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Mormon-evangelical detente? Mouw, Zacharias to speak to LDS again
Deseret News ^ | Thursday, Oct. 31 2013 | Tad Walch

Posted on 11/04/2013 9:54:21 PM PST by restornu

The chill seemed to begin to thaw for some in 2004 when Mouw introduced Ravi Zacharias at the LDS Church's Salt Lake Tabernacle. Mouw spoke for seven minutes and apologized for evangelicals who had "misrepresented the faith and belief of Latter-day Saints."

"Let me state it clearly," Mouw said. "We evangelicals have sinned against you."

Mouw didn't flinch despite criticism of the apology by other evangelicals and published a book last year titled "Talking with Mormons: An Invitation to Evangelicals." He practices “convicted civility,” which he says is different from what he calls the “ ‘anything-goes’ compromised relativism so popular in American religion.”

Zacharias followed Mouw to the Tabernacle pulpit and delivered the first lecture by an internationally renowned evangelical leader in the Tabernacle in 105 years.

The Deseret News first reported earlier this month that Zacharias is scheduled to return to the Tabernacle in January at the LDS Church's invitation. He also will speak at BYU as part of a "Faith, Family and Society" lecture series that brought both Moore's predecessor, Richard Land, and Assemblies of God general superintendent George Wood to BYU in September and included an October address by Albert Mohler, head of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. (Please see the Deseret News Q&As with Land, Wood and Mohler.)

Mohler is scheduled to return to BYU to speak at a nationally televised campus forum in February.

What is motivating the dialogue?

Mormons and evangelicals agree on issues like religious liberty, humanitarian aid and the importance of families.

Talking to Religion News Service writer Adelle M. Banks, the LDS Church's director of interfaith relations, John Taylor, said, “There’s a realization among faith groups generally that despite doctrinal differences — and we have doctrinal differences, there’s no question about that — we do have areas of commonality."

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Summary The visits of evangelical leaders to BYU signal a new evangelical-Mormon detente, a news service says. That "detente" now includes scheduled visits by noted evangelicals Richard Mouw and Ravi Zacharias, who will speak to LDS audiences in Utah. “Leaders of the two faiths appear to have reached a new juncture, with some on both sides seeing benefits in more public engagement.” Religion News Service
1 posted on 11/04/2013 9:54:22 PM PST by restornu
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To: restornu

I’ve never heard if these guys and they don’t speak for me.

We do have doctrinal differences and we have common interest but, we are not of the same tree.

Make no mistake about that.

Nice to see you again Resty.

Hope all is well.

I hope you will invite Sandra back.


2 posted on 11/04/2013 10:28:59 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: restornu

The LDS church needs to become a more normal Christian church wrt theology.


3 posted on 11/05/2013 12:31:25 AM PST by varmintman
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To: Vendome
I’ve never heard if these guys.......

I'm unfamiliar with Mouw but Ravi Zacharias is an absolute brilliant apologist for the faith who most often lectures in the lions' den, so to speak.

4 posted on 11/05/2013 1:47:31 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: varmintman

They can’t.

They are the one true church.

You worship in an apostate faith and state.

They are Christian.

You are a Christian.

The difference is subtle but, it’s there.

They make no claim to be a larger part of the today of Christ .

They send 52,000 missionaries into the world each year t inform them they must be Mormon to enter Heaven and must pass bu Joseph Smith, with a passport. Upon his approval and pleasure you may enter.

Etc etc etc...


5 posted on 11/05/2013 2:28:57 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: restornu

The only thing they should be doing with Mormons is witnessing to them. Christians don’t join hands with one of Satan’s false religions to fight Satan in the culture or to win politically.

“And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.”


6 posted on 11/05/2013 3:44:15 AM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: restornu

I need more information.....this does not compute.


7 posted on 11/05/2013 4:35:46 AM PST by Guenevere (....)
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To: restornu

Thanks for posting — this is good to see. There’s a whole lot that Mormons have in common with evangelicals.

Faith in Christ, Christian morals and values, along with religious freedom issues are all central to our faiths. The more friendly we can become, the better, IMO.


