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How The Gospel Came To Africa...Acts 8 pt 6
http://billrandles.wordpress.com/2010/10/18/philip-and-the-ethiopian-acts-8/ ^ | 10-23-10 | Bill Randles

Posted on 10/23/2013 11:37:33 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles

And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? (Acts 8:30-34)

Philip had been told by an Angel to “join a chariot” on the desert road . This meant that he ran alongside the chariot of the high Ethiopian official, as the man was reading his recently purchased scroll of the prophet Isaiah.

The Ethiopian just happened to have come to the fourth Servant song in Isaiah, chapter 52:13-53:12

Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.

As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:

So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.

Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

…But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

…He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth…

“Do you understand what you are reading”? ,asked Philip.

How can I unless someone teaches me?”, answered the Ethiopian, who then invited Philip to come up into the chariot to teach Him.

Philip preached the crucified Christ, from the text of Isaiah, who lived 700 years before Jesus came, yet described in detail the cross and it’s meaning. We can learn something from this story as to how to witness to those God puts in our path.

*Philip preached from Prophecy – An amazing sign of the veracity of the Bible is the fact that Jesus came in fulfillment of the prophets of scripture. God himself points to prophecy as being among His credentials ,

…I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:(Isaiah 46:9-10)

* Philip preached Christ crucified in the light of scripture- He proclaimed that Jesus was the man spoken of by Isaiah, the vicarious sufferer, despised and rejected by men, bearing the transgression of us all, unto God’s judgment.

* Philip preached the fall of man and the guilt of sin - All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.(vs 6)

One couldn’t expound on this theme without the mention of the fact that man is lost, gone astray, guilty of sin, transgression and iniquity, liable to wrath, estranged from God.

* He preached Jesus as the substitute for us in Divine judgment – As the chapter makes clear, It was the Lord Himself who laid upon Him the iniquity of us all, the chastisement that bought us peace (with God) fell upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed.

* He proclaimed the vindication and glory of Jesus – Philip proclaimed from Isaiah the glorious outcome of the mysterious suffering servant,

Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.(Is 52:12)

…when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.(Isaiah 53:10-11)

By this Divine report, the Ethiopian was brought into repentance and saving faith, peace with God, forgiveness of sins, and the “gift of righteousness” with God! Making a simple confession of faith in Jesus, he received the gift of eternal life.

We know he believed , because He requested baptism, to which Phillip only required sincere belief,

And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.(Acts 8:37-39)

How does this chapter of the Bible end? The way the whole story will end, with a Rapture.It is like a microcosm of the future of the whole church history.

It begins with a persecution and scattering of the newly founded church, it proceeds onto the mission field, where “signs wonders and gifts of the spirit” confirm the preaching of the gospel.

Yet the word of the Lord is resisted by false wonder workers, false converts,”great men” who seduce and transfix the people, and who seek to make merchandise of God’s people, such as Simon Magnus. But always the truth of God prevails.

Spirit led conversions will occur which affect whole people groups, there has been an African church ever since the Ethiopian received the Word of the Lord.

Finally it all ends the way we expect it to end, Philip went up in a rapture!


TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: acts; africa; baptism; jesus; salvation
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1 posted on 10/23/2013 11:37:33 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

Thanks for posting this wonderful story of salvation.

Isn’t it interesting how some will denounce the message of baptism as essential unto salvation when clearly Phillip preached that is is.


2 posted on 10/23/2013 12:00:24 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd; pastorbillrandles
baptism as essential unto salvation when clearly Phillip preached that is.

Also in the book of Acts 2:21: And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

3 posted on 10/23/2013 1:26:31 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

Very true. The obvious conclusion is that no one can cherry pick one or two verses from the Bible and make the claim that this (praying the believers prayer - calling on the name of the lord - accepting Christ into your heart - whatever) ALONE is the way to be saved.

Only if and when one hears, believes, repents, confesses and is baptized; will one then be saved.


4 posted on 10/23/2013 1:43:49 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Luke 23:39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. 40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. 42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
5 posted on 10/23/2013 1:49:51 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

Ahh, the theif on the cross story. It amazes me how many people mistakenly use this example to claim salvation can be obtained without baptism

Here is a very good outline that explains why the theif was saved without baptism.

http://executableoutlines.com/ba/ba_05.htm


6 posted on 10/23/2013 2:03:08 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
It amazes me how many people mistakenly use this example to claim salvation can be obtained without baptism

Probably because it serves as a perfect example that baptism it isn't absolutely necessary, regardless of extraordinary efforts to explain it away.

