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Gavin McInnes: I was a pro-choice atheist. Then I had kids. Now Iím a God-fearing pro-life Catholic
Life Site News ^ | October 30, 2013 | JOHN-HENRY WESTEN

Posted on 10/30/2013 3:08:23 PM PDT by NYer

Those of you familiar with the ever-foul-mouthed Gavin McInnes, the co-founder of Vice magazine (so bad I won’t link to it) and founder of Street Carnage (another sleazy website I can’t link to), might be shocked by his declaration this week that he considers himself a God-fearing pro-life Catholic. 

McInnes’ remarks follow a dust-up with feminists during an appearance on a HuffPo panel, during which he dared to suggest that feminism has made women “miserable” by “trivializing motherhood” and forcing women to “pretend to be men.”

In a follow-up interview with The Daily Caller today (WARNING: they didn’t bleep out his foul language) McInnes let go this bombshell about his reaction to having had three children.

“It made me religious. I was an atheist most of my life and now I am a God-fearing Catholic, because of the miracle of life. And I’m pro-life,” he said, noting that he used to be pro-choice and became pro-life with the birth of his first child. 

“Amongst my peers abortion is cool,” he continued. ”It’s like, empowering, and they make jokes about it. Some of my best friends go, ‘I accept that it’s murder and I am pro-choice.’ That’s the world I live in.”

No less stunning (and refreshing) were McInnes remarks (minus the expletives) about feminism during the Huffington Post panel that sparked the backlash that led to the interview with The Daily Caller. 

“We’ve trivialized childbirth and being domestic so much that women are forced to pretend to be men,” McInnes said. “They’re feigning this toughness. They’re miserable. Study after study has shown that feminism has made women less happy. They’re not happy in the workplace for the most part.”

As you can imagine, he was pounced on by the Huff Post host, and the other guests.

In his follow-up interview with The Caller, McInnes was able to expand his argument, noting: “I see the housewife as a far superior vocation to mine, and to most.” He added: “I’m sick of women who haven’t experienced [child birth] trivializing it.”

McInnes said that the only reason people reacted so strongly was because they know what he said is true.

“I think a lot of women smash through the ‘glass ceiling’ and get to where [men] are and they go, ‘wait a minute, I thought you guys had brandy and went to strip clubs, you’re going over expense reports?’ And they see their friends from their small town with 3 kids going to soccer practice and they think, ‘That looks kind of cool, actually.’

“I see a lot of women without kids, in their 40s, who are miserable and I see a lot of women after they have children saying, ‘what the f**k was I doing? Why was I doing fashion PR? I was doing seating plans for a fashion show telling what people sit in what chair. Now I’m shaping human life,” he said. 

“And that is another thing maybe I didn’t get across, I see the housewife as a far superior vocation to mine, and to most,” McInnes added. “I mean I make commercials, and funny videos, and T.V. shows or whatever, film projects that people will watch for ten minutes and go ‘heh’ and get on with their day. I essentially… make comic books. You flip through it and you’re done. My wife creates life from her vagina and then — that’s just the beginning — then she shapes this human life.”

“Who is changing the world more?” he asked.

It seems that McInnes is at least on the road from atheism to a fully lived-out Christianity. Being public about being a ‘God-fearing Catholic’ and pro-life in an atmosphere such as his is courageous to say the least. Let’s hope and pray he sees the light and removes himself from the ‘vice’ he promotes with visuals and language, just as he left Vice Magazine in 2008.


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: bornagain; convert; epiphany; prolife

1 posted on 10/30/2013 3:08:23 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 10/30/2013 3:08:46 PM PDT by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: NYer

We love Gavin. He is a regular on Red Eye, which I can’t recommend because they get sophomorically gross. it’s a tenth grade boys’ humor but with the wisdom of years.

But we are very amused at the parts that are not so.

Gavin fits in, but got very sober and defensive when one of the guys dared to make fun of the Knights of Columbus.


3 posted on 10/30/2013 3:11:30 PM PDT by stanne
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To: NYer
*“I think a lot of women smash through the ‘glass ceiling’ and get to where [men] are and they go, ‘wait a minute, I thought you guys had brandy and went to strip clubs, you’re going over expense reports?*

They never watched the episode of the Flinstones where Fred is granted to opportunity to see what Mr. Slate has to go though after Fred gets to go home for work.

