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Real salvation...not the false phony type!
Facebook ^ | 10/21/13 | fabian

Posted on 10/21/2013 8:04:26 AM PDT by fabian

Have you been searching for the real thing in spirituality and salvation? We hear a lot of talk about it by ministers who are no more saved than the average Joe, sadly. Well, I have begun this FB page to promote the real thing because I have found it myself. I am not talking from theory or rote learning. No! And I want you all to be on that path to real salvation, peace of mind, and being able to fight socialists/ communism and still remain happy! Please give it a like too...if you do like it! Thank you, fabian


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I hope you enjoy! And become blessed...there is a fast track to real salvation provided by a Jew!
1 posted on 10/21/2013 8:04:26 AM PDT by fabian
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To: lily; tedw; abigail2; Bob J

take a look!


2 posted on 10/21/2013 8:05:31 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian
http://youtu.be/5hR5YNqE3K8
3 posted on 10/21/2013 8:09:15 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

haha!


4 posted on 10/21/2013 8:18:54 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian

Promoting “fast track” seminars, materials and radio shows? Not one word about the Savior.


5 posted on 10/21/2013 8:23:47 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: fabian

Salvation can never be based on one’s personal experience. Never.

Why? Because thousands of people have different “salvation” experiences. Which one is right? Who knows? And many are only experiences - not reality.

Salvation can only be based on scripture. If you want to limit it even more precisely, the words of our Lord Jesus Himself. His own words are sufficient for one to find and experience true salvation - freedom from one’s own guilt and sin, into the love of God.


6 posted on 10/21/2013 8:38:53 AM PDT by Arlis (.)
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To: ViLaLuz

My FB page promotes the real thing. At fhu.com, they do also but it is not with all the religious words that you are accustomed to, and for good reason! The church has dropped the ball and is missing it. If it weren’t, we would not be losing our nation! If we do not find the place to forgive, we are not forgiven! And that is exactly what the Be Still does.


7 posted on 10/21/2013 8:50:28 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Arlis

Really quite an odd and errant statement.

Wasn’t the Apostle Pauls Salvation based on his own personal experience with Jesus on the road to Damascus? In fact the new testament scriptures had not yet been written, so how could his Salvation have been based on them?

There is also a false hypnotic Salvation experience (One that is most prevalent in the Churches today) We need to be able to discern the difference.

And yes, Scripture can help a person find that experience no doubt.


8 posted on 10/21/2013 8:57:17 AM PDT by tedw
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To: ViLaLuz

I have to agree with fabian. The prayer (medtation)taught here leads you to the SAVIOR. It is a direct link to the still place inside us where we are connected to the vine and His spirit flows through us. Jesus said call no man father...and He gave us a way to directly find Him and His love on our own.


9 posted on 10/21/2013 9:09:21 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: Arlis

You are right. There is only one God, one Way, and many will try to convince you that they have it. YOu do have to look into this yourself, go to the website and read what Roy haas to say and see if it resonates with what you know deep down. You do have to commit to what you personally believe. Alot of us start out going to the churches we were raised in, thinking that is the only way. Then when it doesn’t satisfy, we go looking for the truth some of us. And some of us even find the way on our own.


10 posted on 10/21/2013 9:13:32 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: fabian
Phil 2:12 "...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."

Jn 16:22 "In the world ye shall have tribulation "

Acts 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

Jn 14:27 "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid."

11 posted on 10/21/2013 9:16:15 AM PDT by DWar ("The ultimate destination of Political Correctness is totalitarianism.")
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To: fabian

You’re just pimping Roy Masters’ hogwash.


12 posted on 10/21/2013 9:24:32 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: fabian

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3042800/posts

So Roy Masters has a popular radio show and gives advice. Nothing wing with that. But to say he has a “fast track” to salvation that you can get through his products just isn’t right.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3042800/posts


13 posted on 10/21/2013 9:28:50 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: fabian

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2931985/posts?page=172#172


14 posted on 10/21/2013 9:32:25 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: fabian
It is truly the end times!

