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Sad News About Charles Stanley’s In Touch Magazine
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=12341 ^ | July 25th, 2013 | Ligthouse Trails Editors

Posted on 10/19/2013 8:50:26 PM PDT by jodyel

Lighthouse Trails has watched in dismay over the past few years as Charles Stanley’s In Touch magazine has made the decision to promote contemplative/emergent names. When our editors picked up a copy of the August 2013 issue and saw a feature article written by Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove, we decided to call In Touch Ministries to find out who was responsible for the content in the magazine. Sadly, the response we received from the editorial department at In Touch left us with a sinking feeling that the evangelical church has been seduced and there was no turning back.

We’ll talk about the phone call in a minute but first a look at Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove.

In June of 2011, Lighthouse Trails free lance writer Mike Stanwood wrote “Contemplative Spirituality Lands on Charles Stanley’s In Touch Magazine . . . Again.” In this article, it was revealed that in the January 2011 In Touch magazine issue, Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove was featured in an article written by In Touch Managing Editor Cameron Lawrence. That article, titled “The Craft of Stability: Discovering the Ancient Art of Staying Put,” highlighted the “ intentional Christian community” at the Rutba House (Wilson-Hartgrove’s home) and their “daily prayer routine.” The In Touch article stated that Rutba House is an evangelical community rooted in the Protestant tradition and that Wilson-Hartgrove is an ordained Baptist minister, yet it also reported that Rutba’s community principles are borrowed from Benedictine monks and that all of their efforts are based on St. Benedict’s “rule of life.”

In Stanwood’s article, he points out that Wilson-Hartgrove is part of the “New Monasticism” movement within the emerging church. To help you understand just how serious this situation is with Charles Stanley and his ministry, read this following section of Stanwood’s article:

Wilson-Hartgrove is most recently known for co-authoring Common Prayer: A Liturgy for Ordinary Radicals with new monastic activist Shane Claiborne. Other books he has authored may also fall into the emerging/contemplative category. For example, one such book called New Monasticism: What It Has to Say to Today’s Church (1) has been endorsed by mystic proponents Brian McLaren, Phyllis Tickle, Tony Campolo, and Catholic priest and centering prayer advocate Richard Rohr. The mystics resonate with the “new monasticism” – this is plain to see.

On the surface, the new monasticism may look OK with its many good works of helping the poor and the needy. But the underlying belief system does not line up with biblical doctrine; rather it is about establishing an all-inclusive kingdom of God on earth now where individual salvation is replaced with a community salvation for the whole world. Atonement has less emphasis on Jesus Christ as the only atonement for man’s sins and instead becomes an at-one-ment where all of creation is “being” saved by coming together as one (and yes, seeing the divinity of man). This is the kind of “atonement” that McLaren, Tickle, and Rohr would resonate with.

It is important to see that they don’t just resonate with the good works coming out of the new monasticism; born-again Christians have been performing good works by helping the poor and needy for centuries and continue to do so. While this new monasticism supposedly distinguishes itself by its good works, in reality it is mysticism and the foundational beliefs of mysticism (i.e., panentheism, kingdom now, etc) that distinguish it. And it is that element that Tickle, McLaren, and Rohr embrace.

Additional resources on Wilson-Hartgrove’s website include a DVD called Discovering Christian Classics: 5 Sessions in the Ancient Faith of Our Future, a five-week study with contemplative advocate Lauren F. Winner (Girl Meets God) for high school or adult “formation.” A description of this DVD states:

“You will discover the meaning of conversion and prayer from the Desert Fathers and Mothers; how to love from the sermons of St. John Chrysostom; St. Benedict’s Rule of Life and how it became one of the foundations of Western Christian spirituality; how to have an intimate relationship with God according to The Cloud of Unknowing; and what it means to ‘pick up your cross” in the Imitation of Christ by Thomas A. Kempis.’”

Another book Wilson-Hartgrove has authored, called The Wisdom of Stability: Rooting Faith in a Mobile Culture, refers readers to the wisdom of Lao-tzu, the desert monastics, Thomas Merton, Benedictine spirituality, panentheist and interspiritualist Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, and Benedictine nun Joan Chittister.

In a Beliefnet interview one year ago, Wilson-Hartgrove shared how “we need the wisdom of those who’ve gone before us.” This wisdom he is referring to comes not from the Bible, but from the contemplative “Benedictines (who) taught us to start the day with common prayer.”1

After seeing what is at the core of Wilson-Hartgrove’s spiritual wisdom, it is not surprising to learn that he recently made an appearance at the [very emergent] Wild Goose Festival .2 According to an article in the Christian Post, the Wild Goose Festival was a “four-day revival camp in North Carolina featuring music, yoga, liberal talk and embracing of gays and lesbians.”

