Convicted war criminal's funeral, scheduled at SSPX chapel in Rome, is not held

Catholic Culture ^ | October 15, 2013 | Diogenes

[NYer]

Ping!

[cloudmountain]

100 years old? That means he was born in 1913. When the Nazis took over in 1933 he was 20 years old—PRIME age for enlisting the mind of the disenfranchised, whether justified of not. Reminds me of the Liza Minelli film, with Joel Grey—great film.

[Fiji Hill]

Why would a Nazi want a church funeral?

[AnAmericanMother]

Just shows that once you start dissenting, it quickly becomes apparent that you're just another protestant sect.

The SSPX refused the best offer they were ever going to get, from BXVI. They will get no similar offer from HH Francis.

So they will go steadily further and further off the rails, until they are as irrelevant as that idiot in Arizona or wherever who says HE's the Pope.

Too bad, because they could have strengthened the Church if they had only been willing to bend their stiff necks far enough to repent.

[kabumpo]

Berlin Stories by Christopher Isherwood, which was adapted to Cabaret.

[ex-snook]

Mercy and forgiveness or impossible sin?

[Jeff Chandler]

the Liza Minelli film, with Joel Grey

Kind of gay, but entertaining. I liked the song Money Makes the World Go Round.

[Jeff Chandler]

They should have said a few prayers at the cemetery and left it at that.

[piusv]

I happen to believe that we need to be consistent. If we can hold a funeral for Kennedy (pro-abortion) then we can hold a funeral for a Nazi (pro-murder). Neither seemed to have publically recanted their non-Catholic beliefs.

[NYer]

I happen to believe that we need to be consistent. If we can hold a funeral for Kennedy (pro-abortion) then we can hold a funeral for a Nazi (pro-murder). Neither seemed to have publically recanted their non-Catholic beliefs.

I follow your train of thought and agree that both crimes are equally reprehensible. The significant difference here is that we know the Nazi was not repentant, as per his attorney. We don't know what Kennedy said in private confession on his deathbed.

[piusv]

I happen to think that both men should have re-canted publically due to the public nature of their sins.

[ebb tide]

Check the Sam Donaldson interview. Priebke admitted his crime. He said he was a Nazi until 1945 and was glad it was over. He said he didn’t want to carry out the order and he was sorry for the victims. Current reports state he had been suffering dementia and had been watching cartoons, so I would discount the “last testament”.

I don’t think Priebke converted to Catholicism until he was in Argentina.

Cradle Catholic, Ted Kennedy is a different story.

[steve86]

Just shows that once you start dissenting, it quickly becomes apparent that you're just another protestant sect.

I really can't see it that way, because the Church of the Vatican changed (modernized/progressed), abandoning centuries of tradition, whereas the SSPX and others stayed the same. From my vantage point it appears Francis' church is the protestant sect.

But personally I stick with the FSSP and diocese extraordinary forms, insulated from modern heresy as they are. Hope it stays that way.

[AnAmericanMother]

I understand your position (I don't like a lot of the positions taken by modern bishops). On the other hand, if you read the actual documents, there's not much there other than loopholes that would never have been taken advantage of without the aggiornamento bishops.

The problem with the SSPX is that in order to deal with what they asserted was infidelity, they topped it with more infidelity. And that's where they fell down.

Thankfully, we have the FSSP. They have a church locally (with the full approval of our late archbishop, who dedicated it personally with the full and complete Latin rite) and they are straight-up orthodox shepherds.

[Mrs. Don-o]

It's not possible to free a person from sin when they are hugging it with all their strength until the end.

If there was no repentance, he'd actually rejected forgiveness.

If carried through to the end, he has, literally damnably, and by his own free choice, pushed away his Savior --- and salvation.

[Mrs. Don-o]

So you think it would be better to be consistently bad, than to be "inconsistent" and do something morally upright for a change?

No, you can't mean that.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Thee you go. That’s a good answer.