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POPE EXPELS GERMAN 'LUXURY BISHOP' FROM DIOCESE (msm report)
AP ^ | October 23, 2013 | NICOLE WINFIELD AND DANIELA PETROFF

Posted on 10/23/2013 6:11:09 AM PDT by NYer

VATICAN CITY (AP) -- Pope Francis temporarily expelled a German bishop from his diocese on Wednesday because of a scandal over a 31-million-euro project to build a new residence complex, but refused popular calls to remove him permanently.

The Vatican didn't say how long Bishop Franz-Peter Tebartz-van Elst would spend away from the diocese of Limburg and gave no information on where he would go or what he would do. It said his fate would ultimately be decided by the outcome of a church commission investigation into the expenditures.

It said Limburg's vicar general, the Rev. Wolfgang Roesch, who had been due to take up his duties on Jan. 1, would start immediately and would run the diocese during Tebartz-van Elst's absence.

At the center of the controversy is the 31-million-euro ($42 million) price tag for the construction of a new bishop's residence complex and related renovations. Tebartz-van Elst has said the bill was actually for 10 projects and there were additional costs because of regulations on buildings under historical protection.

The Limburg scandal has been front-page news for weeks in the country where Martin Luther launched the Reformation five centuries ago in response to what he said were excesses and abuses within the church. The perceived lack of financial transparency has also struck a chord since a church tax in Germany brings in billions of euros a year to the German church.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: germany; vatican

1 posted on 10/23/2013 6:11:10 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Sensationalized mainstream media report, ping! Kudos to Pope Francis for taking swift (by Vatican standards) action.


2 posted on 10/23/2013 6:12:34 AM PDT by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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this dude has been seduced by the devil


3 posted on 10/23/2013 6:14:05 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: NYer

This bishop was a scandal - I’m in Europe, and I’ve been reading about his $24,000 bathtub, etc. This is particularly sad, because he was appointed by BXVI, and the other German bishops (very liberal) have been looking for opportunities to trash the former Pope over something he did while in office.


4 posted on 10/23/2013 6:17:22 AM PDT by livius
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Pope Francis temporarily expelled a German bishop from his diocese on Wednesday because of a scandal over a 31-million-euro project to build a new residence complex, but refused popular calls to remove him permanently. The Vatican didn't say how long Bishop Franz-Peter Tebartz-van Elst would spend away from the diocese of Limburg and gave no information on where he would go or what he would do. It said his fate would ultimately be decided by the outcome of a church commission investigation into the expenditures.

Ping for later

5 posted on 10/23/2013 6:19:07 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: NYer

Pope Francis will bring this bishop down to earth. Most Catholic clergy live very modest lives, especially parish
priests. Catholics have a heirarchy they have to answer to if they get out of hand, unlike protestant preachers. Who will Joel Osteen answer to for milking his robotic followers out of 50 million dollars. I could name more of those televangelists just like Osteen. Or how about the granddaddy of all protestant preachers, Billy Graham, who’s net value is 25 million. He lives in a log home valued at a couple million, sitting on prime real estate in the NC mountains. All this money made from “preaching” the gospel. There is one person these filthy rich preachers will have to answer to when their time on earth is done. His name is Jesus Christ. I would love to be a fly on the wall.


6 posted on 10/23/2013 6:20:52 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

What drives you to spend time looking up the net worth of people you don’t care for? This is not a Catholic vs Protestant issue from where I sit.

As dad often said - look back far enough and you’ll find a horse thief in every family.

It’s not hard to find examples of men of the cloth behaving badly, regardless of denomination.


7 posted on 10/23/2013 6:55:59 AM PDT by dmz
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To: livius
This is particularly sad, because he was appointed by BXVI, ..

FWIU, candidates are pre-qualified by a team before being submitted for approval. That is how so many progressives slipped into positions of power.

