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Pope Calls for “Mutual Forgiveness Between Catholics and Lutherans”
La Stampa-Vatican Insider ^ | 10/21/13 | Domenico Agasso Jr

Posted on 10/21/2013 6:17:58 PM PDT by marshmallow

In his address to the Lutheran World Federation and representatives of the Lutheran-Catholic Commission on Unity, Francis said “there are no lack of difficulties but we must not be afraid”

“Catholics and Lutherans can ask forgiveness for the harm they have caused one another and for their offenses committed in the sight of God,” Francis said during this morning’s audience with the delegation of the Lutheran World Federation and representatives of the Lutheran-Catholic Commission on Unity.

The Pope’s meeting with Bishop Munib Younan, the Federation’s president and its secretary, Martin Junge, follows on from the “very cordial and pleasant meeting” which took place during the inaugural celebration of Francis ministry as the Bishop of Rome.

“It is with a sense of profound gratitude to our Lord Jesus Christ that I think of the many advances made in relations between Lutherans and Catholics in these past decades, not only through theological dialogue, but also through fraternal cooperation in a variety of pastoral settings, and above all, in the commitment to progress in spiritual ecumenism. In a certain sense, this last area constitutes the soul of our journey towards full communion, and permits us even now a foretaste of its results, however imperfect. In the measure in which we draw closer to our Lord Jesus Christ in humility of spirit, we are certain to draw closer to one another. And, in the measure in which we ask the Lord for the gift of unity, we are sure that he will take us by the hand and be our guide,” Francis said.

“This year, as a result of a now fifty year old theological dialogue and with a view to the commemoration of the five-hundredth anniversary of the Reformation, the text of the Lutheran-Catholic Commission on Unity was published, with the significant title.......

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TOPICS: Catholic; Ecumenism; History; Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: lutheran; romancatholic

1 posted on 10/21/2013 6:17:58 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

So, is Martin Luther forgiven?


2 posted on 10/21/2013 6:21:04 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: marshmallow

I can name, offhand, three groups of Lutherans that reject affiliation with the LWFederation.


3 posted on 10/21/2013 6:24:27 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: Paladin2

Have Catholics and Lutherans been throwing bombs at each other or something?


4 posted on 10/21/2013 6:25:50 PM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: Paladin2
So, is Martin Luther forgiven?

Although the Church has never spoken definitively about the state of his soul, we have been singing the adapted versions of the hymns he wrote in mass for many years.

5 posted on 10/21/2013 6:26:45 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Paladin2

If he believed what he preached, of course.


6 posted on 10/21/2013 6:27:50 PM PDT by DManA
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To: crazycatlady

I’m a Lutheran and I didn’t know we still had a feud going on. I thought that was settled centuries ago.


7 posted on 10/21/2013 6:28:54 PM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: marshmallow
Who know the Thirty Years War was still going on?

Seriously though, if the Pope is really looking to increase religious peace, he might want to focus on another unnamed religion that has problems getting along with every other religion on the planet.

8 posted on 10/21/2013 6:29:12 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender

know = knew


9 posted on 10/21/2013 6:29:27 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: marshmallow

Is the Pope then going to correct the errors of the Roman church? Oh, wait, this is the LWF he’s dealing with. They don’t care.


10 posted on 10/21/2013 6:31:07 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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To: Elyse

My wife was a Lutheran, she converted when she married , there isn’t a lot of difference in the religions, so she says.


11 posted on 10/21/2013 6:34:33 PM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
I didn't know that.

Luther seems to have been a Christian of great intellect.

I guess that beatification is still not on the horizon?

12 posted on 10/21/2013 6:35:26 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Elyse

Official Lutheran Doctrine still sees the ‘Harlot of Babylon’ in Revelation as a future Pope.

Unless you want to tell me otherwise.


13 posted on 10/21/2013 6:38:57 PM PDT by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns.)
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To: RBStealth

....which means what then? Are you a prisoner of old doctrine and a future Pope?


14 posted on 10/21/2013 6:50:17 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: crazycatlady
Have Catholics and Lutherans been throwing bombs at each other or something?

ZACKLY! And even so, if they threw them at church buildings, the casualties would be very low.....

15 posted on 10/21/2013 6:51:23 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: marshmallow
Francis: Heterodox Even For Lutherans! - Frank the Hippie Pope
16 posted on 10/21/2013 6:52:37 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I dont really care about any arguments, just simple facts as best I know them.

Good Luck


17 posted on 10/21/2013 6:53:40 PM PDT by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns.)
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To: RBStealth

But what are the facts?


