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Pope's Adviser Tells Irving Crowd of Catholicism’s Future as ‘Servant’ Church
Dallas Morning News ^ | 10/26/13 | Michael E Young

Posted on 10/26/2013 12:06:04 PM PDT by marshmallow

IRVING — In the powerful words of Cardinal Óscar Andrés Rodríguez Maradiaga, a member of Pope Francis’ circle of advisers, the work started in Vatican II 50 years ago will reach fruition in the Catholic Church’s push toward “New Evangelization.”

Delivering the keynote address at Friday’s opening of the University of Dallas Ministry Conference in Las Colinas, Maradiaga described a contemporary church “that only has a future by humbly trying to follow Jesus.”

“Jesus was not rich. He lived as a poor villager. He didn’t want to ingratiate himself with the powers of the world,” Maradiaga told the packed hall at the Irving Convention Center. “If the church has a mission, it is to manifest the deeds of Jesus.

“As Pope Francis said, we have to reach out to the periphery of the world and proclaim the Kingdom of God,” he said. “Even Jesus didn’t proclaim himself. He proclaimed the kingdom.”

Maradiaga, the archbishop of Tegucigalpa in Honduras, said the church must break down the walls between the ordained hierarchy and the laity, with all Catholics becoming “the suffering servant.”

“There is not a dual classification of Christians,” he said. “The church as a society of unequals disappears. … We are here to serve, and that requires lowering ourselves to become servants.”

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1 posted on 10/26/2013 12:06:04 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Kumbaya.


2 posted on 10/26/2013 12:39:53 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: marshmallow
"As Pope Francis said, we have to reach out to the periphery of the world and proclaim the Kingdom of God,” he said. “Even Jesus didn’t proclaim himself. He proclaimed the kingdom.”

So this advisor is stating Pope Francis said that?

Does he not even read the Gospel?

"My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm." Jn 18:36.

Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent." Jn 6:29

3 posted on 10/26/2013 12:44:11 PM PDT by Bayard
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To: marshmallow

“In order to be more like Jesus we must have a government that impoverishes everyone!”

hang on.... instead of that how about we follow the teachings of Jesus??


4 posted on 10/26/2013 12:51:04 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: marshmallow

lamestream media> Dallas Morning Star


5 posted on 10/26/2013 12:52:28 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow; metmom
“Jesus was not rich. He lived as a poor villager. He didn’t want to ingratiate himself with the powers of the world,” Maradiaga told the packed hall at the Irving Convention Center. “If the church has a mission, it is to manifest the deeds of Jesus..."

He died for our sins and showed us the way to become saved!

Isn't that a bit more important?

Should Catholics ride donkeys instead of cars to "be more like Jesus"?

6 posted on 10/26/2013 12:52:31 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: marshmallow; GeronL

He lived as a poor villager.
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Why is it assumed that Jesus was poor?

His father was a carpenter. Jesus was as well. When Jesus was born his parents, Mary and Joseph, could afford the travel to Bethlehem. They wanted to stay in the inn. Obviously, they could afford to pay for the inn or they wouldn’t have asked to stay there. When they needed to flee to Egypt they had the financial means to do so.

So?....Where is all this” poorness” regarding Jesus coming from?


7 posted on 10/26/2013 12:59:08 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime
Why is it assumed that Jesus was poor?

Joseph was not some illegal alien house framer. A carpenter in that society was like being a contractor in ours, and owning a donkey was like owning a Lexus.

8 posted on 10/26/2013 1:02:56 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: GeronL

“In order to be more like Jesus we must have a government that impoverishes everyone!”
hang on.... instead of that how about we follow the teachings of Jesus??
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The irony is that if we lived **all** the Commandments and followed Jesus and His teachings they world would be safer and everyone would enjoy far more prosperity. There would be fewer prisons, fewer police, fewer wars, fewer people on welfare, fewer addictions, fewer divorces, fewer fatherless and motherless children, and people would generally be healthier as well.


9 posted on 10/26/2013 1:03:51 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Yes, I have that thought too.

How many people couldn’t afford a donkey in those days? I bet that was quite an expense.

They had to travel to Bethlehem because big government in Rome was making it as inconvenient as possible to pay taxes.


10 posted on 10/26/2013 1:10:31 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Jeff Chandler

owning a donkey was like owning a Lexus.

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First of all, do we really know Jesus owned a donkey? Secondly, no, owning a horse was like owning a Lexus. Were Jesus to ride into Jerusalem today he would be riding in a Ford Focus. The donkey was symbolic of his humility. If he wanted to impress people he would have ridden a horse.


11 posted on 10/26/2013 1:11:55 PM PDT by NotTallTex
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To: GeronL

The Bible is silent on this, but maybe....just maybe....Jesus supported His**own** ministry of 3 years from His **own** SAVINGS earned by being a carpenter! Gee! Imagine that!


12 posted on 10/26/2013 1:28:47 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: GeronL

One more tidbit from the Bible makes me think that Jesus and His family were solidly middle class: The Wedding where he turned water into wine. That seemed like a middle class celebration to me and Jesus and His mother had been invited.


13 posted on 10/26/2013 1:31:53 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

bump


14 posted on 10/26/2013 1:32:51 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: wintertime

At least two carpenters in the family and it was the Jesus family, so I imagine they were pretty highly rated carpenters and people to deal with, so I agree that he was probably middle class, how could they not be on the high side of their trade?


15 posted on 10/26/2013 2:23:56 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: GeronL

There is no donkey in the Gospel accounts of Jesus’s birth. There’s a donkey in the Palm Sunday sequence, but it’s not His, just borrowed.