Heavy is the head that wears the crown!

4 posted on 10/30/2013 3:16:34 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: NYer

He’s headed in the right direction at least!

“More power to ya”
~Briscoe Darlin


5 posted on 10/30/2013 3:18:08 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: NYer

Ha! Love it! I, too, am a former liberal who got mugged by reality. And having children did it.


6 posted on 10/30/2013 3:19:22 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Your freeper name says it all :-)


7 posted on 10/30/2013 3:21:49 PM PDT by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

God knows unique people will not all respond to Him by identical ways. Some, it’s their kids. Some, their spouse. Some, family upbringing. Some, a certain event or series of events. He stands at the door, whatever and wherever that door is, and knocks.


8 posted on 10/30/2013 3:25:54 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: NYer

This happened to a friend of mine. She was a pro-choice, liberal feminist in college. Then she got married and had kids. She’s no longer pro-choice by her admission, however, she is still a liberal feminist. She’s actually married to my husband’s friend, who leans conservative and is a Viet Nam vet, so whadda ya gonna do? That whole bunch is pretty liberal. I’m about the only conservative. Good thing we don’t talk much about politics.


9 posted on 10/30/2013 3:33:12 PM PDT by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: stanne

I’ve seen him, and his characters, on Red Eye and never knew he was once a lib idiot.


10 posted on 10/30/2013 3:33:30 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Primary and beat the RINO's.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Indeed He does. ;-)


11 posted on 10/30/2013 3:36:16 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Fledermaus

I have a big heart for recovering libs, I guess.
Anyway, they are informative.


12 posted on 10/30/2013 3:36:36 PM PDT by stanne
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To: NYer

Amazing testimony, and despite the crudeness, I can’t say I disagree.

Feminism is yet another attempt by man to fight against the current of human nature, to try and defy reality. And like other efforts before it, nature will win out. It may take 200 years, but it will happen. Just a question of time.


13 posted on 10/30/2013 3:37:44 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: NYer

kids will change your life ping


14 posted on 10/30/2013 3:40:15 PM PDT by steel_resolve (Ships With Holes Will Sink And I Will Swim)
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To: NYer

I was writing in, yes, another, rant today about this. People are not discerning through choosing leaders, what Rush was talking about regarding krauthammer.

Cheney came out with something similar and I was saying motherhood, women in the home is a missing element, no one is checking on character.

Gavin is right. He might agree with me that motherhood and family needs exaltation, there is a big gap in wisdom sorely missing.

It is a deep rooted problem.

And it has a big root in the attack on the family, and from every direction.

Mothers have rejected motherhood and family, even more than they know.

It reduces the level of discernment in choosing leaders and in advising family and husbands, as well as it diminishes the desire to care for the country, its future, and our progeny. That has all gone down the drain with so many birth control medications.


15 posted on 10/30/2013 3:44:53 PM PDT by stanne
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To: NYer

I was a Catholic single guy.

Now I have kids, and am not Catholic.

So what?


16 posted on 10/30/2013 4:00:52 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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To: NYer

BTTT!


17 posted on 10/30/2013 4:12:34 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

**“It made me religious. I was an atheist most of my life and now I am a God-fearing Catholic, because of the miracle of life.**

How can anyone who sees the miracle of ultra sound not be pro life.


18 posted on 10/30/2013 4:14:46 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Wonderful. God bless you.


19 posted on 10/30/2013 4:15:32 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: donmeaker

You are always a Catholic. The marks of Baptism and/or Confirmation are on your soul forever.

We welcome you back with open arms. Sit down with a priest who will listen and get your questions answered.


20 posted on 10/30/2013 4:17:57 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: donmeaker
Coming Home Network
21 posted on 10/30/2013 4:19:07 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer; zot; FrdmLvr; RushIsMyTeddyBear; stanne; Salvation

It is fine for him to say these things, but what about the woman he is oppressing and forced to have his child! He must be made to pay for his sins against feminism!!! (sarcasm off)

Ah yes, Betty Friedan and her feminist goals came from the heart of Marxism-Leninism and the Communist idea.
and it is from the progressives of the 1930s that grew to fruition in the post-WWII world that gave us the Communist ideal of destroying the family as a means of destroying Western society and free enterprise. Look at the current positions of the Democratic leadership in the House, Senate, and Executive Mansion.