We have what's shaping into an interesting situation here in upstate NY. Rochester Bishop Clark turned 75 last year. He was told to step down immediately and administration of the diocese was temporarily turned over to the Diocese of Syracuse. Next week, Clark's fellow seminarian, another uber progressive bishop, Howard Hubbard, will submit his letter of resignation as he turns 75. Both bishop served for 30+ years, during which time they introduced some of the most outlandish novelties into liturgies, wreckovated churches, and closed dozens of churches and schools.

The more conservative catholics in these neighboring dioceses, repeatedly wrote to the Vatican over the span of those 3 decades, to complain about the abuses. Now they have adopted a wait and see attitude. No one has been appointed to Rochester. Albany will soon be up for grabs. Perhaps the impending appointments will shed better light on just how the system works. To make this more interesting, Dolan is Archbishop of NY.

8 posted on 10/23/2013 6:56:02 AM PDT by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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I am glad this dude was out of control he was totally Bling bling Bishop


9 posted on 10/23/2013 8:40:37 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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http://www.news.va/en/news/limburg-bishop-to-stay-outside-of-diocese-for-now

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“The Holy Father has been continually informed in detail and objectively on the situation regarding the diocese of Limburg. In the diocese, a situation has arisen in which Bishop Franz-Peter Tebartz-van Elst cannot, at the present moment, continue to exercise his episcopal ministry.

Following Cardinal Lajolo’s ‘fraternal visit’ in September, the German Bishops’ Conference, in accordance with an agreement between the bishop and the Chapter of Limburg Cathedral, has constituted a Commission to carry out a detailed examination of the matter of the building of the bishop’s residence. Pending the results of this examination and of an analysis of responsibility for the matter, the Holy See considers it appropriate to authorise for Bishop Franz-Peter Tebartz-van Elst a period of stay outside the diocese.

By decision of the Holy See, Stadtdekan Wolfgang Rosch is today appointed as vicar general, an appointment that had previously been announced by the diocese of Limburg as taking effect from 1 January 2014. Vicar General Rosch will administer the diocese of Limburg during the absence of the diocesan bishop, within the sphere of competence associated with this office”.

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http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2013/10/23/pope-authorises-leave-of-absence-for-german-luxury-bishop/

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Pope Francis has authorised a leave of absence for a German bishop at the centre of controversy over expenditures for his residence and diocesan centre.

“A situation has been created in which Bishop Franz-Peter Tebartz-van Elst currently cannot exercise his episcopal ministry,” said a statement October 23 from the Vatican press office.

Pope Francis, after being “continually, broadly and objectively informed” about the situation in the Diocese of Limburg, has authorized “a period of leave outside the diocese,” effective immediately, the statement said.

A priest whom Bishop Tebartz-van Elst had selected as his vicar general will administer the diocese in his absence, the Vatican said.

The bishop has been at the centre of controversy for months over the remodelling and building project in Limburg, which is estimated to have cost about $40 million. German media have dubbed Bishop Tebartz-van Elst the “luxury bishop.”

Pope Francis discussed the situation last week with Archbishop Robert Zollitsch, president of the German bishops’ conference, and later with Bishop Tebartz-van Elst himself.

In early September, Cardinal Marc Ouellet, prefect of the Congregation for Bishops, sent retired Cardinal Giovanni Lajolo to visit the diocese to promote peace between the bishop and some of the diocese’s priests concerned about the project.

After the cardinal’s visit, the bishop agreed to publish figures about the construction project and cooperate with a commission established by the bishops’ conference to audit the project and examine how decisions were made. In most cases, church law requires consultation with a diocesan finance council before large sums of diocesan money can be spent.

The Vatican said that Bishop Tebartz-van Elst would remain outside the diocese until the results of the audit and “the connected verification of responsibility in the matter” were known.

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A little bit less sensationalistic reporting on the issue.


10 posted on 10/23/2013 9:16:58 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: NYer

Checking out sackcloth accessories.

11 posted on 10/23/2013 9:22:48 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. Eph 4:11)
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To: NYer

I’m glad at least that Hubbard and Clark are out or on their way out. They did great damage.

It will be interesting to see what Dolan does, as you say. O’Connor himself was very orthodox, but he seemed to tolerate some complete losers among his bishops. I assume these two were probably appointed under Cooke, but O’Connor certainly didn’t do much to help.


