Skip to comments.SSPX leader denounces Vatican II, Novus Ordo liturgy [Catholic/SSPX Caucus]
Posted on 10/16/2013 8:48:30 AM PDT by NYer
The head of the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) has denounced Vatican II, described the post-conciliar liturgy as evil, and said that he is grateful the group never reached an accommodation with the Holy See.
In a provocative address to the Kansas City audience, Bishop Bernard Fellay said: It is has never been our intention to pretend either that the Council would be considered as good, or the New Mass would be legitimate. He said that although the Novus Ordo Mass introduced after Vatican II may be valid, The New Mass is bad, it is evil.
Bishop Fellay told SSPX supporters that talks with the Vatican, designed to regularize the status of the breakaway traditionalist group, collapsed last June because the Vatican insisted on acceptance of the teachings of Vatican II. The SSPX leader flatly rejected the teaching of Pope Benedict XVI that Vatican II statements should be read in the light of consistent Catholic teaching. The Council is not in continuity with tradition, he said. Its not.
While the SSPX leader said that the hermeutic of continuity preached by Benedict XVI was unrealistic, he acknowledged that the former Pontiff was somewhat sympathetic to the concerns of traditionalists. Under Pope Francis, he said, the gap between the SSPX and the Holy See is widening.
When we see what is happening now, Bishop Fellay said, we thank Godwe thank God!we have been preserved from any kind of agreement with the Vatican.
The harsh words from the SSPX leader appear to signal an end to any realistic hope for a reconciliation between the traditionalist group and the Holy See, and an indefinite continuation of the schism that began in 1988 when the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre ordained Fellay and three other bishops in defiance of orders from Pope John Paul II.
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I’m sorry to say he’s likely right. Schism the likes of which we haven’t seen in centuries may be coming. The modernists will again cull from the priesthood any man who will fight for traditional morality and against sin.
Welcome to the United Church of Rome.
I sense that the chief reason why next spring both Blessed John Paul II and Blessed John XXIII are being declared saints is to be seen as a call to Catholics, both conservative and liberal to be at peace.
Highly doubt it.
Unfortunately, they will have to learn a hard lesson. Let’s pray for them.
Father, please forgive them, for many of them know not what they do.
I know many people will be upset at this news, and say that it is a sin and horrible and so on. However, do they not just follow their consciences? And doesn’t that save them just as it does the atheist? And are we not, as Catholics, called to encourage them to seek what they see as the Good, which is just what they are doing? Or are we at this forum more Catholic than the pope?
The same is true for any individual or group that chooses to separate itself from the Catholic Church. The same argument applies here.
If he was unrepentant, that is between him and God. The Church gave unrepentant murderer and abortion enabler Ted Kennedy an annulment to marry his whore, and then a funeral.
John unintentionally did more harm than good, I fear. A holy man, but misinformed by persuasive modernists.
Cardinal Sean was wrong. Want to repeat that over and over and over again? It’s wrong every single time.
....Yet he is going to be declared a saint with Blessed John Paul II, to keep the peace between the two sides.
I’m OK with Roncalli personally, just the Council. Modernity in moral teaching is the enemy of charity and moral living.
Yes, but it’s a mistake all churchmen make. The part of the Gospel they take most seriously is the woman accused of adultery.
Does this mean, then, that you’re ready to join the sedevacantists?
Bishops Dolan and Williamson await your answer.
All popes following Pius XII are complicit in this creation of a new religion to replace the liturgy, tenants of the Roman Catholic Church.
How, then, can we be a peace when the Church has been hi-jacked by the modernists? Novus Ordo is anathema to Jesus Christ’s Church on earth.
When I post a comment similar to yours pertaining to abortionists or whomever you say we don't know the state of the man's soul (at his death).
The decision of Catholic clergy not to have a Catholic funeral for the man is not a judgment of his interior disposition at the moment of death, nor of his eternal destiny (neither of which we can know), but is a response to the exterior, knowable facts: that he had not practiced the Catholic faith and had expressed no interest in the Sacraments at any point in his adult life.
That's to the best of my knowledge as I understand it: there may be a lot there I don't know.
People still can, and still should, pray for Priebke: May the Lord have mercy on his soul. But I personally think that burying him "in the Church" would have been like kidnapping his corpse and trying to impose a Catholic identity upon a man who had rejected it. It strikes me as an act of presumption, or aggression.
Now this is a flight of fancy on my part, but I can imagine that if there were a Catholic funeral, Mr. Preibke would have risen up in flames, shrieking "No, Goddamn it, keep me away from that Jew Christ!"
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