22 posted on 10/30/2013 4:28:59 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Salvation

Question: What does “B” stand for in “Benoit B. Mandelbrot”?

Answer: “Benoit B. Mandelbrot”


23 posted on 10/30/2013 5:01:53 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
Ha! Love it! I, too, am a former liberal who got mugged by reality. And having children did it.

So was I. I married a Republican, God rest his soul, and became one. Both were good moves.

24 posted on 10/30/2013 5:31:02 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: PATRIOT1876
*“I think a lot of women smash through the ‘glass ceiling’ and get to where [men] are and they go, ‘wait a minute, I thought you guys had brandy and went to strip clubs, you’re going over expense reports?*

Ah yes, the glass ceiling, Women's Lib, Gay Lib. How did we ever survive? Women working, thus either leaving their children home or not having any, was a catastrophe for this country...and especially for abandoned and and neglected children.

I knew a woman who worked writing children's books. She got tired of going to an office so she worked at home. She had a little daughter too. Sounds good? Well, daughter was too disruptive and mommy couldn't concentrate, so GUESS who went to child's care and guess who stayed home to do the art work on children's books?
When I heard that garbage from her I never spoke to her again. I doubt she noticed.

25 posted on 10/30/2013 5:37:27 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: donmeaker; Salvation
You are always a Catholic. The marks of Baptism and/or Confirmation are on your soul forever.
We welcome you back with open arms. Sit down with a priest who will listen and get your questions answered. From Salvation.
I was a Catholic single guy.
Now I have kids, and am not Catholic.
So what?From donmeaker.

Salvation is right. You are always a Catholic.
Other Christians can go back and forth between the denominations and they often do.
I have some Presbyterian friends in Texas, God-fearing and church-going GOOD people. I once asked them what the difference was between the various Protestant faiths. They didn't know. They DID know about the bad ole Catholics but they DID NOT know one Protestant theology from another.

As I understand it (See Google.) there are some 30,000-40,000 different Protestant denominations.

One Roman Catholic Church. There used to be Orthodox Catholic Churches but since Pope John XXIII (I think) allowed the vernacular to be used in all Masses, those Orthodox Catholic Churches, Eastern, whatever, had no reason NOT to unite with Rome.
They DID unite once again with Rome. What difference does the language make? God MADE all those languages so it stands to reason that He always knows what we are talking about.

26 posted on 10/30/2013 5:56:26 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Catholicism is a protestant denomination.


27 posted on 10/30/2013 5:58:59 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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To: donmeaker
Catholicism is a protestant denomination.

THAT would mean that Martin Luther, a Catholic priest, was born before Christ.
LOL!!

MARTIN LUTHER: born: November 10, 1483
Birthplace: Eisleben, Germany
Died: February 18, 1546
Martin Luther was German monk, priest, and professor theology whose arguments against the behavior of the Catholic Church in his work Ninety-Five Theses led to the formation of the Protestant Church.

DON IS WRONG THIS TIME. :O(

28 posted on 10/30/2013 6:07:32 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

I am wrong a lot, but don’t see how Catholicism being a protestant religion would logically make Martin Luther, the Catholic priest, predate the birth of Christ.

Catholicism was in protest against any heresy you can care to name. (Let us choose the Roman Paganism).

Such a protest against paganism began based on the evidence that the Church Fathers gave of the life of Jesus and how that related to the Old Testament scriptures.


29 posted on 10/30/2013 6:20:10 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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To: GreyFriar

Seems to me this is what a post-modern shock-jock has to say in order to shock anyone.


30 posted on 10/30/2013 8:15:56 PM PDT by zot
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To: donmeaker

**Catholicism is a protestant denomination.**

Where on earth did you get that idea?

Catholicism was the first church founded by Christ on the Apostles.


31 posted on 10/30/2013 8:41:07 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: donmeaker
I am wrong a lot, but don’t see how Catholicism being a protestant religion would logically make Martin Luther, the Catholic priest, predate the birth of Christ.
I haven't a CLUE what you are talking about here. You misread and misinterpreted EVERYTHING I wrote.

Catholicism was in protest against any heresy you can care to name. (Let us choose the Roman Paganism).
Catholicism was NEVER "in protest" about anything. The early Church fathers deprecated heresy, but all faiths do. Also, Catholicism came into being right during and in the middle of the Roman era. And it wasn't a protest at all. The Catholic Church grew because the early Church fathers fostered it and nurtured it.

