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America's Fall... The Day of the Lord!
IFB ^ | 10/30/13

Posted on 10/30/2013 3:43:30 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman

My dear friend's, once America's restraint is totally and fully removed in this present world, what is to stop the global lawless march to Doomsday (2 Thess. 2:2-8, Rev. 6-19). My friends, a very sobering NOTHING! That is right, NOTHING! A blind man should see it... and deaf man should hear it... but yet America is sleeping while the Titanic is minutes from going down. It is time for Americans and the world to recognize that The Day of the Lord is closer than it ever was and its horrific shadows linger over our heads as the dark storm clouds of a mighty deadly storm full of power and full of horrific destruction.

My dear friends, Oh how we need Divine REALITY today and not delusional worldly solutions for our EXPONENTIAL global crises. Almighty God cries out to you all day long but will YOU receive Him and His ETERNAL solutions for your life? That is the greatest question ALL must ask themselves in these last days. All these current events and crises of our global community are self-induced by the lawless and godless works of fallen man (Rom. 1:18-32, Gal. 6:7). These products of evil men and their consequences are left in place to bring us to the brink of our delusions so that we may come out of our subjective selves and show us our desperate need for the Savior, His pardon, and His RIGHTEOUSNESS.

My dear friends, WHAT WILL YOU DO? Will you continue to look for worldly solutions and human saviors or will you finally come to the end of yourself and receive the KING of kings and LORD of lords who is the WONDERFUL COUNSELOR and PRINCE of PEACE (Isa. 9:6-7, Rev. 19:11-16).

All ETERNITY is before us and our brief existence in this fallen world is about gone. See the ETERNAL, see the Savior, see the REALITY and you will find the liberation and peace of Almighty God that will calm your hearts in America's last hours.

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved!" (Acts 16:29)!

The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!

DJP I.F.


TOPICS: History; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: america

1 posted on 10/30/2013 3:43:30 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
My dear friend's

Your friend's what? His car? His wife? His dental plan?

Kind of stopped reading right there, bud.

2 posted on 10/30/2013 3:46:16 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

Kind of stopped reading right there, bud.


It’s just as well you quit right there because you wouldn’t get it anyway.


3 posted on 10/30/2013 3:50:09 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Holy is His name and beautiful are His ways, yep a reality like that of the Israeli’s in the desert..a reality like Christ showed us in his time here, one based on the power of our words and faith as we see in Christ..

You are correct, all of man’s ways will perish..that is the only way we seem to learn..all I can say is next time you are in the garden and the Lord says dont do it, don’t...

Peace to you my friend


4 posted on 10/30/2013 3:58:00 PM PDT by aces
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To: laplata
you wouldn’t get it anyway.

Yes, poor writing has that effect.

5 posted on 10/30/2013 4:16:38 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

Yes, poor writing has that effect.


If “friend’s” rather than “friends” is an obstacle for you, it’s a shame.

You ridicule needlessly and contribute nothing.


6 posted on 10/30/2013 4:23:57 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: laplata
You ridicule needlessly and contribute nothing.

What would you prefer that I contribute?

7 posted on 10/30/2013 4:36:47 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

“What would you prefer that I contribute?”

Silence. Even a fool, when he holds his tongue, is counted wise.


8 posted on 10/30/2013 4:40:07 PM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: humblegunner

Something that adds to the discussion.


9 posted on 10/30/2013 4:42:37 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: laplata; humblegunner
hg>Kind of stopped reading right there, bud.

It’s just as well you quit right there because you wouldn’t get it anyway.

Welcome to FreeRepublic

laplata
Since Mar 8, 2013

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
10 posted on 10/30/2013 5:23:50 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: laplata

(Snort)


11 posted on 10/30/2013 5:24:39 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Obama: A dark spot in this country's history.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Thank you.


12 posted on 10/30/2013 5:36:25 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

‘It is time for Americans and the world to recognize that The Day of the Lord is closer than it ever was.”

http://www.patburt.com/


13 posted on 10/30/2013 5:36:25 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: humblegunner

The writer used the word “friends” four times, with only the first use being the improper form, while the other three were proper. Most people who post are imperfect human beings who feel compelled to get a message out there with little time to spend proof reading. And everyone knows that when you proof read your own material your brain will miss the commonest of mistakes, that’s why people who write for a living have editors. But hey, in case you wanna know what the guy was saying... just wait till after the rapture, you’ll be getting the idea.


14 posted on 10/30/2013 5:38:35 PM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Thank you for the good and very important post, The Ignorant Fisherman.


15 posted on 10/30/2013 5:47:04 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

America is not, nor can be, the restrainer of 2 Thess. 2:2-8.

Paul wrote that the Thessalonians knew who and what the restrainer was. The restrainer was already doing the job of restraining because the spirit of antichrist was already at work.