16 posted on 10/26/2013 3:36:40 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("The heart of the matter is God's love. It always has been. It always will be."~Abp. Chaput)
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To: wintertime

The Bible is not silent. It says that women such as Joanna, the wife of Herod’s steward Chuza, and other Galilean women supported Jesus out of their own resources.

This does not exclude other sources of support, but the Bible is not silent.


17 posted on 10/26/2013 3:39:21 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("The heart of the matter is God's love. It always has been. It always will be."~Abp. Chaput)
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To: Tax-chick

Also, the Gospel says that Judas Iscariot held the communal purse for Jesus and the Apostles, and “used to steal the contributions.” This tells us they were at least partly funded by donations.


18 posted on 10/26/2013 3:59:04 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("The heart of the matter is God's love. It always has been. It always will be."~Abp. Chaput)
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To: marshmallow

“… We are here to serve, and that requires lowering ourselves to become servants.”

So everyone should be servants, serving servants; makes no sense.


19 posted on 10/26/2013 8:41:40 PM PDT by Daffy
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To: wintertime

I suspect it comes from the “foxes have holes birds of the air have nests but the son of man has no place to lay his head” comment in the gospels.

I don’t disagree that Joseph and Jesus ran a good business and had some $$. You make a good point.

Its also the same way with Peter. He and his father had a fishing fleet, with employees etc. Yet so often I hear them called “ignorant fishermen” often by those who want to make themselves feel smarter.


20 posted on 10/26/2013 8:59:55 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: Tax-chick
There is no donkey in the Gospel accounts of Jesus’s birth.

I saw the movie and you're wrong.

21 posted on 10/26/2013 9:36:43 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Daffy
“… We are here to serve, and that requires lowering ourselves to become servants.” So everyone should be servants, serving servants; makes no sense."

We're all called to be servants by exercising the virtue of charity, not just toward the poor in material ways, but toward everyone God places in our path.

1970 The Law of the Gospel requires us to make the decisive choice between "the two ways" and to put into practice the words of the Lord.26 It is summed up in the Golden Rule, "Whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them; this is the law and the prophets."27 The entire Law of the Gospel is contained in the "new commandment" of Jesus, to love one another as he has loved us.28

Catechism of the Catholic Church

22 posted on 10/26/2013 9:42:29 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Jeff Chandler

“Print the legend.”


23 posted on 10/27/2013 4:12:48 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The heart of the matter is God's love. It always has been. It always will be."~Abp. Chaput)
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To: wintertime
The Wedding where he turned water into wine.

??? So if Jesus was poor He would have turned it into beer?

24 posted on 10/27/2013 4:15:25 AM PDT by Hacksaw (I haven't taken the 30 silvers.)
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To: Hacksaw; wintertime

I think wintertime is implying that poor people would not have held a wedding at which they served wine to their guests. Another possibility is that better-off people holding a wedding would not have invited Jesus, his mother, and his disciples if Jesus was poor.

The first possibility does not seem accurate to me. Poor people save up and/or ask for help from their friends and relatives in order to celebrate their family events. Regarding the second possibility, the society of Judea in the relevant period gave much more weight to tribal and family affiliation than to “socioeconomic class” as it has developed up to the present.


25 posted on 10/27/2013 7:53:56 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The heart of the matter is God's love. It always has been. It always will be."~Abp. Chaput)
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To: Tax-chick

The point is that we shouldn’t assume that Jesus was poor.


26 posted on 10/27/2013 7:56:51 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

The facts in the Gospels can be interpreted in a variety of ways.

What we shouldn’t do is make up things that aren’t in the Gospels at all, such as ownership of a donkey, and then use those non-facts to draw conclusions.


27 posted on 10/27/2013 8:26:14 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The heart of the matter is God's love. It always has been. It always will be."~Abp. Chaput)
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To: BlatherNaut

“We’re all called to be servants by exercising the virtue of charity, ...”

No, we are called to exercise charity. Servants engage in servitude. Perhaps I misunderstand your working definition of “servant.” Please enlighten me.


28 posted on 10/27/2013 8:43:28 PM PDT by Daffy
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To: Daffy
Perhaps I misunderstand your working definition of “servant.” Please enlighten me.

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"What is charity? The virtue by which you love God above all things and your neighbor as yourself for the love of God. "And now there remain faith, hope and charity, these three: but the greatest of these is charity." (1 Corinthians 13:13)

http://onetruecatholicfaith.com/Roman-Catholic-Articles.php?id=639&title=Lesson+34%3A+Charity&category=Catholic+Lessons&page=4

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"Love—caritas—will always prove necessary, even in the most just society. There is no ordering of the State so just that it can eliminate the need for a service of love. Whoever wants to eliminate love is preparing to eliminate man as such. There will always be suffering which cries out for consolation and help. There will always be loneliness. There will always be situations of material need where help in the form of concrete love of neighbour is indispensable"

ENCYCLICAL LETTER DEUS CARITAS EST OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF BENEDICT XVI

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20051225_deus-caritas-est_en.html

29 posted on 10/28/2013 9:38:12 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

Thank you for your instructions on Charity and Love.

Thank you also for citing that chapter of Corinthians. The New American Bible (post Vatican II) rewrote that chapter, substituting the word Love at all eight mentions of the word Charity. (No wonder Catholics are confused!) I, like you, prefer the original, more accurate version.


30 posted on 10/29/2013 7:31:59 PM PDT by Daffy
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To: Daffy
I, like you, prefer the original, more accurate version.

And the language in the older translation is so much more poetic. I recently bought a copy of the "Catholic Answers" NAB, and the verbiage seems so flat in comparison to the Douay Rheims translation. Seems as though beauty (along with precision) has been sacrificed for the sake of readability.

31 posted on 10/30/2013 10:52:19 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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