Believe what you will. ;)

Romans 10:10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

7 posted on 10/23/2013 2:35:27 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

You’re are cherry-picking. Let me explain. For some un-Biblical reason many people will pick out verses to live by and completey ignore other scriptures that they don’t like.

The same holds true with salvation. Are you saying that living by Romans 10:10 alone is all that is necessary to be saved? I don’t see any indication here in this verse alone that repentance is required, so can I be save without repenting of my sins?


8 posted on 10/23/2013 2:48:55 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I’ve reference two scriptures, out of many, that say ALL who CALL upon the Lord shall be saved. Please show me one that says you will be cast into the lake of fire if you are not ceremonially baptized in water. Granted it is something that should be performed if at all possible. Sometimes it is something that isn’t possible due to circumstances beyond control, like in the case of the one hanging on the cross with Messiah.


9 posted on 10/23/2013 3:18:31 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

Amen, Paul himself told us that “Christ didn’t send me,(him) to baptize”, but to preach the gospel, for it is the gospel which saves...


10 posted on 10/23/2013 4:02:37 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles (The choice isn't heaven or Hell. its heaven or the world)
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To: pastorbillrandles

Unbelievable. Have you never heard of the Great Commission? Read that and then tell me Jesus did not command baptism.


11 posted on 10/23/2013 5:07:25 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Errant

I’m not denying that 1 may be saved by calling on the name of the Lord. But you must admit there is more to it than that. The thief didn’t call upon the name of the Lord, right? So please don’t ignore the many scriptures that command repenting confessing, believing and baptism.


12 posted on 10/23/2013 5:24:07 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: pastorbillrandles
"There is ONE BODY, and ONE SPIRIT, even as ye are called in ONE HOPE of your calling. ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, ONE GOD and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." (Eph. 4:4-6).

For BY ONE SPIRIT are we all baptized into one body..."(1 Cor. 12:13).

It is the Holy Spirit, in this dispensation of grace we are living in, that baptizes us into Christ; not baptism by water. It is a spiritual baptism, not a wet one. It's a shame so many cannot see this.

13 posted on 10/23/2013 5:30:53 PM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: Errant

By the way,you didn’t answer my question. Can you be saved without repenting? And do you know why the the thief wasn’t baptized? For the same reason Abraham, Moses or the prophets weren’t baptized. Christ had not died, had not been buried, and had not risen again when they all died.

But now we must die to our sins and be buried in baptism and be raised in newness of life for the forgiveness of our sins. Cherry picking one or two passages alone is unscriptual.


14 posted on 10/23/2013 5:39:47 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: smvoice

Really? Look again at this thread centering on Acts chapter 8. About the conversion of the Ethiopian. Clearly Philip was preaching the gospel which evidently included baptism in water.

To deny that a physical baptism is essential unto salvation is just false doctrine.


15 posted on 10/23/2013 5:50:22 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd; Errant
...which is exactly what the Holy Spirit does the moment we are saved. "For by ONE SPIRIT are we all BAPTIZED INTO ONE BODY..."(1 Cor. 12:13). It is the Holy Spirit that places us (baptizes us) into Christ the very moment we trust in the finished work of Christ.

And how do we KNOW it's a SPIRITUAL BAPTISM and NOT a WATER BAPTISM?

"For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the GOdhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are CIRCUMCISED with the circumcision MADE WITHOUT HANDS, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: BURIED with him in BAPTISM, wherein also ye are RISEN with him through the FAITH OF THE OPERATION OF GOD, who hath raised him from the dead." (Col.2:9-14). This is ALL about the Holy Spirit's work. It is ALL SPIRITUAL. NOT physical. The baptism is no more physical than the circumcision is.

16 posted on 10/23/2013 5:51:54 PM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Really? Yes, Acts chapter 8 says what you say. It's part of the great commission of Mark 16. And what John the Baptist, Christ, and Peter and the 11 all preached. To Israel. It was the Kingdom Gospel. It was the Law.

We are not under the law, we are under grace. We are given the Gospel of the grace of God now. Centered on the FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST. TOday there is ONE BAPTISM. Which has nothing to do with water. And everything to do with the work of the HOLY SPIRIT baptizing us into the Body of Christ. It's spiritual. Not physical. You can read all about it in Romans through Philemon, and starting in Acts chapter 9. Imagine that! You were just ONE CHAPTER away from knowledge of the dispensation of the grace of God.