Alinsky socialists infiltrate the GOP, the Teaparty even Free Republic and purveyors of unrighteousness spewing a gospel of self salvation infiltrate the Church.

Eph 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

The only 'Fast Track to Salvation' is by simple faith, believing the gift of God, Jesus Christ, took the punishment you deserve and died in your place but rose again to eternal life so you could also. This salvation is offered to you now, right now! The transformation is instant. How much more 'Fast Track' can you get than instant?

Yes many so called churches fail to teach this. They are shot through with secular humanism. Find one that concentrates on the true gospel as preached by Paul and the other apostles. Christ crucified and risen again and an individual decision to accept Him and His work on your behalf. Any other 'gospel' is a deception and spawned by the enemy of your soul.

The apostle Paul, who was personally converted by Jesus Christ after His ressurection said: Gal 1:8 "But though WE , or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."

15 posted on 10/21/2013 9:47:58 AM PDT by DWar ("The ultimate destination of Political Correctness is totalitarianism.")
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To: tedw

Yes...it must be a personal experience. One that the church has mostly completely lost!


16 posted on 10/21/2013 10:02:17 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: abigail2

yes..and those who are on the path know this beyond and doubts.


17 posted on 10/21/2013 10:03:33 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian

The freedom of a nation or its state of slavery isn’t necessarily connected to how saved its Christians are.

Witness the Rome of Caligula, where Christians were fed to the lions or set on fire as torches for the emperor’s dinner parties.

No freedom there, yet I think no one can dispute that their Christians were truly saved...

Or current Red China, where the underground Christian church is flourishing, even though the state murders or imprisons said Christians when they find them, yet no one would state that Red China is free today...

Ed


18 posted on 10/21/2013 10:08:30 AM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: fabian
We hear a lot of talk about it by ministers who are no more saved than the average Joe, sadly. Well, I have begun this FB page to promote the real thing because I have found it myself. I am not talking from theory or rote learning. No! And I want you all to be on that path to real salvation, peace of mind, and being able to fight socialists/ communism and still remain happy! Please give it a like too...if you do like it!

Accept no substitutes!

[Reuben Obermeister] came to America in 1949, at age 21, to lecture on diamonds. He legally changed his name to Roy Masters in 1954 (yet never acquired American citizenship) and eventually became a professional hypnotist claiming he could "save people by teaching them self-sufficiency meditative hypnosis." The American Medical Association pressed charges against him for practicing medicine without a license. He was sentenced to 30 days in jail. He likens this "persecution" to the persecution Jesus suffered....

....In lieu of dependence on Jesus Christ for salvation, Masters teaches dependence on his meditation techniques. He teaches that mankind is inherently good, thus there is no need for salvation or a savior. All problems man encounters can be resolved through self effort. "No form of outer assistance can substitute for inner direction. Direction must come always from within. Moved by the spirit of intuition, we move without excitement, effort or strain. The more we exercise our dependency upon the Within, the stronger this relationship becomes, and we know it to be Grace," (How To Keep Your Mind Well, p. 165, Foundation Press, 1971). Though he claims to have been saved by the blood of Christ, he states that "one of the biggest curses in Christendom is the false idea that Jesus is God"....

....Participants in his week-long seminars pay $1,200 and $50 for one-day seminars held across the country. Masters says he wants to be remembered in the same category as Moses, Jesus, the apostles, Buddha, Gandhi, Martin Luther King and John F. Kennedy.
-- from the thread Roy Masters: Foundation of Human Understanding


19 posted on 10/21/2013 10:16:17 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: fabian

I do want to thank you for posting about FHU and Roy Masters. I had never heard of him before and your post led me to do some research on him and his organization. I discern a cult, which I don’t believe was your desired result, but sincere thanks to you anyway.


20 posted on 10/21/2013 10:22:43 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: DWar

Yes sir...and the fear and trembling is from evil that takes residence in us. When we get on the path, the light burns it out...it trembles! We may think it is us, but it is not.