The fact is, anyone who is drawn to Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, as Wilson-Hartgrove is, has got to be following a different spirit and another gospel or at the very least greatly deceived. Chardin, who is attributed to the term “cosmic Christ,” did not hide the fact in his writings that he believed, not in the Christ of the Bible, but a christ consciousness in every human being.

While we do not challenge Wilson-Hartgrove’s sincerity or concern for the poor and needy, we must challenge his consistent promotion of contemplative mystics and emergent leaders, and he certainly does not seem like a proper fit with In Touch Ministries, that is unless In Touch is going emerging. The reason we say this about Wilson-Hartgrove’s sincerity has to do with the phone call we had with two editors of the editorial staff of In Touch magazine on July 24, 2013. One of the editors we spoke with was Cameron Lawrence, the Editor in Chief (and also the one who wrote the 2011 In Touch article featuring Wilson-Hartgrove). Lawrence asked us if we had ever spoken with Wilson-Hartgrove personally, suggesting that he was a sincere man who lived out the Gospel by helping the needy. We answered him by stating that the issue at hand was not a private matter but rather a public issue because Wilson-Hartgrove is a public figure (books, conferences, articles, etc). We said that it did not matter what he might say in a private conversation, but it did matter what he was teaching others. And it mattered greatly that In Touch was promoting him.

When we spoke with Cameron Lawrence, we told him we wanted to know who was responsible for putting the article by Wilson-Hartgrove in the magazine to which he told us “the entire editorial staff” made the decision. We asked him if he would be interested in seeing some of our documentation to which he answered, “I have been on the Lighthouse Trails website, and I didn’t find it helpful.” The other editor we spoke with, who wished to remain anonymous, said it sounded like we were on a “witch hunt” to which we responded, “No, we are part of a Gospel-protection effort.”

At times like this, it is difficult not to become discouraged by the lack of interest in Christian intelligentsia and leadership regarding the contemplative/emerging issue. What more can we say to show them what seems so obvious to ourselves and many other Bible believing contenders of the faith? A number of years ago, when the Be Still DVD (a contemplative infomercial) came out and we saw Charles Stanley’s name in the credits as someone who supported the DVD, we contacted his ministry and spoke with a personal assistant. He accepted our offer for a free copy of A Time of Departing but said that Charles Stanley would be too busy to read it.

If the mystics whom Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove gravitates to are right, then Jesus’ words that He is the only Way to the Father are wrong. You can’t have it both ways. The opposite view – the contemplative – is that God is in all things, including all people. This is what all mystics believe, across the board. And if that were true, then the need for a Savior would vanish, and there wouldn’t be any need for ”one way” to God because man is already indwelled with God and a part of God.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

Endnotes: 1. New Monasticism & The Emergent Church: FS Talks with Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove: http://blog.beliefnet.com/flunkingsainthood/2010/06/new-monasticism-the-emergent-church-fs-talks-with-jonathan-wilson-hartgrove.html.

2. Learn more about the Wild Goose Festival here: Left-Leaning ‘Wild Goose’ Festival Draws Ire of Evangelicals


TOPICS: Ecumenism; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: apostates; baptist; charlesstanley; emergent; evangelicals; intouch
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This is very heartbreaking for me since God used Dr. Stanley's ministry greatly in my life in the early 90s. After I was grounded in the faith thru his teaching ministry, I then suffered severe health issues and did not keep up with In Touch as I had in the early days.

Many are falling away into this spiritual deception...formerly great men of God falling for this ecumenicism...Zacharias, Billy Graham...James Roberson. Now Stanley.

Very sad and lonely days indeed if even the elect are deceived just as Jesus said they would be in the last days. All the more reason for us to stand firm and pray for these men of God to be drawn back to their first love...Christ.

1 posted on 10/19/2013 8:50:26 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: CynicalBear; metmom; smvoice; MHGinTN; BlueDragon; daniel1212; Elsie; Delta 21; faithhopecharity; ..

Ping


2 posted on 10/19/2013 8:51:18 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: jodyel
I also have found great value in Dr. Stanley's ministry. My advice to you is to judge for yourself.

At this time I do not know if Lighthouse Trails is right or wrong about In Touch magazine. But I do know that I will decide for myself. I will not let Lighthouse Trails decide for me, or even influence me.