We really don’t need any more wild-eyed, prophetic inventions and interpretations as there are far too many already. Too much is at stake to happhazardly and carelessly interpret these passages thinking it will be helpful. No, it isn’t. The servant of God MUST know how to rightly divide the Word of truth. It is not optional.


16 posted on 10/30/2013 5:56:00 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

There is absolutely no basis for the belief that America or the United States of America, or its survival or non-survival, has anything whatsoever to do with the end of the world, or the end of time, or the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.


17 posted on 10/30/2013 6:11:10 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Thank-you for a good article and God Bless.


18 posted on 10/31/2013 3:04:00 AM PDT by Biggirl (Ā“Go, do not be afraid, and serveĀ”-Pope Francis)
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To: humblegunner

What would you prefer that I contribute?


Something about it may have hit you wrong, but come on and read it as it does make sense.

So many people has put their faith in America and we can now see that our only hope is in God.


19 posted on 10/31/2013 5:48:29 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Arthur McGowan

There is absolutely no basis for the belief that America or the United States of America,


That all depends on how we interpret what we are reading, since the USA is the biggest power this world has ever seen i would not bet on it.

I can easily see the USA as being the eighth beast, but if it is or not i don,t know any more than any one else does.


20 posted on 10/31/2013 6:01:27 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

ping


21 posted on 10/31/2013 8:25:37 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Biggirl

To God be the glory!


22 posted on 10/31/2013 5:15:00 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: Arthur McGowan

My friend, If you see things from a biblical perspective it does. What nation will replace post judeo/christian America? Everything today is EXPONENTIAL and global. Leave God and the Bible out and one will come to the same conclusion. Global implosion then tyranny and EXPONENTIAL lawlessness It is my personal opinion we are near the end.


23 posted on 10/31/2013 5:18:45 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: laplata

Thanks and To God be the glory!


24 posted on 10/31/2013 5:19:21 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: unlearner
My friend, sorry that you misunderstood what was said. I never stated that America was or is the restrainer in 2 Thess 2. It is not... but the majority of the Christian biblical witness and Gospel outreach comes forth from this land. The Holy Spirit who dwells in believers is the witness and the restrainer. When the Rapture takes place and the witness is removed then it is on like Donkey Kong (Rev. 6-19) The truth is a hard thing to recieve may God help see where we are in the light of His Word. Thanks for the reply.
25 posted on 10/31/2013 5:25:10 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: stars & stripes forever

Amen! that there is REALITY and TRUTH!


26 posted on 10/31/2013 5:25:39 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: humblegunner
Yo my dawg... your no ones friend, that's there is truth... lol! But I am yours in spirit and truth and want you to come to know Jesus Christ as you Savior (John 1:12, Acts 4:12-13). May it be so!
27 posted on 10/31/2013 5:29:33 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: aces

Shalom and God speed!


28 posted on 10/31/2013 5:31:22 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

I appreciate your response and did not intend to be overly harsh in my critique of the post. We live in a day when Bible preachers and teachers sometimes go off on tangents with things like billboard campaigns anouncing the date of the Lord’s return only to be proved wrong and receive the mocking of the world over it.

God has greatly used believers in this nation for the past two centuries to impact the world. And you are correct that we should respond to the present chaos and destruction by looking to Him and the coming kingdom.

The interpretation that the Restrainer is the Holy Spirit has had popular reception, but also is not completely consistent with the passage (i.e. 2 Thessalonians 2).

The indwelling of the Holy Spirit in believers today is something that began at Pentecost. However, the spirit of antichrist began to work at Babel where we see God restraining this work of evil for the first time. (See Genesis 11:6 where nothing would be withheld from them apart from God’s intervention.)

Another difficulty with identifying the Restrainer as the Holy Spirit is that Peter says that what happened at Pentecost is a type of what Joel prophecied would happen immediately prior to the Day of the Lord. (See Acts 2:18.) Yet this passage places the Day of Christ AFTER the falling away and the abomination of desolation.

Some clues as to the identity of the Restrainer are in the passage. First, this entity is described as “what” restrains and also “he” (or “He” as the Greek does not have capital letters to indicate which) who restrains. So the Restrainer is both a what and a he. Although it is popular to describe the Holy Spirit as an impersonal force these days, the Bible consistently describes Him as a Person of the Godhead, not a “what” or “it”. Another clue is the context of the teaching. They knew the identity. Wouldn’t it have been nice if Paul had also let us know rather than leave us guessing? In other places Paul revealed new knowledge about end times events, and said such things as “behold I show you a mystery”, yet here he is not disclosing a mystery. It is something that they knew from his general ministry and teaching. It is something we can know as well.

What was the topic of Paul’s teaching other than the Day of the Lord and the return of Christ? It is clear here he was talking about The Antichrist. That is, he was describing a specific person that will yet apper on the scene in the last days and what the order of events must be in order to fulfill scripture. What scripture?