Such a protest against paganism began based on the evidence that the Church Fathers gave of the life of Jesus and how that related to the Old Testament scriptures.
Again, I haven't a CLUE as to what you are trying to say. Jesus WAS the fulfillment of the Old Testament. He was the promised Messiah.

32 posted on 10/30/2013 9:14:02 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: stanne
Gavin is great! Miles, on the other hand...
33 posted on 10/30/2013 11:17:27 PM PDT by RPTMS
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To: donmeaker

Your loss.


34 posted on 10/30/2013 11:25:26 PM PDT by RPTMS
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To: donmeaker

Funny, especially if you’re a mathematician, but I’m not smart enough to figure out what that has to do with rejecting Catholicism.


35 posted on 10/31/2013 3:17:12 AM PDT by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: RPTMS

Miles is an ijiut

The dad is great


36 posted on 10/31/2013 4:44:25 AM PDT by stanne
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To: donmeaker

Sure you are. We love ya regardless.

God made you, he knows you.
Stay in the word. We’ll leave the lights on for ya.

Kiss those wonderful kids of yours for me.

And you know all of you are in my prayers... and I humbly request you remember us in yours.


37 posted on 10/31/2013 10:39:15 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray/Penance. Isa 5:18-21,10:1-3 "Tempus faciendi, Domine, dissipaverunt legem tuam")
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To: cloudmountain

I pray to God nothing ever happens to her child, while in the care of others. No one, not even family, takes care of your child like you would.

Us moms get our feelings hurt when the husband speaks a little too harshly to our kids, warranted or not.

She’ll never be able to forgive herself.

It was a prime opportunity for her to educate her child in what she does. No matter how young. She could also become a future writer and mom does write ‘books for children’; Who better to run them past and get ideas from?


38 posted on 10/31/2013 10:42:44 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray/Penance. Isa 5:18-21,10:1-3 "Tempus faciendi, Domine, dissipaverunt legem tuam")
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To: Salvation

Jesus protested the ‘den of thieves’ aspect of Judism of his day, making him a Protestant.


39 posted on 10/31/2013 3:55:10 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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To: donmeaker

What? Those were Jews that he was throwing out of the temple yard.

LOL! Is your history skewed?


40 posted on 10/31/2013 7:19:16 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: donmeaker

Christ fulfilled through the new covenant, not protested.

And Don, do you want to go to the Church Fathers?

Let’s go straight to scripture and John 6. There’s no way around Christ stating several times eat my flesh and drink my blood and many left... He didn’t say you missed my point, I was kidding or I meant the word (which would have been the OT, since nothing had been written or requested to be written, except through John). He asked the disciples if they wanted to leave too. He wasn’t playing, he was for real. This was no allegory, parable, etc..

Of course you know Paul spoke on being guilty of the body and blood of the Lord re: receiving unworthily.

It could be spun anyway you want, translation error (but where did you get the word); The Catholics put that in and that’s a prohibition of Revelation re: adding, removing (I know you don’t want to go there with the reformers). Remember, 10 years after Luther they were having huge problem between themselves. At the Marburg Colloquy Luther went off regarding the Eucharist because he felt they went too far, only for the Zwingli crew to get concession from Calvin (who was right of Bullinger), at the Tigurinus consensus (Calvinists couldn’t understand why he pushed for it, especially with Bucer’s doings in the background).

I’m sure we agree that Luther thought he knew better, he wasn’t the first, will not be the last. But also, all the reformers, if they came back today to view their congregations, would be in shock and not recognize them.

Even Melanchthon wrote his mother that the Protestant religion is the best to live by, but the Catholic the best to die in.

I grew up in the South as a Baptist (down the line, at least four days a week in church for bible study and meetings with the grandparents, visiting the sick and shut in, still do, Sunday school, later teaching, dinner after service, the whole nine); But I was blessed with a pastor, sinner though he was, he was a man, who never dissed other faiths protestant or otherwise, loved Mary and not just on Christmas and really struggled re: Lord’s Supper because he knew there was more, but couldn’t lose his church, or take the embarrassment of moving the church back to it’s roots or teaching more about the fathers.

He thought about his teachers at seminary, his fellow pastors, the family... he would be ostracized. He confided that when many came to him re: marriage, divorce, dying spouse, or even a fellow pastor on his preaching on a certain portion of scripture with a different take... where do you go? Who do you ask? You dig in the scripture and pray/fast and trust you get a word from the Lord or a confirmation through others or a situation.