3 posted on 10/19/2013 9:00:56 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: jodyel; NYer; zot

thank you. You just made the link that I had forgotten from Philosophy class 45 years ago of Pierre Teilhard de Chardin and “cosmic Christ/christ consciousness” 15 years ago, I use to be in a chat room where there was much talk of “Christ consciousness” but folks there who used it didn’t know the origin, and I didn’t track it down. But I knew there was something at odds with basic Christianity in it. I was neither impressed by Chardin or the ‘moral relativism’ that was becoming popular in the late 1960s.


4 posted on 10/19/2013 9:01:58 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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5 posted on 10/19/2013 9:14:28 PM PDT by WKB
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To: Leaning Right

Exactly right...be a Berean and search the Scriptures yourself guided by the Holy Spirit.


6 posted on 10/19/2013 9:14:44 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: jodyel

I have not read McLaren, but all you need to know you can get from the cover of his books - an up-close picture of . . . McLaren. A liberal egomaniacal creep . . . the cover screams “Look at ME!!!”


7 posted on 10/19/2013 9:16:04 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: GreyFriar

Def at odds with true Christianity but subtle enough for some not to question it.

Satan is a wonderful seducer, to be sure.


8 posted on 10/19/2013 9:16:24 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: Leaning Right

I get the In Touch magazine every month and have that issue 8/2013 somewhere. Will have to find and see if that author appears.

I did go to the author’s website and did see Catholicism referenced there, so I am surprised Dr. Stanley would include his articles in the In Touch magazine.

http://jonathanwilsonhartgrove.com/


9 posted on 10/19/2013 9:25:17 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: Steve_Seattle

Yes, I have not read his stuff either.

Scary that all this stuff is creeping into Christianity, but not surprising.


10 posted on 10/19/2013 9:26:33 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: jodyel

Syncretism. The art of blending some poisonous deception into the life of the church as if it was just some compatible new way of thinking. That’s how Gnosticism wormed its way into the early church and that’s why John had such a vehemence against it when it first raised its ugly head.


11 posted on 10/19/2013 9:35:19 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: jodyel

I know a guy who writes for In Touch, actually it is more like I know who he is and he knows who I am, but I do know he is a very liberal person. He attended a pretty conservative church but I think that is because his parents are there.

I guess there are some things you can write about without letting your liberal bias show through. Otherwise I don’s see how he got a job there.


12 posted on 10/19/2013 9:40:45 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: jodyel
Jesus said, "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened" (Matthew 24:22)

Except here means..... unless... otherwise...

Same chapter of Mathew Jesus Christ Yeshua Messiah says

24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Jesus didn't say that the elect will be deceived, he said " IF it were possible "

There is the key word..... IF......
As in, could have, could have been.
The thing is ? Since Our Lord and Savior said it, that he him self will take the providence, the provision to protect his elect, his sheep.
I don't know about you ? but ? I get the sense of not being in a church, or follow any ministry or personality with a close following.
I do believe that God is calling his sheep out of the Whore of Babylon, or the false church.
Yes, I do listen to some sermons on TV but I don't follow or trust anyone with my soul.
Trust a dog more than a human.
Humans are not to be trusted.

13 posted on 10/19/2013 9:42:41 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: jodyel
This is very heartbreaking for me since God used Dr. Stanley's ministry greatly in my life in the early 90s. After I was grounded in the faith thru his teaching ministry, I then suffered severe health issues and did not keep up with In Touch as I had in the early days.

Same here. I'm not a fan of his son though. It's heart breaking to see this happen.

14 posted on 10/19/2013 9:45:26 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Psalm 37:7)
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To: Springfield Reformer
Remember the teaching Singleness teaching and craze in the late 80s early 90s ? teaching that it was better to remain single than to get married ?
They took what was St. Paul's own personal opinion and turned it into a dogmatic doctrine, but yet ? without comparing scripture with scripture.
Not counting that there is far more scripture that favors marriage than being single.
I think ? the feminists promoted that teaching and it crept into the church.
15 posted on 10/19/2013 9:51:51 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: dragonblustar

The Charles Stanley Life Principles Bible is my favorite.


16 posted on 10/19/2013 10:07:17 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: dragonblustar

John Hagee and Charles Stanly preach a good word


17 posted on 10/19/2013 10:11:34 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: jodyel

I always get the Lighthouse people mixed up with the Watchtower magazine.


18 posted on 10/19/2013 10:12:40 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: jodyel; All

Why did Stanley and his wife get divorced?

Just askin’.


19 posted on 10/19/2013 10:15:55 PM PDT by bimboeruption
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20 posted on 10/19/2013 10:28:27 PM PDT by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: Java4Jay

John Hagee preaches the Rapture theory.

