angry?

24 posted on 10/13/2013 5:12:10 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob

You’re digging again. Happy in the hole? Enjoy.


25 posted on 10/13/2013 5:51:49 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: RitaOK

No chapter and verse? Only baseless accusations for a comeback. Let me guess, you weren’t captain of the debate team were you?


26 posted on 10/13/2013 6:16:49 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Keep in mind most people aren’t Catholics, and so we’re not brainwashed into thinking that kneeling before altars, offering incense, praying to and exalting people up to the throne of heaven, and pleading for her to save you, is something other than worship.
If you knew the beauty of the Catholic faith, you would most likely become a Catholic yourself. Your viewpoint of the faith is misleading. A correct version is spelled out here: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm
27 posted on 10/13/2013 6:41:47 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: RitaOK
Reading the mind of other Freepers is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

28 posted on 10/13/2013 6:47:16 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: mlizzy

“If you knew the beauty of the Catholic faith, you would most likely become a Catholic yourself. Your viewpoint of the faith is misleading.”


Actually I was a Catholic, and I came out of Babylon some time ago. Nice try anyway, though. If it quacks, it’s a duck. If it kneels before an idol of Mary, it’s a Catholic.


29 posted on 10/13/2013 7:23:27 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (If anyone tells you it's a cookbook, don't believe them.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

My Lord, your commentary is ugly. Is that what your new faith has taught you?


30 posted on 10/13/2013 7:58:07 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: Religion Moderator

The “issue”, here, is anti-Catholic protestants and former Catholics with a grudge, swarming a thread to cast unmerited insults onto Catholics, their faith and practices (of which they are vastly ignorant), got some push back for it instead of hand holding, and I assume shall be permitted to do so without effect.

A testimony experience of a well formed, but former, protestant to a current one is not “mind reading”. It’s a fact.


31 posted on 10/13/2013 7:59:55 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: RitaOK
If the original poster wanted the thread to be restricted to Catholics only, he could have posted it is a "Catholic Caucus." Since he did not, it is "open" by default and all Religion Forum posters are welcome to argue for or against deities, religious authorities, beliefs, etc.

Your post was "making it personal" in this statement:

You clearly worship at the alter of your own interpretation of both chapter and verse, master of your own ignorance.

Discuss the message, not the messenger.
32 posted on 10/13/2013 8:07:27 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: mlizzy

“My Lord, your commentary is ugly. Is that what your new faith has taught you?”


Yes, and praise be to God, that I am as ugly towards your blasphemous practices as I am!


33 posted on 10/13/2013 8:42:36 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (If anyone tells you it's a cookbook, don't believe them.)
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To: Religion Moderator; markomalley

Thank you for the clarification.

I get the picture.

Posting ANY Catholic news without the “caucus” designation is, obviously, begging for an anti-Catholic attack, like a dog whistle, which leads one to wonder if that isn’t the purpose for posting without the designation.

It’s still a little shocking that one can’t give as good as they get on the subject, given the the colossal ignorance of the attackers and the gravity of the attacks.


34 posted on 10/13/2013 8:50:16 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Yes, and praise be to God, that I am as ugly towards your blasphemous practices as I am!
Do you draw anyone to your current faith via your venom? Do you think it's the proper way to encourage Christianity?
35 posted on 10/13/2013 8:50:17 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: mlizzy

“Do you draw anyone to your current faith via your venom? Do you think it’s the proper way to encourage Christianity?”


Keep in mind that just because the heathen rages, doesn’t mean that we have to be worried about offending their sensibilities. If I’m speaking the truth, it’ll always be called ugly by somebody. All I have to do is obey God, and it is God, not man, who converts the soul.

“But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.”
(Joh 6:64-65)


36 posted on 10/13/2013 8:57:40 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (If anyone tells you it's a cookbook, don't believe them.)
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To: RitaOK
...given the the colossal ignorance of the attackers and the gravity of the attacks
My husband used to help me with defending the faith on some of these threads, but he eventually said, "These people don't want to learn anything; if they did, I'd help them out." Then he suggested I stop wasting my time [in the Religion Forum]. Good advice, and I sometimes heed it. :)

But, yes, I agree, many posters have ignorance that could only be weighed on a truck scale.
37 posted on 10/13/2013 9:04:50 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: mlizzy

The religion forum is no place for a practicing Catholic, I’ve learned that. These people need protected status and apparently they’ve got it.

