Skip to comments.Religion stoush as questions are raised over communion wine hygiene (Catholic Caucus)
Posted on 11/01/2013 9:51:32 AM PDT by RBStealth
Australia: AN unholy headache is developing for major churches, with questions raised over whether sacramental wine passes hygiene standards.
Former Warrnambool mayor Frank McCarthy, a devout Catholic, is calling for the time-honoured tradition of drinking from a shared goblet during services to be scrapped.
Mr McCarthy said wholesale consumption of wine from the same chalice would not be allowed in any pub or restaurant and queried why churches were given an exemption.
The former businessman said the risk of spreading disease was heightened with a shared cup. The rules and regulations surrounding beverages are pretty clear and no pub or soft drink seller would willingly allow the use of glasses for people to repeatedly drink out of, Mr McCarthy said yesterday.
Imagine if a publican said to four customers Im only going to pour one beer, so youll all have to sip from the one glass.
It just wouldnt happen.
He has raised his concerns with church officials in Warrnambool.
National Council of Priests of Australia chairman Eugene McKinnon said it was not compulsory for Catholic parishioners to drink consecrated wine.
(Excerpt) Read more at standard.net.au ...
Just the case of an Australian Mayor (Catholic) making a lot of noise!
Although I think it smart when a terrible influenza or other communicable disease comes in our midst, then the communicants will need to reevaluate or reduce their risk to disease in appropriate ways.
What???? You mean if a group of people in an Aussie pub wanted to voluntarily pass around a mug of grog and each take a sip from it that would somehow be illegal or perhaps the pub owner would run out and put a stop to it? Nonsense.
how about sharing peace pipe.....ugggh
I won’t take communion from a common cup. Period.
Most people think bacteria.
My brother studied parasitology (not the democrats, the other ones). We once had a lengthy discussion. I never talk parasites (except the democrat ones) with him anymore.
I take communion wine from the cup. If I’m in the first two pews. If there are not any TB infected illegal aliens(Mexican indians) ahead of me. i’m from Southern Calif. If the people ahead of me look healthy. And then again if I’m amongst the first 2, 3 or 4 to actually sip from it, depending on how I feel about the situation.
The local bishop tried to stop the Cup, but the priests said "Have faith! For it is the Blood of Christ which is Pure and Holy and Miraculous."
No one got sick from drinking from the Cup of Jesus` Blood here in 40 years in the Bay Area since I have heard of this attempt to ban it.
No source of disease has ever been traced to the Cup of Jesus` Blood ever here.
AIDS, etc all were scare tactics but no AIDS,etc., was ever traced to the Holy Cup of Jesus` Blood.
Au Contraire, The Blood of Jesus cures people of their diseases thru faith, not spreads disease.
Two of the priests that administered Communion under both forms had AIDS, as they died of later, and not one person caught AIDS from the Host nor the Cup traceable back to these priests. I received Communion for 20 years from one of these AIDS priests and never got AIDS nor nuthin nor anyone in that congregation neither.
These same perverts who are so concerned about germs during Holy Communion couldn’t give a flying you know what about germs, STDs, etc. that they pick up from their unholy communions.
Communion by Intinction
Intinction: “Dipping the bread in the cup
Intinction is an ancient method of taking the elements during Communion. Many people prefer it because there
is not need to drink from the cup after another has done so.
It is one of the four ways approved in the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church for administering Holy Communion under the form of wine as well as of bread: “The norms of the Roman Missal admit the principle that in cases where Communion is administered under both kinds, ‘the Blood of the Lord may be received either by drinking from the chalice directly, or by intinction, or by means of a tube or a spoon’ (General Instruction of the Roman Missal, 245). As regards the administering of Communion to lay members of Christ’s faithful, the Bishops may exclude Communion with the tube or the spoon where this is not the local custom, though the option of administering Communion by intinction always remains. If this modality is employed, however, hosts should be used which are neither too thin nor too small, and the communicant should receive the Sacrament from the Priest only on the tongue” (General Instruction of the Roman Missal, 285b and 287).
“The communicant must not be permitted to intinct the host himself in the chalice, nor to receive the intincted host in the hand. As for the host to be used for the intinction, it should be made of valid matter, also consecrated; it is altogether forbidden to use non-consecrated bread or other matter.”
>I received Communion for 20 years from one of these AIDS priests and never got AIDS nor nuthin nor anyone in that congregation neither.
You do know that Aids is a sexually trasmittable disease, also through shared syringes and blood transfusions.
So no one getting AIDS at your church is not proof of anything, except that parishioners werent sleeping with the priests.
Well, I’m with him, although not for health reasons. Communion under both species (bread and wine) seems to be done primarily in Catholic churches in liberal English-speaking areas, and it started against the regulations and was de facto approved first in the US.
There’s no need for it, it slows down and clutters up the Communion line, and it has resulted in some unfortunate accidents (which I have seen on more than one occasion) where either an elderly parishioner or one of the ditzy “EEMS” drops or spills the chalice.
I rarely see this in Spanish speaking or Southern European countries, except in the most “kumbaya” churches which, alas, exist there too.
So it was a case where deliberately ignoring the rules led to a change in practice. Interesting.
Re germs - One of my family members used to be an EM and was required to consume the Blood remaining in the chalice. Between the phlegm and the germs, he caught strep and other illnesses multiple times in a single year. The possibility of germ transmission is real. Wiping the rim with a cloth as they do between communicants basically just smears the saliva and the germs around.
Theres no need for it,
True. Christ is present in the Sacred Host - Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity.
When I was a student at American U. (Washington DC) I volunteered as an acolyte. The first Sunday, after church, the priest was upset with me because I had not finished the wine in the chalice. I explained that I was on medication and that alcohol was out of the question. He really got mad then, it was not wine, there was no alcohol... I told him that, the way I understood transubstantiation, it had all the chemical properties of alcohol and I was not going to take my chances. I understood his position, he did not want to finish all chalices, although if he really believed there was no alcohol... Oh, well, it was alcohol when he was drinking but it wasn't if I was drinking!
With all due respect this is a Catholic Caucus where you have just posted and pinged 10 of your best friends.
First of all, I did not catch that this discussion was limited to Roman Catholics. What I saw was a topic of great interest to all sacramental churches, e.g., Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican/Episcopalian, Eastern Orthodox.
Furthermore, I posted an elaborate defense of communion with the chalice, and against the meddling politician. I would think that would be received as a friendly post.
As far as pinging others, again, I did not realize this was a closed caucus.
Finally, if you or the mod has the content of my now deleted post, I would appreciate it if you could send it back to me via freepmail. I put a lot of thought and time into what I wrote.
check out the SF Examiner and Chronicle`s 1980`s 1990`s when AIDS was rampant in the SF Bay Area.
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