21 posted on 10/21/2013 10:23:35 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian
there is a fast track to real salvation provided by a Jew!

Hmmm. Repent and believe in the one Jew who can save us, Jesus.

22 posted on 10/21/2013 10:23:51 AM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: DWar

“be still and know that I am God”..all the talking to God in the world has not helped people. This is silent prayer..which actually works! And the die- hard learned Christians scream ..cult...self salvation..all bs.


23 posted on 10/21/2013 10:26:03 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Sir_Ed

yes, you are right..and that changed with George Washington. It is all about numbers..when you deal with big evil in governments. But ultimately, it will take Jesus long awaited return to set the world governments right.


24 posted on 10/21/2013 10:27:59 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Gamecock

of course...and Roy is a big big believer in Jesus. It is obvious to anyone who listens to him.


25 posted on 10/21/2013 10:29:12 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: ViLaLuz

you are welcome. And Roy is the farthest thing from a cult org. that you will ever find. Alex Murphy and people like him post slanted and false things in order to try and negatively influence people away from a very good man who is helping the world. A world, by the way, that the church has failed! Failed! ...yes...obviously. It does do limited good. My page is for those who want more..much more.
Roy did start as a hypnotist and grew from there, seeing that that is exactly people’s problem..they are hypnotized by evil and do not even know it! “ Forgive them father, for they know not what they do.” Jesus said it right there as his body was dying.


26 posted on 10/21/2013 10:34:02 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Alex Murphy

People with simple commonsense who really desire salvation will see beyond your same old, rote learned and false bs about a very good man. Nice try though.


27 posted on 10/21/2013 10:35:21 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: tedw

I should have written, you cannot base your salvation on SOMEONE ELSE’S EXPERIENCE.

My bad.


28 posted on 10/21/2013 10:45:41 AM PDT by Arlis (.)
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To: fabian
People with simple commonsense who really desire salvation will see beyond your same old, rote learned and false bs about a very good man. Nice try though.

Tell Roy that Alex says "Hi"

29 posted on 10/21/2013 10:49:39 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: fabian

it appears to me Roy is searching, which is good. I just hope he will continue reading his Bible and seeking good fellowship.

It is wrong for him though to claim he’s found the fast track to salvation which people can discover employing his products. I can’t blame anyone for wanting to make a living but his enterprise brings the snake oil cliche to mind.

I don’t believe it is appropriate for him to be in the position as a shepherd of a flock.


30 posted on 10/21/2013 10:59:48 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: ViLaLuz

anyone can hear the Be Still exercise for free...


31 posted on 10/21/2013 11:16:06 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Arlis

yes we’s experience of love and patience..which is a model for us. can and must..Jesus


32 posted on 10/21/2013 11:18:31 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian

I used to believe that Gary North, preterist, Christians-will-conquer-the-world-in-Christ’s-name sort of stuff, but now I believe what the mainstream evangelical church believes: that we are in the End Times, that we are in the period known as the great falling away, and at some point there will be six years of tribulations, the AntiChrist will appear and take over the world, and at some point Jesus will appear and there will be a great battle, and THEN He will rule.

Ed


33 posted on 10/21/2013 11:42:36 AM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: ViLaLuz

I wouldn’t base my opinion of Roy Master based on research of what you have read.

I would listen to him on the Radio and form my own opinion.

Personally, I believe him to be an authentic Christian.

If you go to www.fhu.com, there is a statement of belief that addresses a lot of the cult accusations,and which shed more light on the matter for you.


34 posted on 10/21/2013 11:44:47 AM PDT by tedw
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To: tedw

thanks...this is from the fhu site..
“Mission Statement
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Roy Masters’ simple message is much like that of The Great Awakening evangelical movement of the mid-eighteenth century whose followers included George Washington. The Great Awakening, as history has so beautifully named it, gave men and women a sense that they had a direct personal relationship with God that transcended the one they had with the established church. It also promoted the natural rights of the individual, given directly by God. A clergyman or church that tried to establish itself as a permanent intermediary between an individual and God was viewed as impeding the correct religious experience.

