Pope consecrates world to immaculate heart of Mary

Radio Vaticana ^ | 10/13/2013

[metmom]

Mary! A lowly and weak creature like ourselves, she was chosen to be the Mother of God, the Mother of her Creator.

And here we've been told all along how wonderful she was, so perfect and sinless and holy, which is why God chose her to be the vessel to carry Jesus.

Which is it I wonder?

If she's weak, she's not sinless. If she's just like we are, she not sinless.

[metmom]

She was told? Last I checked, we had free will.

Yes, she was told.

Luke 1:30-33 And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.”

Free will? Where in Scripture is that? Chapter and verse, please.

[BipolarBob]

"It’s still a little shocking that one can’t give as good as they get on the subject,"

If a repetitious attack (You're digging yourself a hole") is giving as good as you can on defending your point of view then you shouldn't be on here with the adults while they're discussing a topic. Of course you're used to repetitious chants, prayers and that sort of stuff instead of putting your own words in the mix, right?

[mlizzy]

If I’m speaking the truth, it’ll always be called ugly by somebody. All I have to do is obey God, and it is God, not man, who converts the soul.

The saints spoke the Truth, but not in ugly fashion. If one has to reduce themselves to that type of delivery, is their faith really that strong to begin with?

And Catholics don't believe men can convert either. If that were true, our four kids would still be going to Mass, as we pray constantly for them.

But just like I'd drive them to Mass [in a heartbeat] if they decided to go but were unable to get there on their own steam, the saints, through the prayers of their parents, "drive" the message of their prayers home to God, and in His own time, He'll answer according to His Will. To be afraid of the saints and Mary (or to think them useless), or to say inaccurate things about them or those who love them, is to shoot oneself in the foot.

For to get to see Jesus when you die, doesn't it stand to reason you'd have to meet [go through] Mary first?, because that's where He came from as a mere Babe, the sinless mother of God. And why would Christ allow anyone into heaven to begin with, if they've treated Mary with so much disdain? You forget that it is Jesus, who loved His mother more deeply than any of us could [all put together], but that doesn't mean we, as Catholics, don't try to emulate His Love for her.

[BipolarBob]

"For to get to see Jesus when you die, doesn't it stand to reason you'd have to meet [go through] Mary first?"

Give us a chapter and verse on that one real quick. Which sermon did Jesus preach on that? Or for that matter, the Apostles? I honestly do not know who comes up with this stuff.

[metmom]

For to get to see Jesus when you die, doesn't it stand to reason you'd have to meet [go through] Mary first?, because that's where He came from as a mere Babe, the sinless mother of God. And why would Christ allow anyone into heaven to begin with, if they've treated Mary with so much disdain?

Jesus isn't off limits to us. Why on earth would anyone think that we have to go through anyone to get to Jesus. He's not untouchable.

He came to earth to live the life we couldn't live and die the death we couldn't die, and pay the price we couldn't pay. He ate and slept and walked and talked with the downtrodden and outcast. He healed the sick, touched the lepers, forgave the adulterers, welcomed the tax collectors.

And somehow Catholicism comes to the conclusion that we have to someone curry His favor to get to Him, like he's up there ready to zap us?

For crying out loud, He willingly came to earth to die for us so that we could be restored to a proper relationship with the Father. He doesn't need to be appeased by Mary for us.

What a warped view of Christ that is.

Mary was His mother, the lady whom He referred to as *Woman*. It was never recorded that He referred to her as *Mom* or some such equivalent. HE never exalted her the way that others do and the one time it was recorded that someone tried, He shot that down really quick.

The Holy Spirit is the one who leads us to Christ, not Mary. She's dead.

[smvoice]

Yep. Mary. Still dead.

[mlizzy]

I honestly do not know who comes up with this stuff.