8 posted on 11/05/2013 4:46:44 AM PST by Normandy
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To: Normandy

In the faith realm we have virtually nothing in common. You have faith in another Jesus and you believe another gospel. Christians are commanded to separate ourselves from apostasy. We should share the biblical gospel, the only gospel that saves, with Mormons, but we cannot join forces with them.


9 posted on 11/05/2013 5:34:12 AM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: restornu

Evangelicals from outside the state of Utah, who don’t actually live in the culture, love to come visit and act smart and chummy and informed with the LDS leaders.

Pastors inside the state look at these guys as knuckleheaded faux experts making a mess of things. There are layers in this culture that short-term visitors won’t see.


10 posted on 11/05/2013 5:49:11 AM PST by lurk
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To: Normandy; restornu

Hey mormons, get over it already...I don’t know of any one who doesn’t think the people who are mormon aren’t like other regular folks in the world. Some good, some bad...and if the mormons think that these guys speak for me, they’re wrong.

And the interesting thing is the abject hypocrisy by mormons...you all can send out 60k missionaries to tell the rest of the world that we’re wrong, apostate, etc., yet when an evangelical dares to challenge your teachings, wow, look out, thin skinned cries of bigotry and hatred spew forth.

Let’s be clear (again)...It’s the doctrine, false prophets, false interpretations (book of abraham), false teachings, etc....it’s not the people, unless you act like some kind of liberal (Reid, Huntsman, Romney) or play the victim card the minute someone challenges what you’re saying.


11 posted on 11/05/2013 6:47:03 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: restornu

Many doctrines that bring differences is doctrine that is not even mentioned in the Gospel of Jesus so even though i have nothing against Mormons or Catholics either one it is a waste of time to argue about something that is not there.


12 posted on 11/05/2013 7:00:17 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: SZonian

Hi SZ,

I’ve been challenged many times, especially here, about my beliefs and it doesn’t upset me. If I’ve spewed forth bigotry and hatred, please forgive me — but I can’t remember doing so.

I’m just glad to see evangelicals and Mormons getting together and getting along. I’m sure doctrinal differences will remain, but there’s a lot we have in common, and if we can work together to make the world better in certain areas, why not?

Best,

Normandy


13 posted on 11/05/2013 7:30:00 AM PST by Normandy
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To: Normandy

Hi Norm,

Hope all is well with you and yours. No, you are quite the exception...almost to a fault. Can’t help but like you. ;^)

But there are many others on these boards that don’t hesitate to spew...it was a general statement, not neccessarily directed at the FReeper Mormons or Mormons in general.

My apologies if my comment gave that impression.

Best,
SZ


14 posted on 11/05/2013 9:44:26 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Normandy

Some might argue that Mormons are better than Christians.

Mormons can become Gods themselves, Christians can’t.


15 posted on 11/05/2013 11:51:52 AM PST by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: SZonian

Yes, we’re doing well thanks, SZ, all things considered. No problem — I didn’t think you were targeting me in your comments.

I don’t see any virtue in getting mean and nasty.

Best wishes,

Normandy


16 posted on 11/05/2013 12:13:18 PM PST by Normandy
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To: restornu

Catholic, LDS Members Collaborate on Christmas Film (+trailer)
http://www.ldsliving.com/story/74148-catholic-lds-members-collaborate-on-christmas-film-trailer


17 posted on 11/06/2013 1:05:05 PM PST by restornu (Love One Another)
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To: Normandy

Hi Normandy

Let it be the work of the Lord is going forth no matter what...

Did you hear about this new movie
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3087592/posts?page=17#17


18 posted on 11/06/2013 1:09:26 PM PST by restornu (Love One Another)
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To: restornu

I think that’s the wrong link.