Outside a caucus thread, a fine bait trap works as well. The whole affair calls for a shower. Nice of you to reply and thank you for it.


38 posted on 10/13/2013 9:36:14 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: markomalley; All
I find this history just more than sheer coincedence if not downright amazing.

Pope John Paul II, "united with all the pastors of the Church in a particular bond whereby we constitute a body and a college," consecrates "the whole world, especially the peoples for which by reason of their situation you have particular love and solicitude." Both the Pope and Sr. Lucia initially seemed uncertain that the consecration has been fulfilled, but shortly thereafter Sr. Lucia tells the papal nuncio to Portugal that the Consecration is fulfilled.

May 13, 1984 One of the largest crowds in Fatima history gathers at the shrine to pray the Rosary for peace.

May 13, 1984 An explosion at the Soviets’ Severomorsk Naval Base destroys two-thirds of all the missiles stockpiled for the Soviets’ Northern Fleet. The blast also destroys workshops needed to maintain the missiles as well as hundreds of scientists and technicians. Western military experts called it the worst naval disaster the Soviet Navy has suffered since WWII.

December 1984 Soviet Defense Minister, mastermind of the invasion plans for Western Europe, suddenly and mysteriously dies.

March 10, 1985 Soviet Chairman Konstantin Chernenko dies

March 11, 1985 Soviet Chairman Mikhail Gorbachev elected

April 26, 1986 Chernobyl nuclear reactor accident

May 12, 1988 An explosion wrecked the only factory that made the rocket motors for the Soviets’ deadly SS 24 long-range missiles, which carry ten nuclear bombs each.

August 29, 1989 Sr. Lucia affirms in correspondence that the consecration "has been accomplished" and that "God will keep His word."

November 9, 1989 Fall of the Berlin Wall

Nov-Dec 1989 Peaceful revolutions in Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria and Albania

1990 East and West Germany are unified

December 25, 1991 Dissolution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

39 posted on 10/13/2013 10:32:16 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: johngrace

http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/FatimaConsecration.htm


40 posted on 10/13/2013 10:33:00 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: BipolarBob
Mary! A lowly and weak creature like ourselves, she was chosen to be the Mother of God, the Mother of her Creator.

And here we've been told all along how wonderful she was, so perfect and sinless and holy, which is why God chose her to be the vessel to carry Jesus.

Which is it I wonder?

If she's weak, she's not sinless. If she's just like we are, she not sinless.

42 posted on 10/14/2013 3:56:22 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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To: BlessedBeGod
She was told? Last I checked, we had free will.

Yes, she was told.

Luke 1:30-33 And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.”

Free will? Where in Scripture is that? Chapter and verse, please.

43 posted on 10/14/2013 4:01:02 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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To: RitaOK
"It’s still a little shocking that one can’t give as good as they get on the subject,"

If a repetitious attack (You're digging yourself a hole") is giving as good as you can on defending your point of view then you shouldn't be on here with the adults while they're discussing a topic. Of course you're used to repetitious chants, prayers and that sort of stuff instead of putting your own words in the mix, right?

44 posted on 10/14/2013 5:01:38 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
If I’m speaking the truth, it’ll always be called ugly by somebody. All I have to do is obey God, and it is God, not man, who converts the soul.
The saints spoke the Truth, but not in ugly fashion. If one has to reduce themselves to that type of delivery, is their faith really that strong to begin with?

And Catholics don't believe men can convert either. If that were true, our four kids would still be going to Mass, as we pray constantly for them.

But just like I'd drive them to Mass [in a heartbeat] if they decided to go but were unable to get there on their own steam, the saints, through the prayers of their parents, "drive" the message of their prayers home to God, and in His own time, He'll answer according to His Will. To be afraid of the saints and Mary (or to think them useless), or to say inaccurate things about them or those who love them, is to shoot oneself in the foot.

For to get to see Jesus when you die, doesn't it stand to reason you'd have to meet [go through] Mary first?, because that's where He came from as a mere Babe, the sinless mother of God. And why would Christ allow anyone into heaven to begin with, if they've treated Mary with so much disdain? You forget that it is Jesus, who loved His mother more deeply than any of us could [all put together], but that doesn't mean we, as Catholics, don't try to emulate His Love for her.
45 posted on 10/14/2013 5:07:09 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: mlizzy
"For to get to see Jesus when you die, doesn't it stand to reason you'd have to meet [go through] Mary first?"