12 posted on 10/23/2013 10:22:42 AM PDT by livius
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To: NYer
Sensationalized mainstream media report, ping

You have to read the German media, the whole affair has been on the front pages of all major newspapers for weeks.

Basically, there are three sets of allegations, the ones that are well documented, such as:

- The fact that over a period of time the construction costs for the bishop's new residence and visitor center went out of control.
- The bishop was involved in the alterations that drove up costs
- The bishop used the diocese's frequent flyer miles to upgrade to Lufthansa's first class when visiting the Bangalore slums (as witnessed by other passengers), when he could have donated them instead.

Then there are the ones that are disputed, like:

- Inhowfar Tebartz van Elst lied to the press about his travels
- The extent to which church overseers were involved / complicit in the whole affair.
- The exact costs. $ 40 million seems to be a realistic number, based on the construction contracts and invoices for work already done. But some say it's more like $ 50 million because of damage done to the culturally significant buildings in the neighborhood, which has yet to be repaired.

Then there is hearsay, sensationalism and innuendo, like the claims:

- That when Tebartz van Elst visited the slums in India he was just looking for cheap housekeepers (nuns) and new jewels for the church's treasure chest.
- That he intentionally mislead the church elders (who thought they were authorizing a total sum of almost 20 million dollars, which had been discussed before, when indeed they were agreeing to a second tranche of yet another 20 million dollars).
- That he was behind a creative accounting scheme to funnel tax money into his building project (instead of relying solely on the money in the separate episcopal account).

This is just meant as a short overview of what is in the press here in Germany.
13 posted on 10/23/2013 10:53:16 AM PDT by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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To: livius
O’Connor himself was very orthodox, but he seemed to tolerate some complete losers among his bishops.

You may recall the sudden death of Albany priest Fr. John Minkler. He had been commissioned by Cardinal O'Connor to keep tabs on the abuses in Albany and report them to him. Following the death of Cardinal O'Connor, the report surfaced and Fr. Minkler was called in to the Chancery. You can read what happened at this link. Scroll down to the original story by Paul Likoudis. One blogger published the original report and I downloaded a copy. The link had been removed by the next day.

14 posted on 10/23/2013 11:33:22 AM PDT by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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Interesting...How many times have we heard in the past that the pope has no control over bishops and their lifestyles...


15 posted on 10/23/2013 12:30:00 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: NKP_Vet
Catholics have a heirarchy they have to answer to if they get out of hand, unlike protestant preachers. Who will Joel Osteen answer to for milking his robotic followers out of 50 million dollars. I could name more of those televangelists just like Osteen. Or how about the granddaddy of all protestant preachers, Billy Graham, who’s net value is 25 million. He lives in a log home valued at a couple million, sitting on prime real estate in the NC mountains. All this money made from “preaching” the gospel. There is one person these filthy rich preachers will have to answer to when their time on earth is done. His name is Jesus Christ. I would love to be a fly on the wall.

You know what flies are attracted to, don't you?

16 posted on 10/23/2013 1:35:28 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: Iscool
How many times have we heard in the past that the pope has no control over bishops and their lifestyles...

You noticed that too?

17 posted on 10/23/2013 1:38:13 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Some people just hate to hear the truth about those swindlers known as TELEVANGELISTS. Most got their training in Amway.
They are very good at milking old ladies and dummies out of their life savings.


18 posted on 10/23/2013 2:47:11 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: livius

Dolan allows pro-abortion politicians receive communion.

‘nuff said.


19 posted on 10/23/2013 2:47:41 PM PDT by piusv
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To: Alex Murphy

Me too....and I’m Catholic. I’m tired of the excuses.


20 posted on 10/23/2013 2:48:22 PM PDT by piusv
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To: Iscool
How many times have we heard in the past that the pope has no control over bishops and their lifestyles...

I don't know. How many times? Perhaps you are misconstruing this incident with this position.