Christ taught about the Antichrist with similar details (e.g. Matthew 24). Was this all new revelation from Christ or Paul? No. Christ specifically directs the listener (and reader) back to Daniel. Paul not only brought new revelation, but also taught from the pages of the Old Testament. Because Paul does not say this is new and because he does not specify the identity of the restrainer here, it is reasonable to inquire as to whether that identity is found in the Old Testament and particularly in Daniel. Again, it is Daniel who revealed the original prophecy of the abomination of desolation under discussion here and in Christ’s teaching.

So, does a restrainer exist in Daniel? The answer is, yes.

We see a specific pattern in Daniel connecting the abomination of desolation to what is known as the 70th week. We find details about what the Antichrist will do and in what order. That specific event unlocks our understanding of this prophecy in Daniel 9 and then also in 10-12. So it is mentioned in 9:27 but also in more detail in 11:31 and again in 12:11.

What happens at the abomination of desolation?
1. The antichrist’s treaty to protect Israel is broken at the half-way point of the seven-year period. 2. The Antichrist launches a persecution against Jews and possibly Christians (depending on who Christ meant when He said “then they will deliver you up to be killed” in Matthew 24:9) known as the Great Tribulation. 3. According to Paul, this event constitutes the “revealing” of the Antichrist. 4. The event itself is an act of defiling a yet-to-be-built temple in Jerusalem where the Antichrist sets himself up as God to be worshipped.

Now what about the Restrainer?
First, we must understand that these events will unfold in God’s timing. The Antichrist signing a treaty or defiling the temple will not trigger Christ’s return or anything else God is doing. Rather, God is controlling the timing of these events. In 2 Thessalonians, Paul was addressing the timing of Christ’s return. He said this event had not happened (they didn’t miss the rapture and enter into the Day of the Lord period of wrath Paul described in his first letter to them). He explained that certain events had to happen first. But even so, God is in control of those events.

What we see in Daniel 12 and also in Revelation 12 is that there are events in Heaven happening behind the scenes which are tied to these same events on earth. If you read these passages, you will see that something occurs at the exact same time, in the middle of Daniel’s seventieth week, in Heaven. What is that? We see Satan cast out of Heaven by Michael the arch angel. In Daniel we see that Michael is a Prince with a specific job to protect Israel, and that he “stands up” (or possibly “stands aside” based on the context in which he is already standing and then proceeds to stand). Both passages clearly indicate this event is at the middle of the 70th week.

Why is this significant? Because the Devil wants to attack Israel but can only do what God allows. Michael is restraining his efforts to harm Israel. But something happens in Heaven at this specific point in time which allows the abomination of desolation to occur. That event has to do with Michael casting Satan out of Heaven.

Does this fit our clues? Yes. Michael is a “what”, that is an angel, meaning what type or order of being he is. Michael is also a “he”. Angels are generally described in the masculine and as being like men (even though they are neither male nor female). We see other entities like nations described in the feminine. ( I realize you already clarified that you are not claiming America to be the Restrainer, but I bring that up for those who might want to eliminate this from the list of possibilities).

So, the best explanation from scripture as to the identity of the Restrainer is that he is Michael the arch angel.

What is more important to understand here is that this and other scriptures inform us of a distinction between the Great Tribulation (which begins at the abomination of desolation in the middle of Daniel’s 70th week), and the Day of the Lord (which is also described as the Day of Christ and the Day of Wrath). The Church clearly is taken out of the world when the Day of the Lord begins. Our understanding of the distinction between the Day of the Lord and Daniel’s 70th week, and the Great Tribulation help us to have a somewhat better picture of when the rapture will occur in relation to these events.

While I do not realistically expect to settle this debate for everyone, for those who are able to receive it and find it helpful, the order is:

a false peace,
the beginning of sorrows with mass deaths by war, famine, disease, etc.,
the great tribulation beginning with the abomination of desolation,
signs in the heavens culminating with the “rapture” of believers,
the day of the Lord wherein God pours out His wrath on earth,
the establishment of the kingdom, and then
the final judgment.

This specific series of events is described in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and Revelation.


29 posted on 10/31/2013 9:06:04 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

I don’t doubt that God will punish America for the murder of 57 million babies—a crime committed by 100 million Americans, not a small cadre of government employees. I don’t doubt that God’s providence is at work at all places and all times.

What I doubt is that there is anything in Scripture that refers directly to America.


30 posted on 11/01/2013 10:05:15 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

indeed... and we say Hitler and Stalin murdered millions... are we any better as a nation?

That is it my friend, we are not there or mentioned. When a nation which was founded on the Laws of Nature and Natures God implodes what is left in this EXPONENTIAL technological day to keep the world’s lawless nations and dictators from total dominion and nuke war... That is why I believe we are at the end. Remove America’s presence from the world stage and then we will have global tribulation (Rev. 6-19)


31 posted on 11/04/2013 4:00:24 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
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