Give us a chapter and verse on that one real quick. Which sermon did Jesus preach on that? Or for that matter, the Apostles? I honestly do not know who comes up with this stuff.

46 posted on 10/14/2013 5:38:28 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: mlizzy
For to get to see Jesus when you die, doesn't it stand to reason you'd have to meet [go through] Mary first?, because that's where He came from as a mere Babe, the sinless mother of God. And why would Christ allow anyone into heaven to begin with, if they've treated Mary with so much disdain?

Jesus isn't off limits to us. Why on earth would anyone think that we have to go through anyone to get to Jesus. He's not untouchable.

He came to earth to live the life we couldn't live and die the death we couldn't die, and pay the price we couldn't pay. He ate and slept and walked and talked with the downtrodden and outcast. He healed the sick, touched the lepers, forgave the adulterers, welcomed the tax collectors.

And somehow Catholicism comes to the conclusion that we have to someone curry His favor to get to Him, like he's up there ready to zap us?

For crying out loud, He willingly came to earth to die for us so that we could be restored to a proper relationship with the Father. He doesn't need to be appeased by Mary for us.

What a warped view of Christ that is.

Mary was His mother, the lady whom He referred to as *Woman*. It was never recorded that He referred to her as *Mom* or some such equivalent. HE never exalted her the way that others do and the one time it was recorded that someone tried, He shot that down really quick.

The Holy Spirit is the one who leads us to Christ, not Mary. She's dead.

47 posted on 10/14/2013 6:08:25 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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To: metmom; mlizzy

Yep. Mary. Still dead.


48 posted on 10/14/2013 6:25:17 AM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: BipolarBob
I honestly do not know who comes up with this stuff.
"Christian culture is essentially a spiritual culture and it finds its supreme expression in the personalities of the saints, the men [and women] who followed the Christian way of life to its ultimate conclusion. The saints influenced culture not only because they were spiritual leaders, but because they were the mirrors of perfection and the ideals of Christian behavior toward which popular devotion aspired." --Christopher Dawson

"The world being unworthy to receive the Son of God directly from the hands of the Father, he gave his Son to Mary for the world to receive him from her." --Saint Augustine, Father and Doctor of the Church

“Never be afraid of loving the Blessed Virgin too much. You can never love her more than Jesus did.” --Saint Maximilian Mary Kolbe, Martyr

”Jesus honored her before all ages, and will honor her for all ages. No one comes to Him, nor even near Him, no one is saved or sanctified, if he too will not honor her. This is the lot of Angels and of men.” --Saint Maximilian Mary Kolbe, Martyr

"To give worthy praise to the Lord's mercy, we unite ourselves with Your Immaculate Mother, for then our hymn will be more pleasing to You, because She is chosen from among men and angels. Through Her, as through a pure crystal, Your mercy was passed on to us. Through Her, man became pleasing to God; Through Her, streams of grace flowed down upon us." (1746) --St. Faustina

”The honor of Mary is so intimately connected with the honor and glory of Jesus that to deny the one is at the same time a denial of the other.” --Blessed William Joseph Chaminade

“If anyone does not believe that Holy Mary is the Mother of God, such a one is a stranger to the Godhead.” --Saint Gregory Nazianzen, Father and Doctor of the Church

“In that first ‘fusion’ with Jesus [holy communion], it was my Heavenly Mother again who accompanied me to the altar for it was she herself who placed her Jesus into my soul.” --Saint Therese of Lisieux, Doctor of the Church

“Always stay close to this Heavenly Mother, because she is the sea to be crossed to reach the shores of Eternal Splendour.” --Saint Padre Pio

“There is no danger of exaggerating. We never hope to fathom this inexpressible mystery nor will we ever be able to give sufficient thanks to our Mother for bringing us into such intimacy with the Blessed Trinity.” --Saint Josemaria Escriva


http://www.whitelilyoftrinity.com/saints_quotes_mary.html
49 posted on 10/14/2013 1:07:00 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: RitaOK

Tips hat to you, Rita; I enjoy your commentary... :)


50 posted on 10/14/2013 1:11:29 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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