21 posted on 10/23/2013 2:48:58 PM PDT by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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So, I’m not following. If the Pope can’t respond to “bad bishops” as that older thread suggests, then why is he all of a sudden able to respond to this particular bishop?


22 posted on 10/23/2013 2:54:56 PM PDT by piusv
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To: NKP_Vet
...the truth about those swindlers known as TELEVANGELISTS. Most got their training in Amway...

LOL including Billy Graham?

23 posted on 10/23/2013 2:55:26 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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Billy Graham didn’t get his riches from playing marbles. This poor son of dairy farmers is very rich. He learned years ago from other fast taking Southern preachers that there’s money in preaching. Not saying he’s not a good man who has brought the gospel to millions, but I am saying preaching made him very wealthy. And I just don’t know how that’s going to help him get to heaven or the rest of the filthy rich preachers, and it makes no difference what denomination. That was not what Christ was about.


24 posted on 10/23/2013 3:08:24 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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Billy Graham didn’t get his riches from playing marbles. This poor son of dairy farmers is very rich. He learned years ago from other fast taking Southern preachers that there’s money in preaching. Not saying he’s not a good man who has brought the gospel to millions, but I am saying preaching made him very wealthy. And I just don’t know how that’s going to help him get to heaven or the rest of the filthy rich preachers, and it makes no difference what denomination. That was not what Christ was about.

So Billy Graham is a "fast talking, filthy rich Southern preacher", with a double emphasis on the word "filthy"? Does being poor help you get to Heaven any faster?

25 posted on 10/23/2013 3:11:25 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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“Filthy rich” means very rich. And we know what God says about a rich man getting to heaven.


26 posted on 10/23/2013 3:19:03 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves”

Matthews 7:15


27 posted on 10/23/2013 3:40:14 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: livius

“This bishop was a scandal - I’m in Europe, and I’ve been reading about his $24,000 bathtub, etc.”

$24,000?!?!?! What is that bathtub made of? Solid gold?


28 posted on 10/23/2013 4:16:00 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Iscool
Interesting...How many times have we heard in the past that the pope has no control over bishops and their lifestyles...

That excuse is only used when church won't deal with the pro-abort, pro-sodomite bishops.

This Bishop violated the most sacred doctrine of all: "Social Justice"

29 posted on 10/23/2013 4:21:29 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: NYer

I’m sure there is a very small parish in northern Canada, Siberia, the Aleutian Islands or perhaps of catholic penguins in Antarctica that he could be sent to be their pastor.


30 posted on 10/23/2013 5:27:33 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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I’m sure there is a very small parish in northern Canada, Siberia, the Aleutian Islands or perhaps of catholic penguins in Antarctica that he could be sent to be their pastor.

The bishop's obtuse actions are best remedied by living as a mendicant in a monastic community. He should be removed from any public contact.

31 posted on 10/23/2013 5:36:19 PM PDT by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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Yes, the perfect place for him. And perhaps being put in charge of cleaning the latrines and grease trap in the kitchen, with bare hands of course.


32 posted on 10/23/2013 5:47:08 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar
"I’m sure there is a very small parish in northern Canada, Siberia, the Aleutian Islands or perhaps of catholic penguins in Antarctica that he could be sent to be their pastor"

There is also a huge need these days for new priests in Egypt, Syria, Sudan...

33 posted on 10/23/2013 7:58:36 PM PDT by Heart-Rest (Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Gal 6:7)
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To: ClaytonP

Don’t forget that Francis believes the biggest evils (evils, not even “problems”) in the world are youth unemployment and the loneliness of the elderly.

Intrinsic evils (as taught by the Catholic Church) such as abortion are no longer the biggest evils.


34 posted on 10/24/2013 2:27:34 AM PDT by piusv
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To: Heart-Rest; NYer

Excellent point. And the climate is warmer than Antartica.


35 posted on 10/24/2013 7:08:00 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: SevenofNine
this dude was out of control he was totally Bling bling Bishop

His residence looks like something from a fairy tale.