18 posted on 10/21/2013 6:55:10 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: marshmallow
If the Lutherans just patch those nail holes in the door we'll forget it ever happened.
19 posted on 10/21/2013 6:55:56 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama phones= Bread and circuits.)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Maybe I’m just not trying hard enough, but I truly have a challenge in understanding where he is coming from and where he is taking the church. To your point, I concur completely.


20 posted on 10/21/2013 6:55:58 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44 ('Hey citizen, what's in YOUR closet?')
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To: C. Edmund Wright

heres a fact: You have some 26+ posts to complete strangers
this monday alone.

You must be a very lonely person.
Although I could be wrong, try chatting up some one else.


21 posted on 10/21/2013 6:59:27 PM PDT by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns.)
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To: RBStealth
You want facts? Here are some facts:

Celebrating an Apocalyptic Plague: Catholics and Lutherans Prepare to Commemorate 2017

22 posted on 10/21/2013 7:17:42 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: crazycatlady

Yea, right here. There was a thread (I kid you not) entitled “I hate sola scriptura”. Which is exactly the same as saying “I hate Protestants”.

To the credit of Free Republic apparently they took that thread down.


23 posted on 10/21/2013 7:24:22 PM PDT by DManA
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To: All

My comment was actually a dig at Muslims, but I didn’t do it very cleverly.

Seriously, I suspect that different Christian sects and denominations may have decided it’s good to stick together and try to forget about dogma, since many have dwindling memberships. Many mainline Protestant churches have already merged with each other.


24 posted on 10/21/2013 7:46:06 PM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: marshmallow

Kumbaya.


25 posted on 10/21/2013 7:47:30 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: RBStealth

The ALCC and the Missouri Synod have both released statements that they do not believe the Pope is the anti-Christ.


26 posted on 10/21/2013 7:52:12 PM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: Elyse

thats not anywhere near correct:

Antichrists
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutheran_Church%E2%80%93Missouri_Synod#Antichrists
The LCMS holds that all “false teachers who teach contrary to Christ’s Word are opponents of Christ” and, insofar as they do so, are anti-Christ.[16] The LCMS does not teach, nor has it ever taught, that any individual Pope as a person is to be identified with the Antichrist.[16] However, to the extent that the papacy continues to claim as official dogma the canons and decrees of the Council of Trent, the LCMS position is that the office of the papacy is the Antichrist.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2011/07/lutheranism-the-antichrist/

http://www.wels.net/about-wels/doctrinal-statements/antichrist?page=0,1


27 posted on 10/21/2013 7:55:59 PM PDT by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns.)
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To: RBStealth

Here’s a fact: I post to issues and ideas.....I rarely pay attention to who I am posting to on line. I pay attention to peopel in person. Perhaps you are unclear as to what a message board is.

Speaking of lonely...reseraching another poster? I’ve never had that little to do. And again...no answer from you.


28 posted on 10/21/2013 8:05:03 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I don’t care what anyone says, Ed.
You’re all right!


29 posted on 10/21/2013 8:40:03 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus

I was married to my bride in a small Catholic church in S. Dakota nine years ago this week.

We sang “A Mighty Fortress is Our God” right out of the missal. The priest said “no” at first, till I showed him it was in the missal. Then he laughed all night about it.

My side is all LCMS. We out sang the organ.


30 posted on 10/21/2013 8:55:45 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Venturer

Like your wife, I think more and more Lutherans are heading to the Catholic Church.


31 posted on 10/21/2013 9:02:03 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow
Francis quoted the Blessed John Paul II’s question: “How can we proclaim the Gospel of reconciliation without at the same time being committed to working for reconciliation between Christians?” (Ut Unum Sint, 98).

"A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

— John 13:34-35

32 posted on 10/21/2013 9:24:24 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: redgolum
We sang “A Mighty Fortress is Our God” right out of the missal. The priest said “no” at first, till I showed him it was in the missal. Then he laughed all night about it.

My side is all LCMS. We out sang the organ.

The best singers I know are all Lutherans!

33 posted on 10/21/2013 9:42:55 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: RBStealth

http://www.christalcc.org/files/ALCC_Position_Paper_The_Papacy.
5. The ALCC officially and emphatically declares that the Pope is not “the antichrist.” He never was, and he never will be. We also hold that the Roman Catholic Church is not the “apostate church of the antichrist” or “the whore of Babylon.


