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Convicted war criminal's funeral, scheduled at SSPX chapel in Rome, is not held
Catholic Culture ^ | October 15, 2013 | Diogenes

Posted on 10/17/2013 6:47:15 AM PDT by NYer

After the Rome diocese refused to allow a church funeral for Erich Priebke, a funeral for the convicted Nazi war criminal was held in a chapel of the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) outside Rome.

The October 15 funeral for Priebke drew a crowd of protesters, with some shouting “murderer” as the coffin passed by, while counter-protesters gave the fascist salute. Police kept the two groups separate.

Priebke, who was convicted for orchestrating the killing of over 300 Italian civilians in the Ardeatine Caves, died last week at the age of 100. He had never disavowed his Nazi ideology.

CORRECTION: NPR reports that the Priebke funeral was "suspended" because the unruly crowd did not allow for safe passage of the casket. Priebke's remains were taken to an undisclosed location, possibly for cremation.

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TOPICS: Catholic; History; Ministry/Outreach; Worship
KEYWORDS: erichpriebke; funeral; germany; italy; nazi; naziwarcriminal; sspx

1 posted on 10/17/2013 6:47:15 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 10/17/2013 6:48:15 AM PDT by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: NYer

100 years old? That means he was born in 1913. When the Nazis took over in 1933 he was 20 years old—PRIME age for enlisting the mind of the disenfranchised, whether justified of not. Reminds me of the Liza Minelli film, with Joel Grey—great film.


3 posted on 10/17/2013 6:51:12 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: NYer

Why would a Nazi want a church funeral?


4 posted on 10/17/2013 7:07:51 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: NYer
Just shows that once you start dissenting, it quickly becomes apparent that you're just another protestant sect.

The SSPX refused the best offer they were ever going to get, from BXVI. They will get no similar offer from HH Francis.

So they will go steadily further and further off the rails, until they are as irrelevant as that idiot in Arizona or wherever who says HE's the Pope.

Too bad, because they could have strengthened the Church if they had only been willing to bend their stiff necks far enough to repent.

5 posted on 10/17/2013 7:08:38 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: cloudmountain

Berlin Stories by Christopher Isherwood, which was adapted to Cabaret.


6 posted on 10/17/2013 8:01:41 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: NYer

Mercy and forgiveness or impossible sin?


7 posted on 10/17/2013 8:20:19 AM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: cloudmountain
the Liza Minelli film, with Joel Grey

Kind of gay, but entertaining. I liked the song Money Makes the World Go Round.

8 posted on 10/17/2013 9:26:57 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Let your 'Yes' mean 'Yes,' and your 'No' mean 'No.' Matthew 5:37)
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To: NYer

They should have said a few prayers at the cemetery and left it at that.


9 posted on 10/17/2013 9:28:11 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Let your 'Yes' mean 'Yes,' and your 'No' mean 'No.' Matthew 5:37)
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To: NYer

I happen to believe that we need to be consistent. If we can hold a funeral for Kennedy (pro-abortion) then we can hold a funeral for a Nazi (pro-murder). Neither seemed to have publically recanted their non-Catholic beliefs.


10 posted on 10/17/2013 2:22:08 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv
I happen to believe that we need to be consistent. If we can hold a funeral for Kennedy (pro-abortion) then we can hold a funeral for a Nazi (pro-murder). Neither seemed to have publically recanted their non-Catholic beliefs.

I follow your train of thought and agree that both crimes are equally reprehensible. The significant difference here is that we know the Nazi was not repentant, as per his attorney. We don't know what Kennedy said in private confession on his deathbed.

11 posted on 10/17/2013 3:09:26 PM PDT by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: NYer

I happen to think that both men should have re-canted publically due to the public nature of their sins.


12 posted on 10/17/2013 4:29:46 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv

Check the Sam Donaldson interview. Priebke admitted his crime. He said he was a Nazi until 1945 and was glad it was over. He said he didn’t want to carry out the order and he was sorry for the victims. Current reports state he had been suffering dementia and had been watching cartoons, so I would discount the “last testament”.

I don’t think Priebke converted to Catholicism until he was in Argentina.

Cradle Catholic, Ted Kennedy is a different story.


13 posted on 10/17/2013 6:13:33 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: AnAmericanMother
Just shows that once you start dissenting, it quickly becomes apparent that you're just another protestant sect.

I really can't see it that way, because the Church of the Vatican changed (modernized/progressed), abandoning centuries of tradition, whereas the SSPX and others stayed the same. From my vantage point it appears Francis' church is the protestant sect.

But personally I stick with the FSSP and diocese extraordinary forms, insulated from modern heresy as they are. Hope it stays that way.

14 posted on 10/17/2013 6:22:52 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: steve86
I understand your position (I don't like a lot of the positions taken by modern bishops). On the other hand, if you read the actual documents, there's not much there other than loopholes that would never have been taken advantage of without the aggiornamento bishops.

The problem with the SSPX is that in order to deal with what they asserted was infidelity, they topped it with more infidelity. And that's where they fell down.

Thankfully, we have the FSSP. They have a church locally (with the full approval of our late archbishop, who dedicated it personally with the full and complete Latin rite) and they are straight-up orthodox shepherds.

15 posted on 10/17/2013 6:43:12 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: ex-snook
It's not possible to free a person from sin when they are hugging it with all their strength until the end.

If there was no repentance, he'd actually rejected forgiveness.

If carried through to the end, he has, literally damnably, and by his own free choice, pushed away his Savior --- and salvation.

