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Belief in the Virgin Birth an optional extra, new Swedish archbishop declares (Church of Sweden)
Anglican Ink ^ | October 18, 2013 | George Conger

Posted on 10/18/2013 6:24:24 AM PDT by C19fan

The Church of Sweden has elected its first woman archbishop.

On 15 October 2013 the Rt. Rev. Antje Jackelén, Bishop of Lund, was elected Archbishop of Uppsala and primate of the Church of Sweden.

She also objected to making belief in the virgin birth of Jesus Christ a benchmark of the Christian faith. “It is strange that the question of the virgin birth has become something of a faith test,” she told Kyrkans Tidning, adding the Bible had been interpreted in different ways across time and cultures and that many different cultures had made use of a virgin birth as a way to show a particular person's self-importance.

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TOPICS: Mainline Protestant; Theology
KEYWORDS: christian; lutheran; mary; sweden
So I guess another Liberal Protestant is a heretic who does not believe in theNicene creed:

who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary, and was made man;

Or the Lutheran Church version of the Apostles Creed:

And in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the virgin Mary,

1 posted on 10/18/2013 6:24:24 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

How did she get to this position in the Church of Sweden ?


2 posted on 10/18/2013 6:26:47 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: C19fan

Maybe she believes Jesus’ father was Odin.


3 posted on 10/18/2013 6:27:35 AM PDT by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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To: C19fan

Liberal women generally don’t have much respect for virginity or motherhood.


4 posted on 10/18/2013 6:29:23 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The heart of the matter is God's love. It always has been. It always will be."~Abp. Chaput)
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To: RadiationRomeo

I bet I can get good odds she denies the divinity of Christ so son of Odin would not cut it. :0


5 posted on 10/18/2013 6:29:42 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: Tax-chick

And neither do men, for that matter, making me wonder why these women call themselves “feminist.”


6 posted on 10/18/2013 6:30:15 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The heart of the matter is God's love. It always has been. It always will be."~Abp. Chaput)
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To: C19fan
I'm probably wrong, but I believe that the Apostle's Creed is the "Min Spec" to be a Christian. In that Christians believe in many different things, but you have to believe the Apostle's Creed to be a Christian.

Therefore if you don't believe in virgin birth, then you are not a Christian. What is so crazy is that with current technology, you can have a virgin birth today; so how hard would that be for God to perform.

7 posted on 10/18/2013 6:34:20 AM PDT by fini
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To: fini

You are generally right and that is why there is the controversy of whether Mormons are really Christians since they reject the Creeds. From a historical and theological point one can say Non-Nicene Christians.


8 posted on 10/18/2013 6:36:32 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: RadiationRomeo

Love the Odin comment.


9 posted on 10/18/2013 6:37:50 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup
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To: fini

You’re not wrong. The ENTIRE Apostles Creed is the minimum you can believe and still be a christian. Otherwise, you are just a church attendee.


10 posted on 10/18/2013 6:38:34 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: C19fan

Belief in the “Church of Sweden” is optional.


11 posted on 10/18/2013 6:43:48 AM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: fini

That is my belief...The Apostles’ Creed is Christianity in a Nutshell.


12 posted on 10/18/2013 6:45:25 AM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
How did she get to this position in the Church of Sweden ?

Funny. The Bible I have says bishops are supposed to be men. But what do I know. I'm just a backwards conservative Calvinist who believes God rather than modern feminism.

13 posted on 10/18/2013 6:47:22 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: C19fan

Two gospels use the virgin birth as their first argument that Jesus is God. Why trust anything in any Gospel if the got the basics wrong?


14 posted on 10/18/2013 6:49:59 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: C19fan

Mormons are not Christians. Polythiests can’t be Christians.


15 posted on 10/18/2013 6:51:34 AM PDT by impimp
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To: C19fan

Matthew 10:33 (KJ21) | In Context | Whole Chapter

33 But whosoever shall deny Me before men, him will I also deny before My Father who is in Heaven.


16 posted on 10/18/2013 6:52:42 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: C19fan

Gustavus Augustus is now spinning at a high RPM, but that is what modern situational religion gets you. If it feels good, then it must be Godly and may the gods be with you!


17 posted on 10/18/2013 6:53:00 AM PDT by SES1066 (To expect courteous government is insanity!)
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To: C19fan
that is why there is the controversy of whether Mormons are really Christians since they reject the Creeds

What controversy? They're not Christians, pure and simple. Sure, they might borrow the lexicon of Christianity, but they infuse it with all-new definitions and backstory.

18 posted on 10/18/2013 6:59:23 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: C19fan

God said it.
I believe it.
That settles it.


19 posted on 10/18/2013 7:06:16 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: C19fan

This will help illustrate what I mean when I say “I don’t have a problem with female clergy, I just have a problem with female clergy”.


20 posted on 10/18/2013 7:14:15 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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Obviously does not believe the genesis account either "And I will cause hostility between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring. He will strike your head, and you will strike his heel." Genesis 3:15.

In the Old Testament linage is under the male line, but here it talks about "her offspring". We take this to mean the seed of Mary (Christ), Mary being the Woman, and Christ's victory over Satan (the Serpent).

Perhaps this theologian also doesn't believe in hell either? And not far behind, a dismissal of the problem of Sin too?

21 posted on 10/18/2013 7:21:14 AM PDT by sr4402
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Belief in the Virgin Birth an optional extra, new Swedish archbishop declares (Church of Sweden)

Reminds me of the late, great comedian Flip Wilson's "Church of What's Happening Now". So-called clergy and denominations these days seem to believe that THEY know better. I think they may be in for a shock.

22 posted on 10/18/2013 8:25:34 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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To: 1234; A knight without armor; afraidfortherepublic; AIM-54; Allan; american colleen; AndyPH; ...
Ping to the Swedish Ping List

The Church of Sweden is so liberal--read "apostate"--it makes the ELCA almost seem Lutheran.

23 posted on 10/18/2013 3:12:49 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Swedish-American LCMS pastor)
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To: lightman

This could also use a Lutheran ping—even though the Church of Sweden, ostensibly “Lutheran,” is hardly Lutheran in its doctrine and practice.


24 posted on 10/18/2013 3:16:53 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Swedish-American LCMS pastor)
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Its pretty sad that those in Sweden most likely to affirm the virgin birth live in Malmo. (I did not say Swedes...)

It is ironic that this group both reveres Mary and generally reduces women to the status of property and chattel.

25 posted on 10/19/2013 5:50:12 AM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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