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Bishop Obeys Government Order to Remove Cahtolic Teaching On Sinfulness of Homosexual Acts ^

Posted on 10/19/2013 9:21:37 AM PDT by piusv

TOPICS: Moral Issues; Religion & Politics; Theology
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1 posted on 10/19/2013 9:21:37 AM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv
Well, that was a lot of information.

Try actually posting some next time.

2 posted on 10/19/2013 9:23:05 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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I gave the link.

3 posted on 10/19/2013 9:23:39 AM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv

The schools are publicly funded.

Once you let the government in the door it devours you.

4 posted on 10/19/2013 9:25:33 AM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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WHITEHORSE, Yukon, Oct. 18, 2013 ( - The Catholic Diocese of Whitehorse has obeyed an order by the Yukon government to remove Church teaching on the sinfulness of homosexuality from its policy on pastoral care for same-sex attracted students in its publicly-funded Catholic schools. Critics have pointed out that even in the title of the new policy, the ‘truth’ has been removed.

The original policy contested by the government was called ‘Living with Hope, Ministering by Love, Teaching in Truth.’ The new policy title reads: ‘One Heart: Ministering by Love.’

The original policy, published in the spring of 2012, sparked opposition from media, homosexual activists, and some citizens in the town of 20,000 last spring because it expounded the Catechism’s teaching that homosexual acts are “gravely depraved” and the homosexual inclination is “objectively disordered.”

The controversy culminated in then-Minister of Education Scott Kent sending a letter to Whitehorse Bishop Gary Gordon in which he effectively told the bishop that Church teaching on homosexuality was barred from publicly-funded Catholic schools because it violates the equality provisions of Yukon law.

Bishop Gordon, who also serves as the diocese’s religious education director, agreed to draft a new policy, which he released in July.

The new draft is facing criticism from faithful Catholics, because, while it stresses forcefully the Church’s teaching that homosexual persons should be treated with respect, it is completely silent about the immorality of homosexual activity.

Bishop Gary Gordon
The policy quotes a 1986 document from the Vatican on the need for respect of homosexual persons, but this same document had stressed that pastoral care for homosexual persons is ultimately damaging to them if it is silent about Church teaching.

“We wish to make it clear that departure from the Church’s teaching, or silence about it, in an effort to provide pastoral care is neither caring nor pastoral,” wrote Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’s 1986 letter ‘On the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons’. “Only what is true can ultimately be pastoral. The neglect of the Church’s position prevents homosexual men and women from receiving the care they need and deserve.”

The new policy does mention the call to chastity and points to the Catechism paragraphs dealing with homosexuality, but the policy emphasizes that Catholic schools should “value diversity,” and aim to offer an environment that is “safe, welcoming, inclusive and affirming of the uniqueness of each and every student.”

The draft policy also says that the schools will promote “understanding and tolerance of sexual minorities,” and that they will use materials to present homosexual “writers, historians, scientists, artists, musicians, and spiritual leaders” as “positive role models.”

At an Oct. 3rd consultation meeting on the policy held by the school councils of the diocese’s three Catholic schools, ratepayer Judy Douglas said the draft leaves out “God’s standard.”

“This whole policy should have a higher standard. It should have God’s standard in it, I don’t believe it has that,” she said, according to Yukon News. “It talks a lot about honour and dignity and respect for people with same-sex attraction, which I believe in. I believe all human beings should be valued and honoured and respected.”

“However, it’s very unbalanced because it doesn’t talk about the sin of it. It doesn’t talk about the fact that it’s immoral, it’s unclean,” she added.

The new policy is also facing strong criticism from the other side, however, for not going far enough in removing Church doctrine. The Ministry of Education’s top public servant has expressed openness to their view, even though the draft was developed in conjunction with the government and the government’s lawyers had determined it conforms to Yukon’s Human Rights Acts, Canada’s Charter, and the Education Ministry’s policies.

According to the Whitehorse Star, the majority of speakers at the Oct. 3rd consultation, which drew about 30 people, expressed concern with the policy’s reference to Church documents like the Catechism, because they expound Church teachings on homosexuality that are deemed derogatory.

Tjitske van der Eide, a parent whose children attend Vanier Secondary, said the policy was “an example of homophobia in the name of religion.”

“I find it archaic and deceiving. It refers in its footnotes to church doctrine and dogma in which our homosexual brothers and sisters are being referred to as intrinsically evil,” she said, according to the Whitehorse Star. “How legal is that in our publicly funded schools?”

The critics also called for the removal of a provision in the policy that gives the bishop the power to disband a “gay/straight” student club if he finds it is teaching views opposed to Catholic doctrine.

Many took the criticism even further, however, and called for the government to scrap the policy altogether and instead force the Catholic schools to use the government’s 2012 Sexual orientation and gender identity policy.

After hearing the feedback, the deputy minister of education, Valerie Royle, said the government had believed the policy document properly balanced the concern for inclusivity with a respect for the Church’s teaching. But, she said, “clearly we’re hearing that there’s still certainly some variation of opinions so maybe we haven’t struck that balance.”

“What we’re trying to do is find a policy, and I still believe it’s possible, that serves all needs,” she said.

Consultation on the policy ended Oct. 11th. Royle said the government, the Catholic school councils, and the bishop will go over the feedback and then release a summary of the responses. From there the three parties will make a final decision about the policy.

Bishop Gordon published the original policy in Sept. 2012, after, he says, it was vetted by the Ministry of Education.