16 posted on 10/17/2013 6:44:13 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Acquire the Holy Spirit, and then thousands around you will be saved. " - St. Seraphim of Sarov)
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To: piusv; NYer
So you think it would be better to be consistently bad, than to be "inconsistent" and do something morally upright for a change?

No, you can't mean that.

17 posted on 10/17/2013 6:46:47 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Acquire the Holy Spirit, and then thousands around you will be saved. " - St. Seraphim of Sarov)
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To: piusv

Thee you go. That’s a good answer.


18 posted on 10/17/2013 6:47:37 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Acquire the Holy Spirit, and then thousands around you will be saved. " - St. Seraphim of Sarov)
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To: AnAmericanMother; steve86

So you are saying that Archbishop Lefebrve didn’t read the actual documents before he made his stand against them? Do you really think he would take such a bold stand without doing so?

As for the so-called loopholes, do you find such loopholes in pre-Vatican II documents?


21 posted on 10/18/2013 2:20:11 AM PDT by piusv
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To: ebb tide

That’s interesting. I’m not sure I believe this last letter. All we know is what it’s supposed to include as reported by the article. I would want to read it.


22 posted on 10/18/2013 2:23:31 AM PDT by piusv
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To: Jeff Chandler
the Liza Minelli film, with Joel Grey Kind of gay, but entertaining. I liked the song Money Makes the World Go Round.

Joel Grey is homosexual. That's common knowledge.
You are right, the movie WAS kind of gay but very entertaining. It was the ONLY thing Liza Minelli did, I think. I don't remember her in any other movie.

Money makes the VORLD go round....:o)

23 posted on 10/18/2013 9:45:33 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain
It was the ONLY thing Liza Minelli did

She starred in The Sterile Cuckoo around the same time.

24 posted on 10/18/2013 10:46:55 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (At least it's not written in Perl.)
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To: cloudmountain

Probably the most chilling scene in movie history.

Tomorrow Belongs to Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Mg6Gfh9Co


25 posted on 10/18/2013 10:52:14 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Jeff Chandler
(Liza Minelli) She starred in The Sterile Cuckoo around the same time.

I didn't see it but looked it up. Typical depressing movies of that day.

But, to give her credit, with a looney tune like Judy Garland for a mother and having to grow up in Hollyweird, it's probably a minor miracle that she didn't turn into a druggie and commit suicide.
She was born in 1946. Yikes, that's a familiar year. She's MUCH older than me as she was born in MARCH. Hah!!

26 posted on 10/19/2013 1:51:29 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: dfwgator
Probably the most chilling scene in movie history.
Tomorrow Belongs to Me

YES! It sure was. Chilling is ABSOLUTELY the correct word.

The Allies did a real number on the Germans with their most punitive and destructive Treaty of Versailles.. The Treaty of Versailles and its "War Guilt clause" caused all kinds of problems.

I was in Austria some years ago and our guide had a real snicker at that. She said that Hitler was an AUSTRIAN, not a German but everyone believed that he was a German and the Austrians, snicker, snicker, let the world believe it.
The AUSTRIANS produced the MONSTER, not Germany. She got a real kick out of that. I didn't ever hear that from any other of our tour guides, in either Austria or Germany.

There aren't too many countries that would have taken that kind of treatment lying down. Impoverishing a group of people for any reason creates vendettas that last forever. Oops, I'm mixing metaphors with Italian, English and German. Ach du lieber!

Satan had a real run for his money at some of the HORRIBLE times in human history.

I've READ that Genghis Khan was the biggest killer of all times.
He used to sweep through the countries, slaying and burning all he could. MOST conquerors would leave it at that. But NOOO, not him.
He would RETURN to the devastation a few days later to ferret out any survivors. Those poor souls who had thought they had escaped Khan were slaughtered, so NO ONE survived.
THAT was efficient slaughter and earned him the largest mass murderer ever. I'm sure he felt that it was his destiny or whatever.

27 posted on 10/19/2013 2:05:45 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Sometime I feel just like the poor old man who knows what is coming, but is completely powerless to do anything about it.


28 posted on 10/19/2013 2:07:39 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: cloudmountain
I was in Austria some years ago and our guide had a real snicker at that. She said that Hitler was an AUSTRIAN, not a German but everyone believed that he was a German and the Austrians, snicker, snicker, let the world believe it. The AUSTRIANS produced the MONSTER, not Germany. She got a real kick out of that. I didn't ever hear that from any other of our tour guides, in either Austria or Germany.

Reminds me of the joke.... "The Austrians are brilliant people. They made the world believe that Hitler was a German and Beethoven was an Austrian."

29 posted on 10/19/2013 2:09:32 PM PDT by dfwgator
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Reminds me of the joke.... "The Austrians are brilliant people. They made the world believe that Hitler was a German and Beethoven was an Austrian."

Hahaha. Good one. They are experts at re-writing human history.

MOZART was Austrian. Couldn't the Austrians be happy with HIS genius?

30 posted on 10/19/2013 2:19:26 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: dfwgator
Sometime I feel just like the poor old man who knows what is coming, but is completely powerless to do anything about it.

What you say is true, so make your peace with God and His world and wait with patience.
You are still lucid, can express yourself well and have this marvelous sounding board for your angst. Life IS good.
This life is a blink in time. Eternity is, well, forever. So, get ready for eternity.

What reassures me is that God loves me and wants the best for me. He doesn't give us anything we can't deal with. We do our best, usually, and leave it up to Him. If we can't trust Our Lord, we are doomed.

31 posted on 10/19/2013 2:24:41 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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