34 posted on 10/21/2013 11:12:10 PM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: RBStealth

http://www.christalcc.org/files/ALCC_Position_Paper_The_Papacy.
5. The ALCC officially and emphatically declares that the Pope is not “the antichrist.” He never was, and he never will be. We also hold that the Roman Catholic Church is not the “apostate church of the antichrist” or “the whore of Babylon.


35 posted on 10/21/2013 11:28:45 PM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: RBStealth

http://www.lcms.org/faqs/lcmsviews#pope
A: The LCMS does not teach, nor has it ever taught, that any individual Pope as a person, is to be identified with the Antichrist. The historic view of LCMS on the Antichrist is summarized as follows by the Synod’s Theological Commission:

The New Testament predicts that the church throughout its history will witness many antichrists (Matt. 24:5,23-24; Mark 13:6,21-22; Luke 21:8; 1 John 2:18,22; 4:3; 2 John 7). All false teachers who teach contrary to Christ’s Word are opponents of Christ and, insofar as they do so, are anti-Christ.

However, the Scriptures also teach that there is one climactic “Anti-Christ” (Dan. 7:8,11, 20-21, 24-25; 11:36-45; 2 Thessalonians 2; 1 John 2:18; 4:3; Revelation 17-18). . . Concerning the historical identity of the Antichrist, we affirm the Lutheran Confessions’ identification of the Antichrist with the office of the papacy whose official claims continue to correspond to the Scriptural marks listed above. It is important, however, that we observe the distinction which the Lutheran Confessors made between the office of the pope (papacy) and the individual men who fill that office. The latter could be Christians themselves. We do not presume to judge any person’s heart. Also, we acknowledge the possibility that the historical form of the Antichrist could change. Of course, in that case another identified by these marks would rise.


36 posted on 10/21/2013 11:46:38 PM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: DManA; crazycatlady
Yea, right here. There was a thread (I kid you not) entitled “I hate sola scriptura”. Which is exactly the same as saying “I hate Protestants”. To the credit of Free Republic apparently they took that thread down.
There was commentary somewhat recently which contained a photograph of BXVI, but it was him as a demon. I complained right away (and another Catholic FReeper did too), but weeks later, the picture remained. To me that is similar to saying the Catholic Church is demonic, as BXVI led the CC as pope. *sighs*
37 posted on 10/22/2013 2:01:22 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: marshmallow
Two Points, Luther had 99:
  1. "Sola Fide" is not Latin for "family feud".
  2. Any reformer that may ever have defenestrated a big "C" Catholic has long passed away and is incapable of forgiving or being forgiven. Likewise reformers burned at the stake, peasants annihilated in the 100 years war, "heretics" of all stripe suffering "inquiry" etc...

38 posted on 10/22/2013 2:20:36 AM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: Paladin2

the pope is talking about the here and now — about us living. Catholics and Lutherans of today should not be righting each other. Debating, arguing yes, but not fighting


39 posted on 10/22/2013 2:45:14 AM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: DManA

If someone was to say “i hate the eucharist” would you DManA say that that was akin to “i hate Catholics”?


40 posted on 10/22/2013 2:56:35 AM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos
It is like the old Fraternity joke.

“If it is you and me, it will be me. If it is Us and Them, then it will be US!”.

In other words we can and do through pies at each other, but we are still on the same side. It took a long time to get past the point of arguing via rifle sights.

41 posted on 10/22/2013 5:25:18 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Elyse

Correct.

The Pope can and is wrong, as we all are. When we are wrong, we are anti christ.

Now he isn’t (and hasn’t been) THE anti christ.


42 posted on 10/22/2013 5:26:36 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: marshmallow

Be careful. This Pope is off on some strange tangents. I wonder what he’ll say today.


43 posted on 10/22/2013 8:46:28 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: marshmallow

Lutheran World Federation, of which the liberal Evangelical Church US is a member.

Not the LCMS or the WELS. The ELCA.

Just sayin’.


44 posted on 10/22/2013 9:05:59 AM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: stylecouncilor

...confusion reigns ping....


45 posted on 10/22/2013 9:13:14 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: CrazyIvan
If the Lutherans just patch those nail holes in the door we'll forget it ever happened.

Thanks for a morning laugh!!

46 posted on 10/22/2013 11:43:11 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: Venturer

She obviously practices the Novus Ordo version of Catholicism and not Traditional Catholicism. Suggest that she check out traditio.com and I’m sure she’ll never say that again. Traditional Catholicism id true Catholicism. Not “fun”, but holy. Of course, if she’s actually looking for another version of the Protestant religion, she’s found it in the Vatican II Church.


47 posted on 10/22/2013 3:53:12 PM PDT by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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