19 posted on 11/06/2013 5:19:37 PM PST by Normandy
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To: Normandy
There's actually very little if anything Christians have in common with the belief system and ritual practices of the Mormon.....they play lip-service to Christian teachings while defiling them completely by believing they will become Gods...completely usurping the Centrality of the Sovereign Christ....to that of a false, counterfeit Christ who is an impostor.
20 posted on 11/07/2013 10:24:41 AM PST by caww
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To: .45 Long Colt
It's interesting that Mormons are delighted, of course, to think it's a possibility they could be accepted as Christians by some, they have sought this for eons,....but equally interesting, and rightfully, so is the Christian Community on a whole are not the least bit on board with this and will continue to expose their counterfeit Christianity and the impostor Christ they serve.

We know that as that day approaches there will be an inculsion and acceptance, in various forms, of all the faiths under the umbrella of a World Religious Council over these various faiths and beliefs.

Evangelicals and others are going into these various religions as the final opportunity for them to seek the true Christ and Christianity before they are so willfully blinded they will accept 'the great deception' when God sends it.....it will be too late then. And that day does appear to be drawing closer as we know.

21 posted on 11/07/2013 10:37:57 AM PST by caww
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To: caww

I know there are differences in doctrine, but I think we have common concerns, values, morals and desires for our families and communities. We all want the freedom to practice our religions in peace and freedom. If we can work together in those areas it’s a good thing.


22 posted on 11/07/2013 12:56:20 PM PST by Normandy
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To: Normandy

I disagree it’s simply differences in doctrines.....Christianity serves the Risen Christ Jesus...Mormonism teaches a counterfeit impersonator Christ...and that with all the trappings of a false religion.....The two are incompatible and diametrically opposed.

I understand you believe there is common ground.....but that common ground has nothing to do with accepting other faiths as Christian when they are clearly not.

Islam also has desires for family and community....values, morals and common concerns....as well as wanting freedom to practice their religion in Peace. As do Buddists and Hindu’s and those who believe in Voodoo.....they may see common ground as well but that does not include them as part of the Christian Community of Believers....nor do they seek that as Mormons do.

The difference between these other religions is they are seperate from Christianity and understand that they are....Mormons, on the other hand, have for years been trying to get the Christian Community to agree and accept that they are a part of “Christianity” when clearly they are not to any who take the time to investigate their history as well as their positioning throughout the world.....they are in fact a huge international corporation operating under a mask of religion which keeps their membership in monetary bondage to their organization and it’s leadership... and this in order to fund their investments, real estate and various enterprises worldwide.

You and I will differ on this pretty much entirely, as we have in the past....and will have to leave it at that.


23 posted on 11/07/2013 8:35:50 PM PST by caww
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To: caww; Normandy

thank you for your concept but that is not totally accordant sad you don’t know who you are but when one does become aware it is humbling and joyous experiences when the Holy Spirit bears witness.

Romans 8

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

1 John 3
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Rev 3
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Ps 82
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Matt 5
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


24 posted on 11/08/2013 4:45:42 AM PST by restornu (Love One Another)
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To: restornu
Fri..Nov. 8,2013.........."Mormon Church increases its land stake in Florida"

( As I said The Mormon Church is a huge 'international corporation' operating with a religious mask in order to keep it's membership in financial bondage to it's leadership in order to fund their investments worldwide ...Here is todays news on one of their most recent investment...millions of membership dollars for their investors to attain this property, and htis is just one of many!)

The Mormon church stands to own nearly 2 percent of Florida by completing a deal to buy most of the real estate of the St. Joe Co. for more than a half-billion dollars.

The megapurchase was announced jointly Thursday by a 'corporate' representative of church, which already owns the nearly 295,000-acre Deseret Ranches in Central Florida. According to the announcement, "a church entity, ...(AgReserves Inc. 'a company 'of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,)....... will maintain timber and agricultural uses of the Panhandle acreage, according to the announcement................ will buy 382,834 acres – the majority of St. Joe's timberlands – in Bay, Calhoun, Franklin, Gadsden, Gulf, Jefferson, Leon, Liberty and Wakulla counties for $565 million.

Commissioner of Agriculture Adam Putnam praised the announced deal as.." long-term investment" in the state's timber and cattle business".......