17 posted on 10/23/2013 5:59:37 PM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: Responsibility2nd; smvoice; pastorbillrandles
John the Baptist said, as recorded in Luke 3:16, "I baptize you with water. But one who is more powerful than I will come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

While certainly a very worthy ceremony to adhere to, and one I most strongly encourage, it's obviously not an absolute necessity.

For the same reason Abraham, Moses or the prophets weren’t baptized. Christ had not died, had not been buried, and had not risen again when they all died.

Note that John was baptizing before the crucifixion.

Cherry picking one or two passages alone is unscriptual.

The scriptures I reference stand alone in there meaning (i.e., no context needed).

By the way, you didn’t answer my question. Can you be saved without repenting?

As the scriptures say many times and in many books, Call upon the Lord; profess your faith in Yeshua Messiah; ask forgiveness of your sins; is all that is necessary to be called up at his second coming. Remain in Messiah lest ye join the queue for judgment of your works at the end. :-)

18 posted on 10/23/2013 6:18:33 PM PDT by Errant
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To: smvoice

You yourself referenced upthread the passage that there is One Baptism. So how come now you argue there is a water baptism and a spirit baptism?

Here are some other references to consider when considering that baptism is essential.

“But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward
man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done,
but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of
regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,”

“whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our
Savior, that having been justified by His grace we should become
heirs according to the hope of eternal life.” - Tit 3:4-7

And how does the Spirit do this?

Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be
baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins;
and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

“For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who
are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.” - Ac 2:38-39

More here....

http://executableoutlines.com/hs/hs_06.htm


19 posted on 10/23/2013 6:32:51 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd; smvoice

How about a reference that SUPPORTS your argument.

Spirit Baptism Saves Us, Not Water Baptism!

INTRODUCTION

1. Another objection to the necessity of baptism involves making a
distinction between baptism in the Spirit and baptism in water;
this view proclaims...
a. “The baptism which saves is a baptism in the Spirit at the point
of faith”
b. “Passages like Ro 6:3-7, Ga 3:27, etc., refer to Spirit baptism,
not water baptism”

2. Those upholding this view point out...
a. There are many different types of baptisms in the Bible
b. We should not assume that water baptism is always the subject
under consideration

3. As expressed by one proponent of this view...
a. “There is a way to distinguish between water baptism and Spirit
Baptism in those scriptures which do not specifically tell which
type is being discussed.”
b. “That way is this: if the passage is talking about being placed
into Christ, then it is talking about Spirit Baptism, not Water
Baptism, for Spirit Baptism is how we are placed into Christ.”
c. “...in Romans 6, for example, it is obvious that the context is
being placed into Christ and the passage dwells on the believer’s
identification with Christ, with His death, and with His
resurrection. In this passage, the believer is not baptized into
WATER, but into the death of Christ.” - Baptism and Salvation,
Charles T. Buntin
— Of course, this argument presumes the very point to be proven

[There are several problems that I have with this effort to explain
away the necessity of baptism in water for the remission of sins. To
begin with, the Bible teaches...]

I. THERE IS ONE BAPTISM

A. THE BIBLE DOES DESCRIBE MANY BAPTISMS...
1. At the very least there are six...
a. The baptism of Moses (Israel) - 1Co 10:1-2
b. The baptism of John, a baptism in water - Mk 1:4-5
c. The baptism of the Holy Spirit - Mt 3:11; Lk 3:16; Ac 1:5;
2:1-4; 10:44,45; 11:15-16
f. The baptism of fire (judgment) - Mt 3:11; Lk 3:16,17
d. The baptism of suffering (persecution) - Mt 20:20-33; Lk
12:50
e. The baptism of the Great Commission, which was a baptism in
water - Mt 28:19; Mk 16:15-16; Ac 2:38; 8:12-13,35-38;
10:47-48; 22:16
2. Some include two more...
a. The baptism of Noah, metaphorically speaking, which
involved water - 1Pe 3:20
b. The baptism of Jesus, which involved water and the Spirit
- Mt 3:16-17

B. THERE IS NOW JUST ONE BAPTISM...
1. In describing the unity of the Spirit...
a. Paul proclaims there is one baptism - Ep 4:3-7
b. Just as there is only one Lord, one faith, one hope, etc.
2. To which of the six (or eight) baptisms was Paul referring?
a. I believe we can safely rule out all but two
b. The issue boils down to this: Is the one baptism of
Ep 4:5...
1) The baptism of the Holy Spirit?
2) The baptism of the Great Commission?
— Or might there actually be a connection between these
two, with the end result there being one baptism with
two elements: water and the Spirit?