"Christian culture is essentially a spiritual culture and it finds its supreme expression in the personalities of the saints, the men [and women] who followed the Christian way of life to its ultimate conclusion. The saints influenced culture not only because they were spiritual leaders, but because they were the mirrors of perfection and the ideals of Christian behavior toward which popular devotion aspired." --Christopher Dawson

"The world being unworthy to receive the Son of God directly from the hands of the Father, he gave his Son to Mary for the world to receive him from her." --Saint Augustine, Father and Doctor of the Church

“Never be afraid of loving the Blessed Virgin too much. You can never love her more than Jesus did.” --Saint Maximilian Mary Kolbe, Martyr

”Jesus honored her before all ages, and will honor her for all ages. No one comes to Him, nor even near Him, no one is saved or sanctified, if he too will not honor her. This is the lot of Angels and of men.” --Saint Maximilian Mary Kolbe, Martyr

"To give worthy praise to the Lord's mercy, we unite ourselves with Your Immaculate Mother, for then our hymn will be more pleasing to You, because She is chosen from among men and angels. Through Her, as through a pure crystal, Your mercy was passed on to us. Through Her, man became pleasing to God; Through Her, streams of grace flowed down upon us." (1746) --St. Faustina

”The honor of Mary is so intimately connected with the honor and glory of Jesus that to deny the one is at the same time a denial of the other.” --Blessed William Joseph Chaminade

“If anyone does not believe that Holy Mary is the Mother of God, such a one is a stranger to the Godhead.” --Saint Gregory Nazianzen, Father and Doctor of the Church

“In that first ‘fusion’ with Jesus [holy communion], it was my Heavenly Mother again who accompanied me to the altar for it was she herself who placed her Jesus into my soul.” --Saint Therese of Lisieux, Doctor of the Church

“Always stay close to this Heavenly Mother, because she is the sea to be crossed to reach the shores of Eternal Splendour.” --Saint Padre Pio

“There is no danger of exaggerating. We never hope to fathom this inexpressible mystery nor will we ever be able to give sufficient thanks to our Mother for bringing us into such intimacy with the Blessed Trinity.” --Saint Josemaria Escriva

http://www.whitelilyoftrinity.com/saints_quotes_mary.html

[mlizzy]

Tips hat to you, Rita; I enjoy your commentary... :)

[mlizzy]

What happened to your commentary where you left some bible verses that RitaOK and I were supposed to read to understand why it's necessary to keep placing these types of threads up without any protection or more importantly to me anyway without any feedback from you [other than to give the business to two sincere Catholics, Rita and me:)].

Yes, I realize no one would show up for a dog fight if one of the dogs was in a cage, but to keep repeatedly hanging meat [Mary] over the heads of barking dogs? Is this the way one encourages Catholicism/living the Catholic faith? Who are your works intended to be for? And why do you post and run?

[BipolarBob]

You can certainly quote other peoples opinions. But they’re like elbows, about everyone has a couple.

[markomalley]

I guess somebody decided that my comment was somehow unacceptable. Not sure exactly why, but, whatever.

I had suggested Psalm 2 and Psalm 16.

The point I was getting at was that several years ago I remember Catholics posting articles as “caucus” only to have a non-Catholic post the very same article a few hours later as “open” — and then proceeded to do what they were going to do anyway.

Sorry if you perceived that as “giving you the business” — that was not my intent.

And, as far as “posting and running” — I don’t “post and run.” If a non-Catholic has a legitimate question or has an intelligent point to make, I’ll respond. But otherwise, I just know how to ignore the garbage.

In the words of the illustrious management of this forum, “The demeanor of the poster says more about his own confession than the post says about yours. When he is being rude or mean it drives people away from his confession and towards yours. That is of course if you can resist the urge to meet fire with fire, in which case neither confession is appealing to the lurkers. The poster who “turns the other cheek” wins every single time.”