.....Desert Ranches already owned by the Mormon Corporation....with 44,000 head of cattle,.... the ranch property also is 'one of the nation's largest producers of calves' and manages thousands of acres of citrus groves, vegetable farms and timberlands..

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-mormon-deseret-huge-land-deal-20131107,0,697936.story

Privately owned by the Mormon Church with 44,000 head of cattle on 290,000 acres. Desert Ranch

Mormon Members pay for these investment by extortion from it's members ...."rules" for tithing through sacrifice

25 posted on 11/08/2013 9:02:15 AM PST by caww
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To: caww; Elsie
This is not Christianity nor will it ever be.


26 posted on 11/08/2013 9:04:43 AM PST by caww
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To: caww

Another misconception caww of this article and its mission which is to provide for the continuation of the Lord’s Providence Living program in these latter days http://www.providentliving.org/?lang=eng


27 posted on 11/08/2013 10:36:54 AM PST by restornu (Love One Another)
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To: restornu
Not true....though Mormonism does brainwash it's members to believe that.....Your’re leadership is laughing all the way to the banks on their huge profits, but because the members are so indoctrinated that this is for their good, via false teachings by it's leadership,....it is more than difficult for it's members to see through the ‘fog of deception’ they are under.

Mormons are under the false impression they will be sustained by these investments in real estate, farms etc cattle...as well as their hotels and various other investments by their leadership......what they do not realize is there will be a selection of those favored elites within Mormonism as well as those who are not members....who will be the only ones who benefit. The overall membership is not included...they are storing up for the elites and can't see through the fog to discern their intentions.

28 posted on 11/08/2013 10:48:19 AM PST by caww
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To: restornu

You are venturing out into the world of ideas again by posting this?

Will it get pulled, as others have been in the past, by the original poster, when the direction of ‘dialog’ fails to go in the intended path?

Wouldn’t it be safer to make it ECUMENICAL?


29 posted on 11/08/2013 10:57:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
They make moo-goo dollars off the storage food they sell you from their companies as well.....what ever you store will be all you get...all the rest of their investments are for the elites.


30 posted on 11/08/2013 10:58:47 AM PST by caww
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To: Normandy
There’s a whole lot that Mormons have in common with evangelicals.

But Norm, SURELY you know it's the DIFFERENCES that make us unique.

31 posted on 11/08/2013 10:58:47 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Normandy
Faith in Christ, Christian morals and values, along with religious freedom issues are all central to our faiths.

I guess this works for 85% of you MORMONs; but there is the 15% that rely upon...


 

Temple Recommend Questions



1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do you keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?






Do YOU have a Temple Recommend?

32 posted on 11/08/2013 11:01:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Normandy; restornu
Do YOU have a Temple Recommend?

How about the rest of you MORMONs in this thread.

Got that valuable little card or not?

33 posted on 11/08/2013 11:02:26 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

I suspect they’ll drop off before they will look at the truth of their leaderships deceptions.....much like Obama supporters...they cannot grasp the truth, nor do they want to know it, because it is simply too painful to imagine they’ve genuinely been fooled...and often for years and years of their life.


34 posted on 11/08/2013 11:03:43 AM PST by caww
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To: Normandy
I’ve been challenged many times, especially here, about my beliefs and it doesn’t upset me.

FRom what I can remember; each 'challenge' was met by SILENCE about anything that is unique to MORMONism.

Got a TR or not?

Believe we Protestants and Catholics are WHORES or not?

Gonna be a god yourself someday or not?

Think you are REALLY damned or not by not accepting and practicing polygamy?

35 posted on 11/08/2013 11:05:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SZonian; Normandy
No, you are quite the exception...almost to a fault. Can’t help but like you. ;^)

AMEN!

Never a harsh word towards any of us.

36 posted on 11/08/2013 11:07:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Catholic, LDS Members Collaborate on Christmas Film (+trailer)


Besides the acreage on which the Jerusalem Motion Picture Set is located, the property includes desert similar to the Judean Plains, sand dunes, a river that ideally resembles the ancient River Jordan where Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist, and an area suited for the Garden of Gethsemane where the Savior atoned for the sins of mankind.
 