[Whichever, we cannot have two or more baptisms; there is only one
baptism! Now let me explain why regarding the one baptism...]

II. IT IS THE BAPTISM OF THE GREAT COMMISSION

more.....

http://executableoutlines.com/ba/ba_09.htm


20 posted on 10/23/2013 6:42:37 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
..."through the washing OF regeneration and renewing OF the Holy Spirit". It is the Holy Spirit doing the washing of regeneration and renewing. Since when is the Holy Spirit doing NON-SPIRIT things? It is SPIRITUAL, not physical.

You can believe as you will. You can read INTO Scripture all that you want it to say. God says what He means and means what He says. And He doesn't give coded meanings. One Baptism in the dispensation means what it says: ONE baptism. Not water AND the Holy Spirit. That's two.

21 posted on 10/23/2013 6:49:48 PM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: pastorbillrandles; Errant; smvoice; Responsibility2nd

Jesus Christ saves, one must be “in Christ” to be saved.

The Bible states we are baptized into Christ. The Bible is quite clear baptism is for:
1. remission of sins
2. receiving the Holy Spirit
3. being placed into Christ.

False teachers have arisen and have tried to separate faith from baptism. False teachers have arisen that teach if you call on the name of Jesus you will be saved. What does the Bible say about “calling on the name of Jesus”?

Acts 22:16 Ananias is addressing Paul, “and now why do you wait? rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, CALLING ON HIS NAME”

Please note this is the same Paul that false teachers claim did not preach baptismal regeneration since he wrote Jesus did not send him to baptize. Clearly Paul was saying anyone can baptize, and everyone who accepted Paul’s message was baptized. Paul was one of the few in world at that time that was qualified to preach the Gospel.

The devil does hate baptismal regeneration.


22 posted on 10/23/2013 6:57:11 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism (ODY)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

You need to read up on Paul and his commission. Paul did indeed baptize some. He also circumcised some. Does that mean you are circumcised today? He also states that he’s glad he baptized so few. If he was preaching the same Kingdom Gospel as Peter and the 11, he was out of the will of God. For Mark 16 states EMPHATICALLY that baptism is for the remission of sins. That is the CORE of the kingdom gospel. If Paul states he was not sent to baptize, but to preach the gospel, and he does NOT perform the central core of that gospel on everyone he preaches to, then he isn’t preaching the Kingdom Gospel, is he? BTW: WHY do you think Paul circumcised some? Ever thought of that??


23 posted on 10/23/2013 7:03:35 PM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
"Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

Just wanted to point out that in verse 21 Peter said, "And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." Also, the assembly Peter was speaking to, professed their belief in Messiah by asking what they should do next:

Acts 2:37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

24 posted on 10/23/2013 7:07:50 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

see Acts 22:16 to see what “calling on the name of the Lord” means.

for 1,500 years after Jesus left this earth, the Church taught baptismal regeneration because this was the faith it received from the Apostles. beginning in the 16th century, false teachers arose and taught a new gospel.


25 posted on 10/23/2013 7:15:24 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism (ODY)
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To: Errant

As has just been mentioned....

Acts 22:16

New International Version (NIV)

16 And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’

So. While you call upon the name of the Lord - Do not neglect to be baptized and wash your sins away.

>>>>>>>>Acts 2:37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” <<<<<<<<<<

I think you know - clearly - what Peter told them to do. (v38) And if Christ commanded Peter to baptize and Peter commands repentence and baptism - then you know without a shadow of a doubt - that water baptism is no option.


26 posted on 10/23/2013 7:18:30 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Errant; Responsibility2nd; smvoice; pastorbillrandles

maybe someone would be so kind to tell me what baptism is for?

i have heard some say it’s a first act of obedience. i asked for chapter and verse - none are ever provided.

i have heard other say it’s a picture of the salvation which has already happened. i asked for chapter and verse - none are ever provided.


27 posted on 10/23/2013 7:29:31 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism (ODY)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; Responsibility2nd
You both are taking Acts 22:16 somewhat out of context (talk about cherry picking scriptures ;-)):

12 And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there, 13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him. 14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth. 15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard. 16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

As any devout man would suggest...

28 posted on 10/23/2013 7:38:46 PM PDT by Errant
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
I tried for the playlist. If the second episode of three total doesn't play, the other episodes will be easy to find. :-)

The Mikveh Ep 1 By Michael Rood

29 posted on 10/23/2013 7:47:22 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

i won’t waste my time listening to someone who believes we must keep the 7th day sabbath and rejects the Trinity.
thanks anyway.