If you are the first “taken” from the field, you are following the anti-christ.

You don’t want to be “harvested” out of season.


21 posted on 10/19/2013 10:33:52 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: jodyel

Zacharias and Graham falling for the emergent church is news to me.


22 posted on 10/19/2013 10:36:33 PM PDT by redleghunter
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To: jodyel

Amen!


23 posted on 10/19/2013 10:38:33 PM PDT by grame (May you know more of the love of God Almighty this day!)
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To: jodyel
Jesus said, "Look, I am sending you out as sheep among wolves. So be as shrewd as snakes and harmless as doves." (Matt. 10:16)

We should always be on guard from those who would try to pervert the gospel of the grace of God and who entice with smooth words:

Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them. For such men are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own appetites; and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting. (Romans 16:17-18)

Thanks for the article and the warning.

24 posted on 10/19/2013 10:40:15 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: yarddog

That’s very interesting, yarddog, and would explain some things. But how does Dr. Stanley not know what is going on. He is getting on in years though so might not oversee every little thing.

In the early 90s when I was listening to him, I would often call the number to order a tape or some other information and the people were always kind and helpful. That was before I had a computer.

Now I email them and ask about past issues of the magazine or something else and I never receive a reply. It is like nobody cares anymore. Haven’t called in a long time but email is just dead...they don’t answer a one.


25 posted on 10/19/2013 10:50:09 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: American Constitutionalist

I do not attend any church or even have TV anymore. I listen to his sermons on youtube occasionally and have not seen error in them yet.

Still it is a sad day when so many of the world’s prominent Christians compromise the faith. Which is why it’s gotta be Christ and only Christ all the way.


26 posted on 10/19/2013 10:54:02 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: dragonblustar

I have not heard anything of Andy so perhaps I will go and listen to some of his preaching. I know he and his dad had some sort of a falling out, but I was not following them at that time. So I am really playing catch up and basing my thoughts on my past dealings with his ministry.

Time for the torch to be passed to a new generation but are there any that will take up the true mantle of faith....not looking good.


27 posted on 10/19/2013 10:56:32 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: jodyel

Ravi Zacharias falling for this stuff? Where is the proof?

I’ve listened on and off to Stanley. He’s okay, but I never really thought he was all that outstanding. I prefer Zacharias and David Jeremiah, and Lutzer. I forget Lutzer’s first name, as I don’t get to hear him much, but he is good when I do hear his messages. I prefer to study my Inductive Study bible, which has no commentary by anybody, but helps you to discover the message of the text by studying the key words, and elements in the passage. You read this person’s Bible commentary or another and they all have differing views. It’s very confusing.


28 posted on 10/19/2013 11:00:06 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: jodyel
It's like nobody cares anymore

the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire (Matthew 3:12)

29 posted on 10/19/2013 11:00:45 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: BeadCounter

No, I believe the Lighthouse site may be based in the UK.

I had not been there for quite a long time but was looking for something on Zacharias and came across it again. As far as I know they are biblical Christians and are holding the light of Scripture to error.

But as we see here, even the elect can be deceived...and if ever I thought there was an elected person, Dr. Stanley would have been it. Just goes to show no one is above being deceived. We all fall short and miss the mark.


30 posted on 10/19/2013 11:01:18 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: narses

When did I make your ping list, narses?

I thought I bored you and made you think only of cornflakes.

lol


31 posted on 10/19/2013 11:02:31 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: bimboeruption

I don’t know if a reason has ever been given officially but the wife wanted the divorce and I had heard that she was the unhappy one in the marriage.

I will look around and see if I can find anything more specific.


32 posted on 10/19/2013 11:04:32 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: jodyel
Time for the torch to be passed to a new generation but are there any that will take up the true mantle of faith....not looking good.

God ALWAYS preserves a remnant.

But what is the divine response to him? "I HAVE KEPT for Myself SEVEN THOUSAND MEN WHO HAVE NOT BOWED THE KNEE TO BAAL." In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God's gracious choice. But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace. (Romans 11:4-6)

33 posted on 10/19/2013 11:04:46 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: redleghunter

I’ll rustle up some info and post here when I can.


34 posted on 10/19/2013 11:05:07 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: Shery

http://defendingcontending.com/2008/12/26/the-smoldering-ash-heap-of-ravi-zacharias-ministries/

http://apprising.org/2012/08/11/ravi-zacharias-clarifies-calling-henri-nouwen-great-saint/

http://apprising.org/2009/01/19/ravi-zacharias-promotes-roman-catholic-henri-nouwen-and-contemplative-spiritualitymysticism/

http://kimolsen.wordpress.com/2011/12/01/the-downfall-of-ravi-zacharias/

Some about Zacharias here. I think it is the second link where there is an excerpt from an interview in 2012 where he says he regrets saying Henri Nouwen was a great saint.


