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To: tomsbartoo
Nevertheless, I sense that like any other movement, the goals of the the activists will shift as their philosophy become more acceptable, and eventually, they will want believers not to believe.

We'll see, I suppose...I certainly have no desire to force anyone not to believe; for that matter, I don't even want anyone not to believe. Different strokes and all that.

(The main thing I want is for the Government to simply leave me alone, but that's a topic for another thread)

20 posted on 11/03/2013 7:40:10 PM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell

I’ll gladly accept that representation on your part, and I assume many other atheists are of a similar mind. But, oddly enough, the concern you are expressing regarding government’s imposition of their various solutions on your life is what prompts my concern with atheism.

Your complaint that “government”, is telling you what to do, may not be correct. It’s true, it is the government mandates that we must follow, but if you think it through, you might well conclude that it is the media and various interest groups that are the driving force, rather than some politician or faceless government bureaucrat that’s simply “following orders”.

It’s certainly true that the politicians and bureaucrats create the policies and draft the orders, but they are really doing no more than fulfilling the demands of society, since the laws that are made are no more than a reflection of our societal beliefs. It may appear to be our “government” that’s moving to take away our right to own a handgun; but in actuality, it is the press and the anti-gun interest groups that push the politicians within our government in that direction. The same thing can be said of virtually every other issue as well. As trite as it may sound, we are the government––not necessarily with our vote, but through our collective belief systems. As Pogo once remarked: “we have met the enemy and it is us”.

So although your desire to have government leave you alone is commendable (and I’m speaking as a libertarian who who has voted for candidates like Harry Brown and Ron Paul in the past, and sees much right in the thinking of John Gault); I would respectfully suggest that your objections to government are actually being reinforced by your atheistic beliefs. I’m certain we would agree that the individuals within our society are being coerced in various ways to become more and more depended upon government so that our worldly needs are fulfilled. But you and I part company when it comes down to assigning responsibility as to the reason why this is happening. But it is the assignation of that blame where the role of God and the philosophy of atheism are most at odds. (IMHO)

Faithful Catholics believe that all of our needs are fulfilled by Jesus Christ––we believe that we do not need a government (or anyone else) to provide us with any of the necessaries to enjoy a happy and fulfilling life on this earth. We look to no one but God for everything. An atheist does not enjoy that faith. For the atheist, his or her needs on this earth must be fulfilled by some other provider––most often, government. You and others might say that you don’t need government and that each individual will take care of their own selves. A noble thought, of course, but in practice, that philosophy only works well for people who are not experiencing problems. All of us are quite brave, strong and independent before the shooting begins. When that happens as it most assuredly will, most turn for help.

And voila, the need for government!!

Much more could be said, but then I’d really be going off topic.


23 posted on 11/04/2013 2:20:11 PM PST by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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