30 posted on 10/23/2013 7:55:52 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism (ODY)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Well, you can ignore that which you disagree with and still learn all you wish to know about the Mikveh.


31 posted on 10/23/2013 8:00:55 PM PDT by Errant
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
believes we must keep the 7th day sabbath and rejects the Trinity

Corrected it for you...

32 posted on 10/23/2013 8:06:15 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Responsibility2nd; one Lord one faith one baptism
So. While you call upon the name of the Lord - Do not neglect to be baptized and wash your sins away.

Sure, but for some who call upon the Lord during the final moments of life and etc., it isn't possible. In every instance in scripture, acceptance/belief comes before baptism - not the other way around - No?

33 posted on 10/23/2013 10:01:28 PM PDT by Errant
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
I'll tell you what baptism is for, if you really want to know..

"Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Matt. 3:2). This message was first proclaimed to ISRAEL by John the Baptist and was later taken up by Jesus Christ(Matt. 4:17) and His twelve apostles(Matt.10:5-7). The proclamation of this message and its results are what the "Four Gospels" record.

The fact that this kingdom was now proclaimed "at hand" indicates that it had been predicted and expected. Under the Old Covenant God had promised:

"Now therefore, if ye will obey My voice indeed, and keep My covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto Me above all people: for all the earth is Mine: And ye shall be unto Me A KINGDOM OF PRIESTS, AND AN HOLY NATION. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL(Ex. 19:5,6).

Until they DID obey God's voice, only CERTAIN people in ISRAEL were set apart as PRIESTS, but in connection with the coming of Messiah and the CONVERSION OF ALL ISRAEL, God later promised that they would indeed become a WHOLE NATION OF PRIESTS THROUGH WHOM THE GENTILES SHOULD APPROACH GOD:

"But Ye shall be named the PRIESTS OF THE LORD: Men shall call you the MINISTERS OF OUR GOD..."(Isa. 61:6).

The FIRST RITE to be performed at the INDUCTION OF THE PRIEST into his office was his WASHING WITH WATER(Ex. 29:4). This spoke of his NEED OF CLEANSING BEFORE APPROACHING THE PRESENCE OF GOD. Hence, as John proclaimed the kingdom at hand, in which ALL ISRAEL SHOULD STAND BEFORE GOD AS PRIESTS, he demanded repentance and water baptism for the remission of sins(Mark 1:4). Under the MOSIAC LAW, the priests and those ceremonially "unclean" were both washed, or baptized. Thus under the KINGDOM PROGRAM the Jews and the "unclean" Gentiles alike had to be baptized(Matt. 28:19).

John's baptism was associated with the manifestation of Christ to Israel."And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water"(John 1:31). John baptized the people "for the remission of sins". This was not changed after the resurrection of Christ, for at Pentecost Peter offered Christ's return and the times of refreshing to ISRAEL, again calling upon them to "repent and be baptized...for the remission of sins"(Acts2:38). This was in strict obedience to the COMMISSION given to him BY THE RISEN LORD, in which it was expressly stated that "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved"(Mark 16:16).

The departure from this Kingdom program came with Israel's REJECTION of her risen Messiah and the raising up of Paul to proclaim THE GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD. But it was NOT discontinued all at once. Even after the raising up of Paul God STILL continued for SOME TIME to stretch forth His hands to a disobedient and gainsaying people(Rom.10:21). This departure, however, did NOT begin until AFTER Saul's conversion. Then Peter was sent to the first Gentile family only to have his sermon interrupted while, to the astonishment of His companions, these Gentiles were saved and received the Holy Spirit APART from water baptism(Acts10:44-46). True, Peter THEN baptized them(Acts10:47) to keep the record straight, but the departure from the program of the "great commission" is clear. The practice of water baptism continued for some time after this, WHILE CHRIST WAS STILL BEING MADE MANIFEST TO ISRAEL.

But, in the ministry of Paul, with which the REST OF ACTS IS CONCERNED, water baptism IS NEVER REQUIRED FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS. Obviously then, another commission was replacing that given to Peter and the 11 before Christ's ascension.

It is significant that Paul, the apostle of the Gentiles and minister of the body of Christ NEVER ONCE, IN ANY OF HIS LETTERS, COMMANDS OR EVEN EXHORTS US TO BE BAPTIZED WITH WATER.

You would think that if it were still the mechanism for the remission of sins, Paul SURELY would have demanded it. Otherwise, all who heard him would have walked away unsaved, having not been baptized.