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

“For to get to see Jesus when you die, doesn’t it stand to reason you’d have to meet [go through] Mary first?, because that’s where He came from as a mere Babe, the sinless mother of God. “

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It’s blasphemous, number one, since it places Mary into the Trinity and the pathway to salvation. I am quite confident that you are still in your sins, since there is simply no way that someone who has the Spirit could make such unholy confessions. Even most Catholics blush at these statements. It’s also worth noting that the scripture says that all have sinned. It is biblically illiterate, and ignores the actual sequence of salvation as explained in the scripture, which begins, first, with the predestination of God, who chose us in Him before the foundation of the world without regard for our merits: “Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,”(2Ti 1:9). And then the working of the Holy Spirit, who applies the finished work of Christ and brings us to salvation, not through Mary: “No man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost” (1Co 12:3).

Please spare me your blasphemous and insipid comments. I don’t care how offended you are or how hurt you are. I have no reason to respect these ugly and disgusting beliefs.

[mlizzy]

And, as far as “posting and running” — I don’t “post and run.” If a non-Catholic has a legitimate question or has an intelligent point to make, I’ll respond. But otherwise, I just know how to ignore the garbage.

Yes, but it's mainly garbage. So why post when you know what you're about to receive? Does this make Our Lady happy? All this junk. What do you think? And I understand not caucusing threads. But IMO it would be best if you defended Our Lady when doing so.

And thank you for responding. I appreciate it. :)

[mlizzy]

Even most Catholics blush at these statements...I have no reason to respect these ugly and disgusting beliefs.

Did you think I came up with this on my own? Ha! Did you see my post #49?

And most Catholics are blushing? Really. Who?

[mlizzy]

I am quite confident that you are still in your sins, since there is simply no way that someone who has the Spirit could make such unholy confessions.

P.S. I never said Mary was part of the Trinity. You did. Be careful how you read things.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

“Did you think I came up with this on my own? Ha! Did you see my post #49? “

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What do I care when you have no respect for the scripture? But incase you think your fiction has always been held, here are the true quotes from Augustine on the matter (there are a few fakes floating around!):

” It is written in the Gospel, of the mother and brethren of Christ, that is, His kindred after the flesh, that, when word had been brought to Him, and they were standing without, because they could not come to Him by reason of the crowd, He made answer, “Who is My mother? Or who are My brethren?” And stretching forth His Hand over His disciples, He says, “These are My brethren: and whosoever shall have done the will of My Father, that man is to Me brother, and mother, and sister.” What else teaching us, than to prefer to kindred after the flesh, our descent after the Spirit: and that men are not blessed for this reason, that they are united by nearness of flesh unto just and holy men, but that, by obeying and following, they cleave unto their doctrine and conduct. Therefore Mary is more blessed in receiving the faith of Christ, than in conceiving the flesh of Christ. For to a certain one who said, “Blessed is the womb, which bare You,” He Himself made answer, “Yea, rather, blessed are they who hear the Word of God, and keep it.” (Augustine, On Holy Virginity)

“But rather were those disciples brethren; for even those kinsmen would not be brethren were they not disciples: and to no advantage brethren, if they did not recognize their brother as their master. For in a certain place, when He was informed that His mother and His brethren were standing without, at the time He was speaking to His disciples, He said: “Who is my mother? Or who are my brethren?” And stretching out His hand over His disciples, He said, “These are my brethren; and, Whosoever shall do the will of my Father, the same is my mother, and brother, and sister.” Matthew 12:46-50 Therefore also Mary, because she did the will of the Father. What the Lord magnified in her was, that she did the will of the Father, not that flesh gave birth to flesh. Give good heed, beloved. Moreover, when the Lord was regarded with admiration by the multitude, while doing signs and wonders, and showing forth what lay concealed under the flesh, certain admiring souls said: “Happy is the womb that bare You:” and He said, “Yea, rather, happy are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.” Luke 11:27 That is to say, even my mother, whom you have called happy, is happy in that she keeps the word of God: not because in her the Word was made flesh and dwelt in us; but because she keeps that same word of God by which she was made, and which in her was made flesh. Let not men rejoice in temporal offspring, but let them exult if in spirit they are joined to God.” (Augustine, Tractate 10)

[narses]

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.

She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.

(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

“P.S. I never said Mary was part of the Trinity.”

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Oy, who said Papists don’t blush? What is she then, if one has to go through her to come to Jesus?

Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.