 
SURE He did!!!
 
http://newsroom.lds.org/article/church-goshen-movie-highlight-life-jesus-christ
 
 
Just as FAKE as MORMONism!            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0u9WVfNqLA&feature=player_embedded

37 posted on 11/08/2013 11:08:23 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Normandy
We all want the freedom to practice our religions in peace and freedom.

Uh... you DON'T have this now?

Or do you mean you'd like all your critics silenced?

38 posted on 11/08/2013 11:09:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Are you WORTHY enough to enter the (any) Mormon Temple Restornu?

Do YOU have a TR card??

39 posted on 11/08/2013 11:11:05 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: caww
Some things can only be understood through the spirit of the Lord not a man earthly conception.

John 14
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.

25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, (a)he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

(this is clear as day yet it does not compute in some)

29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence. Isaiah 57
13 ¶When thou criest, let thy companies deliver thee; but the wind shall carry them all away; vanity shall take them: but he that putteth his trust in me shall possess the land, and shall inherit my holy mountain;

14 And shall say, Cast ye up, cast ye up, prepare the way, take up the stumblingblock out of the way of my people.

15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit,** to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

16 For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.

17 For the iniquity of his covetousness was I wroth, and smote him: I hid me, and was wroth, and he went on frowardly in the way of his heart.

18 I have seen his ways, and will heal him: I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners.

19 I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the Lord; and I will heal him.

20 But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.

21 There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.

**
Moroni 10
3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts.

4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.

5 And (a)by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.

6 And whatsoever thing is good is just and true; wherefore, nothing that is good denieth the Christ, but acknowledgeth that he is.

7 And ye may know that he is, by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore I would exhort you that ye deny not the power of God; for he worketh by power, according to the faith of the children of men, the same today and tomorrow, and forever.

8 And again, I exhort you, my brethren, that ye deny not the gifts of God, for they are many; and they come from the same God. And there are different ways that these gifts are administered; but it is the same God who worketh all in all; and they are given by the manifestations of the Spirit of God unto men, to profit them.

(a)There is no other way to know these things but by the power of the Holy Ghost!

40 posted on 11/08/2013 11:33:25 AM PST by restornu (Love One Another)
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To: caww

They make moo-goo dollars off the storage food they sell you from their companies as well...

Clarify Please?


41 posted on 11/08/2013 11:38:16 AM PST by restornu (Love One Another)
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To: caww

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3087592/posts?page=41#41

Would a appreciate an answer

Thank you


42 posted on 11/08/2013 12:07:43 PM PST by restornu (Love One Another)
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To: restornu

Doesn’t need clarification....they are in the business of making merchandise of their own members....that’s clearly evidenced just by looking into the holdings and companies which are run and operated by the Leadership and those they partner with within and without the Mormon Organization.

Extortion comes into play as well because they threaten people who do not keep up with their tithes...in one form or another. Though this too cannot be seen by those who are in the fog of the leaderships deceptive teachings and brainwashing.

There is a reason why it’s called brainwashing. You might want to investigate what that is.


43 posted on 11/08/2013 12:11:04 PM PST by caww
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To: caww

Sorry Caww that still does not answer who is selling to whom and what companies are you talking about?

So please clearify

Thank you


44 posted on 11/08/2013 1:45:30 PM PST by restornu (Love One Another)
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To: Elsie

Hi Elsie — the freedom of religion we enjoy is a blessing that is sadly not available everywhere on earth and I want everyone to have the privilege to worship as they wish. I would not be surprised if there comes a time when that freedom comes under threat in this country, and if it does, all people of faith will need to band together to defend it.


45 posted on 11/08/2013 3:39:49 PM PST by Normandy
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To: Normandy

The time has already come Normandy its seems those who are in opposition to this great nation already have their ducks in a row and they are activating them one by one.

The media has keep our eye on the Obama care but just below the radar many other programs are being lunch even our military under siege on faith as well as in sports those who are not a progressive/Marist are being run out of the game.

