Posted on 10/16/2013 4:07:09 PM PDT by RBStealth
Tuesday night, I had the opportunity to go the highly anticipated, highly exciting argument between Michael Voris of ChurchMilitant.TV and Mark Shea of Catholic and Enjoying It! sponsored by the Argument of the Month Club of St. Augustine’s in South St. Paul, MN.
For those of you who do not know who either of these are, Michael Voris runs an online apostolate called ChurchMillitant.TV in which he posts daily news stories. Voris is known for being more traditional and incredibly blunt. Mark Shea is probably what you could call a “neo” Catholic, in that he is not going to get excited about anything traditional. He has a blog and has written many books. For the last two years, there have been many squabbles between the two, especially on Mark Shea’s blog. Mark Shea has a problem with Voris telling it as it is and not being “nice”. Mark Shea has been very critical of Voris and his viewership, at times, almost uncharitable (in my eyes). Voris generally ignores Shea’s antics.
The event was well received, and I mean well received. The evening started out with cigars, beer and pretzels with a delicious beer cheese sauce. These weren’t your normal store bought pretzels, but the actual warm, doughy, delicious pretzels that you get at the fair or bakery. This lasted until about 6pm. At 6 we all went to the basement of St. Augustine’s, grabbed seats and waited for the argument to start.
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Thanks so much for posting this! I had been looking forward to some comments, not having heard anything since the announcement of the event. The excellent young journalist/blogger captures my sense quite closely of the two of them, confirming my problems with Shea.
The hairpiece vs the mouthpiece!
I don’t want to see Catholics arguing. St. Paul had some very strong things to say about factionalism in the Body of Christ.
“The evening started out with cigars, beer and pretzels with a delicious beer cheese sauce. These weren’t your normal store bought pretzels, but the actual warm, doughy, delicious pretzels that you get at the fair or bakery.”
I dunno, just not seeing a downside here. 500-600 Catholic men who care enough about it to subject themselves to this kind of treatment can’t be wrong.
Freegards
I guess ... but pretzels and beer might attract just about anyone!
Except those who think cigars, fresh pretzels, beer and delicious beer cheese sauce is gross. See, it is a brilliant self-selecting test. I would have kicked out all who refused, and had the pretzel/cigar/cheese sauce table right at the entrance. You don’t dig such things, just what are you going to bring to the argument anyhow?
Freegards
I used to work with Mike Voris. Won’t say where. Nice guy, and super smart.
That’s an excellent point. They’d have had me at the pretzels, and from there on they could have sacrificed pigs to Dagon, or whatever they wanted.
I don’t want to see Catholics arguing. St. Paul had some very strong things to say about factionalism in the Body of Christ.
And then he rebuked Peter to his face, and wrote about in a letter. Factionalism is bad, but error has no rights. Catholics should always correct error when they meet it, though they should not be hateful in doing so.
Well, that's the kicker, isn't it, because we're all sinners with more of an interest in BEING "right" than in what is Right, no personal prejudice regarding Mr. Voris or Mr. Shea.
Indeed; ancient fish gods and pork go together like fresh pretzels, beer and delicious beer cheese sauce. No vegetables, excepting the cigars. These are the conditions where true arguments may be explored to the last orthodox facet and permutation.
Freegards
My husband says that an unreconstructed Philistine at his office brings in bacon doughnuts every week. They were Mycaenean Greeks, you know, the Philistines. One can use it to spin the Homeric epics, if other interests flag.
I am a proud bacon Trad. SSSPP. That’s The Society of Smoked Salted Pork Purity for those moderns who think sticking two awesome things together automatically increases the worth of the combined result.
Freegards
I was taught that you get extra points for self-denial, so if I want bacon, I have to give it to some spouse or offspring person.
I didn’t get to be this size by eating or anything.
The solution is simple. You must NOT desire bacon as often as digestively possible. In fact, at a certain point, your bacon detestation will become so great that it must indeed be curbed by the discipline of piously consuming large portions of bacon. The points will then accrue as before.
Freegards, it’s bacon logic
“I don’t want to see Catholics arguing.”
Well, iron sharpens iron. Everybody comes out a little smarter perhaps.
Surprised Shea even showed up. Voris all the way!
That actually made sense.
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