34 posted on 10/24/2013 7:26:59 AM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: smvoice; one Lord one faith one baptism
Unbelievable. To think that Paul's Gospel message regarding salavation would be AGAINST the teachings of Christ and the other Aposltes is too weird and wild to fathom.

Here. Here are some truths to counter your erroneous ideas.

 

[In this lesson, we will examine what Paul taught in his epistles
regarding baptism.  Let's start with by noticing what he said about
baptism...]

I. IN HIS EPISTLE TO THE ROMANS

   A. BAPTISM IS A BURIAL AND RESURRECTION WITH CHRIST...
      1. It is a baptism into the death of Christ - Ro 6:3
      2. It is a burial with Christ into death (His death, we are
         crucified with Him!) - Ro 6:4
      3. It is done in order that we might walk in newness of life
         - Ro 6:4-5
      4. It involves crucifying the old man, that the body of sin may
         be destroyed - Ro 6:6
      6. It thereby frees us from sin as we die to sin, that we might
         live with Christ - Ro 6:7-11

   B. NOTE CAREFULLY...
      1. Paul does not say that baptism "symbolizes things which had
         already occurred"
         a. Many say this is the purpose or design of baptism, often
            quoting this passage
         b. But read the passage carefully;  Paul says no such thing!
      2. But rather, Paul describes baptism into Christ as WHEN such
         things occur
         a. We were buried with Him "through baptism into death" -
            Ro 6:4
         b. It is in baptism we are buried with Christ into death (His
            death); we thereby die to sin in baptism
         c. We were buried with Him, why?  "That just as Christ was
            raised...even so we also should walk in newness of life"

            - Ro 6:4
         d. We are baptized in order to rise to walk in newness of life
            just as Christ did!
      3. Note also Paul's preface to these remarks: "as many as were
         baptized into Christ Jesus were..."

         a. What blessings he describes pertain only to those who had
            been baptized!
         b. What of those not baptized?  The blessings described would
            not apply!

II. IN HIS EPISTLE TO THE GALATIANS

   A. BAPTISM IS HOW WE PUT ON CHRIST...
      1. From Ga 3:26-27 we learn that baptism is involved in the
         process of becoming sons of God by faith in Christ Jesus
      2. The "for" beginning verse 27 begins an explanation as to HOW
         we become sons of God through faith
      3. Baptism is therefore the means by which we "put on Christ",
         and become sons of God!

   B. NOTE CAREFULLY...
      1. Paul wrote:  "For as many of you as were baptized into Christ
         have put on..."

         a. "For as many" means no more or no less
         b. Only those who have been baptized into Christ have really
            received Christ into their lives!
      2. Many teach "receive Jesus Christ by saying the sinner's
         prayer..."
         a. But the Bible nowhere teaches that this is how one
            "receives Christ"
         b. Rather, one "puts on" (or receives) Christ when they are
            baptized into Christ!

III. IN HIS EPISTLE TO THE COLOSSIANS

   A. BAPTISM IS A WORK OF GOD...
      1. A "spiritual circumcision" in which sins are "cut away"
         - Col 2:11
      2. A burial with Christ, and also a resurrection with Him
         - Col 2:12
      3. Made effective "through faith in the working of God" - Col 2:12
      4. In which GOD makes us "alive together with Him, having
         forgiven you all trespasses" - Col 2:13

   B. NOTE CAREFULLY...
      1. Here we learn that baptism is a work of God, not man
         a. Just as it was God who raised Jesus, so it is He who makes
            us alive, having forgiven our sins! - Col 2:13
         b. Our part is "faith in the working of God" as we are buried
            with Christ in baptism - Col 2:12
      2. God is the "Great Physician", who is cutting away our sins
         (through the blood of Christ)
         a. We are simply the patient, who humbly submits in faith to
            the surgeon's scalpel
         b. He is the One who makes us alive, that we might rise to
            walk in newness of life

IV. IN HIS EPISTLE TO TITUS

   A. BAPTISM IS A "WASHING" AND "REGENERATION"...
      1. Is Paul talking about baptism in Tit 3:5?
         a. The figure "washing" certainly alludes to the baptismal
            waters
         b. We have already seen where in baptism we are:
            1) Raised to walk in newness of life - Ro 6:4
            2) Made alive by God - Col 2:12-13
            -- Does this not suggest a "washing of regeneration..."?
         c. Martin Luther and many others understood this verse to
            refer to baptism
      2. Thus God saves us in baptism:
         a. It is a "washing of regeneration" - a washing in we are
            reborn
         b. It is a "renewing of the Holy Spirit" - a renewal in which
            the Spirit is at work
         -- Just as Jesus said:  "...unless one is born of water and
            the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." - Jn 3:5


CONCLUSION

1. Paul taught that baptism is...
   a. A burial into the death of Christ
   b. How we die to sin as we are crucified with Him
   c. A resurrection with Christ so we can rise to walk in newness of
      life
   d. A putting on Christ, thereby becoming a child of God
   e. A spiritual circumcision in which sins are cut away
   f. The working of God, whereby we are buried with Christ, made alive
      as our sins are forgiven, and then raised with Him
   g. An act of God's grace and mercy, in which we experience a washing
      of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit
   -- If all these things when one is baptized, how can anyone say that
      it is not necessary?