The Foundation of Human Understanding believes that finding God within one’s self not only gives a person religious piety, but enables them to find true happiness and moral discipline and achieve freedom under God. For over 50 years, Roy Masters has taught a simple prayer exercise that brings each person to the stillness of their mind where he believes God exists. It has helped millions of troubled people transform spiritual and emotional suffering into a renewed understanding of how simple faith can bring forth the true, authentic self.


35 posted on 10/21/2013 11:57:17 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: tedw

I read his statement of belief. That’s why I came to the opinion that he is searching and growing. I just don’t believe in a “fast track” to salvation that can be found through products. I certainly wouldn’t join his flock.

I’d never heard his radio show. It doesn’t play here where I live, though, so I can’t listen to it.


36 posted on 10/21/2013 12:32:21 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: fabian

Do you have a link for the free “be still and know”? Every link i’ve seen, including the ones on fhu, are for paid download.

I did see a preview of the exercise on you tube, but it was describing something unbiblical... Following what is right in your heart... Success through sheer personal will...


37 posted on 10/21/2013 12:45:50 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: ViLaLuz

Yes you can at fhu.com..live 9-11pm mom thru fri.!


38 posted on 10/21/2013 12:53:05 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: ViLaLuz

There is a spot there if you look that has listen to a sample..or such. It is not personal will...but me mist exercise discipline to pray silently sp the spirit can indeed to its will..or His will rather.


39 posted on 10/21/2013 12:56:13 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian

free open live streaming of the show, you mean? If that’s the case I’d check it out.


40 posted on 10/21/2013 1:02:43 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: fabian

What’s the link? It’s just a sample of the exercise?

I’m not trying to be difficult but I don’t see the exercise available for free posted anywhere, as you said.


41 posted on 10/21/2013 1:04:48 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: fabian

I did find a free download of the “be still and know” exercise for military...and now I remember when this came out. I remember listening to part of it and losing interest because it appeared to be new age technique...

http://www.patriotoutreach.org/

There really isn’t anything biblically based here and it definitely is not a “fast track” to salvation, unless masters is referring to a different type of salvation. ...


42 posted on 10/21/2013 1:44:34 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: fabian

I believe Masters’ technique could confuse people to the point where they are exposing themselves to bad influences.

It seems like he himself is struggling, understandably after reading what he’s been through. I hope he finds peace outside himself. Searching inside will lead to searching forever.

I also hope he is sincere in seeking Christ and not just marketing his own religion a la Hubbard.


43 posted on 10/21/2013 1:49:48 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: ViLaLuz

Listen to him tonight online. Roy is not struggling at all.


44 posted on 10/21/2013 1:53:58 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian

I did find the link to the live streaming. I have to sign up for a membership to hear archived shows, but tonight I’ll check if the live broadcast is unencumbered.


45 posted on 10/21/2013 2:07:30 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: tedw

I’ve also read his Secret of the Inner Way To God... Although the last few pages are truncated he speaks clearly where he is coming from.

http://www.fhu.com/way-to-god.html


46 posted on 10/21/2013 2:11:09 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: fabian

Fabian,

Be very, very careful about what you are involved in....several of us have already written to you about this.

If it does not line up with Scripture, then it is not biblical salvation and is a path to doom.

Please listen.

jodyel


47 posted on 10/21/2013 2:13:56 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: abigail2

Sorry, abigail12, but this is a false experience leading you away from the God of the bible.

This is exactly what Satan wants you to believe. Run away as fast as you can.

Your eternal soul is at stake so please get a good bible and compare what you are doing to biblical salvation.


48 posted on 10/21/2013 2:18:24 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: abigail2

Abigail12,

Please, please, please do not buy into this. Please get a good bible and compare what you are doing with Scripture. I beg you.

jodyel


49 posted on 10/21/2013 2:19:37 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: DWar

Amen, amen, and amen!


50 posted on 10/21/2013 2:21:13 PM PDT by jodyel
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