35 posted on 10/19/2013 11:13:57 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: redleghunter

http://defendingcontending.com/2008/12/26/the-smoldering-ash-heap-of-ravi-zacharias-ministries/

http://apprising.org/2012/08/11/ravi-zacharias-clarifies-calling-henri-nouwen-great-saint/

http://apprising.org/2009/01/19/ravi-zacharias-promotes-roman-catholic-henri-nouwen-and-contemplative-spiritualitymysticism/

http://kimolsen.wordpress.com/2011/12/01/the-downfall-of-ravi-zacharias/

Some on Zacharias here.

Will post for Graham later.


36 posted on 10/19/2013 11:14:27 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: Shery; faithhopecharity

Have always learned, learned, learned from Dr. Stanley.

Erwin Lutzer is who you mean, I think. He is good too...recommended a book by him to another member recently. Don’t think I know Jeremiah, but will google him.

I use the Life Application Bible.

http://www.newlivingtranslation.com/05discoverthenlt/lasb.asp


37 posted on 10/19/2013 11:22:43 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: jodyel

what’s ravi done? haven’t kept up with him...


38 posted on 10/19/2013 11:26:18 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: redleghunter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axxlXy6bLH0

See what you think.

Robert Schuller sure was keen on what he said and that’s always a bad sign.


39 posted on 10/19/2013 11:26:51 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: annalex

No, just falling into the same spiritual deception that is Catholicism, mysticism, Buddhism, universalism, etc. Anything that takes ones eyes off Christ is what Satan loves.

Satan is a great deceiver and will grab many who feel it is more important to get along with their fellow man than it is to proclaim Christ.

You know I don’t have that issue, right? lol


40 posted on 10/19/2013 11:30:06 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: bimboeruption

always wondered that myself. plus he didn’t step down as he had said he would if he ever divorced.


41 posted on 10/19/2013 11:30:19 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Shery

Erwin Lutzer.


42 posted on 10/19/2013 11:31:50 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: boatbums

Yes, I know and thank God for those 144,000 in the Trib period!

But we sure could use a Spurgeon or a Moody or a Peter Marshall or a Martyn-Lloyd or a Bunyon or an Edwards....any Puritan will do. :)

Someone bold and unafraid just like Paul...someone whose love for Christ is all-encompassing and someone on fire for the Him.


43 posted on 10/19/2013 11:33:15 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: Shery

I, too, use an Inductive Study Bible. NASV


44 posted on 10/19/2013 11:34:41 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Secret Agent Man

See my post 36.

Second link shows him backtracking from what he said, so perhaps he realizes it was an error?


45 posted on 10/19/2013 11:34:44 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: bimboeruption

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/17/us/andy-stanley/


47 posted on 10/19/2013 11:49:37 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: boatbums; jodyel; CynicalBear; smvoice; caww; daniel1212; WVKayaker; GeronL

I have become very alarmed at what I’ve been seeing happening in the church. The emergent church stuff and this contemplative prayer and Christian mysticism and the *you are God* nonsense.

I have friends who are falling for this stuff and I am praying like never before that they see where they are headed. I believe that they are genuinely saved, but I hate to see them go down this path.

For myself, I am getting back to the basics and that means getting heavily into the Word.

Our mandate from Jesus is to preach the gospel and make disciples. And faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of Christ.


48 posted on 10/20/2013 1:27:45 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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To: jodyel

Here’s someone you might be interested in.

Alistair Begg
Truth for Life

http://www.truthforlife.org/about/about-alistair-begg/

I’ve heard him several times and have found him to be very challenging and solid.

There is also...

Nancy Leigh DeMoss
Revive our hearts
https://www.reviveourhearts.com/

I heard some teaching of hers on suffering and its purpose in our life and it was very good. She said that God did not owe us a pain free life. That alone gives her credibility. They moved her radio program time on our local Christian station and I do not catch her anymore as I’m usually not around.


49 posted on 10/20/2013 1:34:59 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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I agree, metmom...it is creeping in on the elect and that is frightening. I have to say I never thought I’d be alive when solid Christians started going for this stuff....but then again a lot of stuff is happening now that I never thought I’d see in my lifetime.


50 posted on 10/20/2013 1:37:33 AM PDT by jodyel
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