Look what happen to Tebow and now Martin once upon a time we pride ourselves in sports on sportsmanship but that has all been thrown out the window, our military had the same standards as far as God and honor.

Now everything is like gladiator time of the worst kind men of honor are taboo and the soulless creatures are welcome.

This is why this détente is so important now we put away our differences and look for common ground to ward off these soulless creatures among us.

The Lord’s scriptures has warn us so many times not to content it is not of Him.

Where ever contention takes place the Lord spirit departs as show in John 14:30

29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

Philip. 1 excerpt

14 And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.

15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:

16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:

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23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

25 And having this confidence, I know that I shall abide and continue with you all for your furtherance and joy of faith;

26 That your rejoicing may be more abundant in Jesus Christ for me by my coming to you again.

27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

28 And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

30 Having the same conflict which ye saw in me, and now hear to be in me.


46 posted on 11/09/2013 5:48:40 AM PST by restornu (Love One Another)
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To: caww

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3087592/posts?page=44#44

Just as I thought you have no answer for your accusations!


47 posted on 11/09/2013 8:07:42 AM PST by restornu (Love One Another)
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To: restornu; Elsie
Let me attempt this ...

I encourage you to go into the Mormon Library and investigate the Mormon Church History...in their & volumes set of their History....

volume 6 especially is interesting as...I believe page 410.. where the founder Joseph Smith stated...(and this is your churches volumes of their History just to be clear)...Joseph Smith states...”The church ran away from Jesus
but not from me”. Do you not find that a questionable statement made by your founder?

I'll also add this that when you attempt to encourage Mormons to search their own History within their own book and their own history..... their mind, (via brainwashing techniques and teachings)...is like a Rolodex of information and you are perceived and they see it as a challenge, a defensive challenge because they know that to engage in even ‘considering’ questions or your suggestions or what you are saying that is true is to put their family, their friends and all their social life on the line........were they to discover the truth by researching and investigating what they are presented with and or accepting the challenge.

More times than not they will come back with a scrolled list of whatever they've been taught......rather than dialog to discuss what is questioned. Were they to discover all the many inconsistencies with their BOM..and various other books they adhere to they would be asking some very candid questions of their line of authority.

I say this because more people outside the Mormon church know more about their doctrines and what they believe then those within the Mormon church. Those in the church are “followers’ of the leadership...which if questioned can mean eventual excommunication.

The “Line of authority” their Priesthood...gives them a false sense of security...they “feel” secure.

An example of their inconsistencies would be to look at Section 132:38,39 Where Daniel and Solomon are often used to justify Polygamy.....and they rejoice in that they can share this....

Yet in verse 39 you see a footnote...to Jacob 2:24 Which rather than God rejoicing he states... “which thing was abominable before me”.

In their book Doctrines of Covenants 1831-1836 Section 101 it clearly states..”One wife”..”One woman”..at a time they were very much practicing Polygamy.

So which is it???? These types of inconsistencies flow throughout the Mormon faith from it's beginning to today. Unfortunately most Mormons only know what they are taught and instructed to know...and by the end of that they have little if any critical thinking skills left which are not drenched in their false teachings...and why Mormonism is considered a cult. IT's followers are cornered and cannot discern that they are without truth as God would have them to know it....apart from seriously looking into the history and be open to God's leading them to the truth.

48 posted on 11/09/2013 11:40:17 AM PST by caww
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To: restornu

One has already been posted here...and many in the past as well....if you want to know the truth you will “seek to find” as we all do and not depend on someone else to do our footwork for us.

( Unfortunately the Moron mindset is pretty much accustomed to being spoon fed by their leaders ...they have a need for “material” rather than researching anything on their own and being open enough to see the truth when it’s there for them to see....many in fact seek not to find but to dispute and tear about the truth.


49 posted on 11/09/2013 11:43:59 AM PST by caww
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To: restornu

Are you WORTHY enough to enter the (any) Mormon Temple Restornu?

Do YOU have a TR card??


50 posted on 11/09/2013 12:12:29 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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