2. Sadly, many who say it is NOT necessary...
   a. Misunderstand those who say it is necessary
      1) Thinking that they believe in salvation by works
      2) When they truly believe in salvation by grace through faith!
   b. Misunderstand Martin Luther
      1) Whose coined phrased "saved by faith only" they themselves use
         so often
      2) When he differs with them on the necessity of baptism
   c. Misunderstand the apostle Paul
      1) Having him say things about the purpose of baptism he does not
         say
      2) Failing to appreciate what he clearly teaches about baptism
   -- All this, in their zeal to oppose what they mistakenly view as
      works-salvation!

 

More....

35 posted on 10/24/2013 9:10:23 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: smvoice
Obviously then, another commission was replacing that given to Peter and the 11 before Christ's ascension.

Really? Then what was that commission? And why were Peter and the other Apostles NOT following that commission? Why was (according to you) only Paul disregarding the Great Commission of Mt. 28:16?

And finally - Please provide Book Chapter Verse for that commission.

36 posted on 10/24/2013 9:17:07 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: smvoice

Apprarently many have taken on Paul’s messages and have twisted them to suit there own mand made doctrines.

Here is another comment many make:

Wasn’t Paul Sent To Preach, Not Baptize?

And here is a simple explanation that - once again - SUPPOPRTS the necessity of Baptism.

http://executableoutlines.com/ba/ba_07.htm

I’ll not post the entire lesson - but just the conclusion. You may feel free to click the link and study and learn more salient points about Paul’s message to the church at Corinth.

CONCLUSION

1. When one considers all the evidence we have about the situation at
Corinth, we learn...
a. That many were baptized as a result of Paul’s preaching - Ac 18:8
b. Paul was glad that he did not personally baptize many of them,
because of the problem that later arose in Corinth - 1Co 1:14-15

2. In the passage so many use to say that baptism is not important...
a. Paul was simply emphasizing his role as an apostle - 1Co 1:17
b. Paul used reasoning which implies the necessity of baptism (to be
called after Christ, one must be baptized into the name of
Christ) - 1Co 1:13


37 posted on 10/24/2013 9:23:59 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; Errant; Responsibility2nd; smvoice; pastorbillrandles

maybe someone would be so kind to tell me what baptism is for?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If you’ve been paying attention to the links I’ve been posting, you’ll see they come from http://executableoutlines.com/home.htm

Mark A. Copeland is a Minister of the Gospel and has over 1700 sermons and lessonns on - well EVERYTHING related to Scripture. I encourage you - as does he - to use his outlines in your personal studies and in teaching others.

Anyway - THIS. This is the one of the best study guides out there on the subject of Baptism. 45 pages. Covers all the bases.

Baptism - A Very Special Study.

http://executableoutlines.com/pdf/ba_so.pdf


38 posted on 10/24/2013 9:32:04 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
You will find Paul's commission in 2 Cor. 5:16-21. Which is also OUR commission in this dispensation of the grace of God. Peter and the 11 were following exactly what they were given: Mark 16. The Kingdom Gospel. AKA the Gospel of the CIRCUMCISION (Gal. 2:7).

"NOW I say that Jesus Christ WAS a minister of the CIRCUMCISION(the HEBREW NATION) for the TRUTH of God, to CONFIRM THE PROMISES MADE UNTO THE FATHERS: And that the Gentiles might glorify God for His mercy; as it is written..."(Rom. 15:8,9).

The gospel of the grace of God, AKA the gospel of the UNcircumcision (Gal.chapter 2) is DIFFERENT than the gospel of the circumcision. Meaning, they are NOT THE SAME. This was given to Paul, by direct revelationS from the risen Christ. And so, superceded that of the 12. The gospel of the UNcircumcision is based on GRACE ALONE, NOT on COVENANTS OR PROMISES. THESE messages were previously KEPT SECRET, NOT foretold. They had NO relation to ordinances or signs. They were first committed to the apostle Paul. He refers to his message as MY GOSPEL(Rom. 2:16;16:25;2 Tim. 2:8).

The gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of the circumcision were given to Peter and the 11, for the nation Israel FIRST. BOth were based on COVENANTS. Both were related to PROPHECY. Both were bound up with ORDINANCES AND SIGNS. CIRCUMCISION was the SIGN OF THE ABRAHAMIC COVENANT(Gen. 17:11). WATER BAPTISM WAS THE SIGN OF THE DAVIDIC COVENANT(Ex. 29:4, cf. Ex. 19:5,6; Isa. 61:6, Matt. 3:1-6).

Still can't see the DIFFERENCES?

39 posted on 10/24/2013 11:19:28 AM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
"And Jesus said unto them (Peter and the 11), Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye ALSO SHALL SIT UPON TWELVE THRONES, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." (Matt. 19:28).

Uh, so where's Paul's throne? If he was preaching the same gospel and had the same commission(Mark 16) as the twelve, why isn't a throne provided for him?

Hey, you can knock yourself out getting baptized daily for remission of your sins, whatever you think is right. But know this: if you believe that water baptism is FOR the remission of sins, and water baptism is part of the Law, then you are putting yourself UNDER THE LAW. If so, you are "a debtor to do the whole law" (Gal. 5:3). And since "by the WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED"(Gal. 2:16b), you are lost or deceived. Wet, but deceived.

40 posted on 10/24/2013 11:34:42 AM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: smvoice

I give up. As a devoted christian, deacon in my church, having studied daily, with years of experience teaching others, having studied the different denominations, sects and quasi-Christian off-shoots of the church of Christ - I must admit I’ve never seen anyone approach fundamental truths the way you do.

I can tell you are not a Baptist or any evangelical - so what are you?


41 posted on 10/24/2013 11:49:05 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Let me ask you a question here. Why did Paul circumcise Timothy? Why was Paul baptized by Ananias?


42 posted on 10/24/2013 1:00:45 PM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Do you study daily as prescribed in 2 Tim. 2:15? God tells us THAT is the kind of study that He approves of.


43 posted on 10/24/2013 1:06:10 PM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

very interesting......i see these materials are from a group called the “Church of Christ”. I assume you are a member of this group. My understanding is this group believes the Church was “restored” in the 19th century ( much like the Mormons do ), so maybe you can tell me how it is possible for the whole Church do go apostate, where do we find this is possible in the Bible, and if you can name any members of the Church of Christ in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th centuries. ( just one name from each century would be helpful ) surely the members of the Church of Christ in these centuries had names, no?


44 posted on 10/24/2013 3:33:55 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism (ODY)
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To: Errant

sorry my friend, rood rejects the Trinity as pagan. i also am not aware that he believes Jesus is God, does he?


45 posted on 10/24/2013 3:38:40 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism (ODY)
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To: smvoice

still can’t decide the fate of the eunuch?


46 posted on 10/24/2013 3:39:48 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism (ODY)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Can you not READ? I gave you the answer in post 148. Which gospel did the eunuch hear from Philip? The KINGDOM GOSPEL. So for what purpose was the eunuch saved? To GO INTO THE KINGDOM. That Christ will set up when He returns. As far as people knew in Acts 8, He was returning very soon, Joel’s prophecy had come about, in Acts 2 and 3 and everyone was waiting Christ’s EMINENT return to set up His Kingdom. That included the eunuch. But we know that didn’t happen. Christ DELAYED His return. Do you know why He delayed His return, oLofob?


47 posted on 10/24/2013 3:47:23 PM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Oh, excuse me. I gave you the answer in ANOTHER thread. Following people around much, eh? Some call that stalking. I call it desperation.


48 posted on 10/24/2013 3:49:52 PM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: smvoice

hate to break it to you, but the kingdom is here. all Christians have been transferred from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of God’s beloved Son. not a future event. see Colossians 1:13-14.

so i will assume you believe the eunuch was saved, therefore those who believe the Nicene Creed must be as well since it states Jesus is the Son of God. glad we agree.


49 posted on 10/24/2013 4:02:52 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism (ODY)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Sorry to break this to you, but the kingdom is NOT here. Is Christ in Jerusalem, reigning in Glory? Are Peter and the 11 seated on their thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel?

what a pitiful attempt at justification of deceit. But what can I expect. You don't even seem to know what the "one baptism" you throw around in your screen name refers to.

50 posted on 10/24/2013 4:20:32 PM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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