But we had people some would call blue bloods on the other side of town, till this day I don’t know which denomination folks outside always ranted about, I knew it wasn’t Catholics. Maybe Pres, Methodists, etc..

But we were more worried of being called out from the pulpit, as my pastor did with vigor, on being seen at the juke joint with a woman not your wife or gambling or spotted kissing a boy with your skirt rolled up higher than you left home with (down South, the grapevine was lethal and you may get whipped or admonished 6 times before you made it home).

Wouldn’t trade it for anything. The preaching, hymns, bible drills, etc.. laid a foundation towards the truth. It’s sad many kids today will never have that foundation, much less build upon it and live it.

The typology from scripture itself...

Moses and the chair (we see what Korah, a Levite, with Dathan and Abiram tried to do re: Hey, we’re all holy, who do you think you are to lord it over us? We know better. Cut to hole in the ground, see ya). See, first they went the we’re concerned about you Moses, we can help out; We don’t think God meant for only you to judge from the chair re; disputes, handing down the word, rules. Mind you, God had already given them roles of service, it wasn’t good enough. They had to lead and thought they knew better than God where they were to serve. So obviously, since they called Moses and Aaron out in public, with 250 leaders and representatives of the congregation (so they had to be right you know), they were meeting behind the scenes and plotting ahead of this. It always turns ugly and the truth comes out. So Moses give them what they wanted, told them to fill the censers and incense (priest duties), and let the Lord choose. As I said earlier, it didn’t go well. After picking through the charred bodies of the 250 for the censers, because they were holy, they hammered them into plates on the altar to remind the congregation. God chose Moses, he didn’t choose himself.

The next day, people had the nerve to run their mouths, accusing Moses and Aaron of killing them (I would have been dug in deep, somewhere). Pure blindness and obstinacy. Like I said, nothing new. Again, God said get away from them... Knowing what might come next, Moses asks Aaron to burn incense in a censer to intercede for them, make atonement... Plague. Aaron stands between the dead and the living and God stops it.

To go further, the tribes rods were brought to the holy place and Aaron’s blossomed and grew ripe almonds, hence the priesthood, shut up the congregation, done.

Then we have Balaam wanting to do his own thing after God told him no the first time. Hey, the second offering of bling from the king was too much to resist. Yeah, he didn’t curse Israel and couldn’t if he tried... but he told them how to infiltrate and cause God’s people to sin... therefore invoking the wrath of God upon them (their inside secrets and their past soft spots re; seduce them with the foreign women, then on to Baal or other foreign worship, etc.). Even the ass knew that wasn’t going to work out.

So protest and revolt is nothing new. It started in the garden, because Eve knew better... and her hubby, who was to watch over her and the garden, shirked his duty and went along. Just like the 250 upstanding elders in the congregation re: Korah, Dathan and Abiram; Just like Balaam, who knew better and those throughout history that knew and know better.

We pray the Lord will lead us to all truth.


41 posted on 10/31/2013 8:47:17 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray/Penance. Isa 5:18-21,10:1-3 "Tempus faciendi, Domine, dissipaverunt legem tuam")
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To: AliVeritas

Christ was born in a world that had existing religions. He taught people who had a base of knowledge derived from those existing religions. Where he differed from what came before, he had to explain himself, just as Wycliff, Luthor, Hus and Calvin had to explain themselves.

Jesus was murdered by those threatened by his teaching as were Jan Hus and Ulrich Zwingli. Wycliff has an empty tomb, as does Jesus Christ. Jesus pointed out the corruption in Jewish temple practices, as did Zwingli. Christ’s teachings live on, as do those of Luther, Zwingly, Calvin and Wycliff. Calvin, like Jesus, has multiple sects who claim adherence to his ideas.

Jesus is not the only one who died due to the sins of Christians, or due to the sins of established religion.


42 posted on 11/01/2013 7:44:40 AM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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To: AliVeritas

My limited understanding is that Jesus spoke in parables. Certainly he was familiar with the concept of “metaphor”. I think it a form of insanity to accept biblical metaphors in one situation, but not in another.

“Drink my blood” is quite simply a metaphor. Deal with it.


43 posted on 11/01/2013 7:47:39 AM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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