Scott Kent, former Education Minister
That original policy emphasized the Church’s respect for the dignity for those who experience same-sex attractions, but also affirmed Church teaching. It quoted the Catechism and said those who are same-sex attracted, “for whom marriage is not an option,” are called to chastity. It made no mention of seeking out homosexuals to hold up as “positive role models” for students.

After a student complained about the policy, however, then-Education Minister Scott Kent ordered that it be withdrawn.

After Bishop Gordon met with Kent on March 5, 2013, the bishop removed the policy from the website of Vanier Catholic Secondary School, the diocese’s Catholic high school. But the bishop told the press that the policy would still remain in effect. “Homosexual activity is always morally wrong,” he said. “The teaching of the Church is always going to guide what goes on in a Catholic school.”

Kent insisted in a March 19th letter, however, that removing the policy from the website was not enough – it had to be withdrawn and rewritten.

The minister said the policy’s treatment of homosexuality violated the Ministry of Education’s Sexual orientation and gender identity policy and “may be in contradiction to the Human Rights Act and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.”

While the diocese is responsible for teaching the faith in the schools, Kent wrote, the diocese’s first obligation in providing such instruction is to comply with the laws in force in the Yukon. Religious teachings that are “inconsistent with and do not meet the requirements of existing laws and policies cannot have application in any publicly supported schools in the Yukon,” he wrote.

In July, Bishop Gordon told LifeSiteNews that he hoped there would not be a showdown between the Church and the government, even as the government insisted it was “not flexible” in its stance against Church teaching on homosexuality in the schools.

Asked at the time if he would allow the government to “bully” the Church, the bishop said, “Well we’re in discussions and everybody’s pretty clear that I’m a Catholic Bishop and I teach the Catholic faith. I mean what else can I say?”

Gwen Landolt, national vice-president of REAL Women, said the Yukon government has no business “dictating policy to a Catholic school.” “Why not send your children to the public schools?” she asked of parents critical of Church teaching in the schools.

But she also expressed concern over the Diocese of Whitehorse’s actions, suggesting that in their draft policy they had “capitulated on a matter of intrinsic Catholicism.” “It seems to me that it’s appalling that the Catholic bishops and the Catholic board have not stood for the teaching of the Magisterium,” she said. was unable to reach Bishop Gordon after multiple attempts. Minister of Education Elaine Taylor was unavailable for an interview.

5 posted on 10/19/2013 9:26:45 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: piusv

What ever happened to “We aught to obey GOD rather than men!”

6 posted on 10/19/2013 9:31:56 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: freedumb2003

That explains the death of Catholicism very well. When the Church refuses to teach the Bible then it’s time to close the Church.

7 posted on 10/19/2013 9:33:49 AM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- <<
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To: piusv

The government can only get away with this because they are taking the “government dime”. So the simple solution is to set up a required class off government controlled school grounds, to teach what is forbidden to teach in a government controlled school.

In such a place, under the sole ownership of the church and not receiving any government funding, they do not have to mince words at all, but can give their oppressors both barrels of truth. In effect, they can tell them that their government oppressors are evil, and should be voted out of office.

8 posted on 10/19/2013 9:34:48 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Welfare is the new euphemism for Eugenics.)
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It’s the Vatican II church again. Do you think the pre-Vatican II church would put up with this?

9 posted on 10/19/2013 9:36:23 AM PDT by piusv
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The pre-Vatican II church is not in existence today so yes, they agreed to change rather than close their doors.

10 posted on 10/19/2013 9:39:33 AM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- <<
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To: piusv

Thank You. You are very correct.

11 posted on 10/19/2013 9:41:48 AM PDT by PeteyBoy (Better a TEApartier than a teabagger be.)
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To: piusv

Pope Frank is saddened by this, but asks who is he to judge? /sarcasm

12 posted on 10/19/2013 9:42:53 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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13 posted on 10/19/2013 9:43:16 AM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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This has nothing to do with Vatican II. It has everything to do with a single bishop.

14 posted on 10/19/2013 9:44:42 AM PDT by SpirituTuo
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this Bishop should be ex-communicated.... do Catholics still do that?

15 posted on 10/19/2013 9:45:42 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Dr. Thorne

He’s too busy telling us we are too obsessed with such issues.

It seems to me we aren’t obsessed enough.

16 posted on 10/19/2013 9:46:41 AM PDT by piusv
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Wonder if the Bishop ever heard the expression,”No guts,no Glory.” I think it should have a special meaning to him.

17 posted on 10/19/2013 9:46:59 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: piusv

Self censorship and the road to death.

He might as well stuff his face with ritalin and poison the wine he gives the congregation.

Why do these people never come out fully outbof closet?

18 posted on 10/19/2013 9:48:13 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: SpirituTuo

He is a product of Vatican II along with the many bishops (not single bishops) who allow pro-abortion politicians (the government again) to receive Holy Communion.

At some point, we need to wake up about Vatican II. Not sure what it will take, but someday we will.

19 posted on 10/19/2013 9:48:36 AM PDT by piusv
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Intellectual cowards cannot overcome handicaps and ain, they must view their sins as some kind of strength, leveraging it as in faustian deal: you can be successful so long you promise to die for us at a certain date.

This is how suicide bombers get recruited, death is not God’s business to know, it is someone else’s decision.

20 posted on 10/19/2013 9:51:32 AM PDT by lavaroise
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