And the $20K luxury bath tub is such a fabulous touch. /s

36 posted on 10/24/2013 2:02:44 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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One of UK papers have insdie look at it earlier in the week it was out of this world with all gold

I think it was UK Daily mai or Telegraph one of those papers YIKES


37 posted on 10/24/2013 2:05:13 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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One of UK papers have insdie look at it earlier in the week it was out of this world with all gold I think it was UK Daily mai or Telegraph one of those papers YIKES

I saw some of the pictures. Looked like the guy was wearing woman's makeup. One picture shows him hopping into a convertible.

The poor German Catholics are forced to pay the tax man for THIS?!!! Guess we in the U.S. don't have it so bad after all.

38 posted on 10/24/2013 2:20:53 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Heart-Rest; GreyFriar; Biggirl
There is also a huge need these days for new priests in Egypt, Syria, Sudan...

Surprisingly, those countries suffering christian persecution, have a large pool of priests and seminarians. Moreover, their approach to faith is one of great humility. My pastor is an excellent example of eastern Catholic spirituality. He is "on loan" to our bishop here in the US. He comes from the Maronite Lebanese Monks; hence he is monastic, a priest and a missionary. There are others from his community also serving in various parishes around the country. His superior in the US, Abdallah-Elias Zaidan, recently appointed him bishop of one of the US dioceses. Two weeks ago, Fr. Zaidan was ordained a bishop by the Patriarch, Cardinal Bechara Rai, in Lebanon. As I type this message, my pastor is in St. Louis, MO, for the installation of his superior, fellow monk and new bishop.

Here are two images that project the close camaraderie shared by these eastern rite priest. The first one was posted by my pastor last night. It was taken in front of St. Raymond's Maronite Cathedral in St. Louis.


My pastor is 2nd from the right. He is in his mid thirties.

I love the following picture. The Patriarch was elevated in 2011 when his predecessor, Cardinal Sfeir, decided to retire. In Pope Benedict's final consistory, he elevated Bechara Rai to Cardinal. It was a first for the Maronite Church to have two cardinals. Cardinal Rai participated in this year's conclave and was asked to serve as one of only three who count and register the votes. In the following photo, Cardinal Patriarch Rai is visiting with a community of monks that include two hermits.

These are priests, monks, hermits, missionaries, who have known persecution and are willing to lay down their lives tomorrow, for Jesus Christ.

Even the laity embrace martyrdom. You may not have heard of them but three Maronite brothers from Damascus, Francis, Abd-el-Mo'ty and Raphael, children of Nehme Massabki, were born in the first half of the ninteenth century.

At eight o'clock on the evening of July 9th, 1860, Muslim fanatics entererd the Franciscan church in Damascus, where the three brothers were kneeling before the Altar, and gave the Massabkis the choice between death and the acceptance of the Muslim religion. The Massabkis replied:'You may destroy our lives but you cannot destroy our faith in Christ and our souls; we are Christians. In the faith of Chirst we live and in the faith of Christ we shall die.'

They were killed before the altar. In the same night, many Franciscan priests and brothers were killed for their faith.

On May 4th, 1926 Patriarch Hoyek addressed a request to the Holy See, asking that the three Massabki martyrs be proclaimed saints. A committee was sent by Rome to make canonical inquiry in Lebanon and Damascus about the lives and virtues of the three brothers and the circumstances of their martyrdom. On October 7th, 1926, Pope Pius XI beatified the three brothers, Francis, Raphael and Abd-el-Mo'ty.

When Edith Stein was canonized, there was a backlash from the Jewish community. One of factors holding back the canonization of the Blessed Massabki Brothers is the anticipated reaction by the Muslims.

Okay ... I've gone overboard with the information but the point is, some like the "bling bishop" would be run out of town by christians in any and all of those countries.

39 posted on 10/24/2013 2:42:46 PM PDT by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: BlatherNaut

I watching DW GErman english news on KCET other day they talk about Cathoic in Germany so tick off with bishop they leaving the church in droves

They blaming this guy and ongoing sex abuse scandel


40 posted on 10/24/2013 4:48:19 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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