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Modesty in the church

Posted on 11/13/2013 5:43:01 PM PST by Faith Presses On

The Bible clearly says that women should dress modestly. Why does much of the church in America not follow what the Bible says? (And I'm a woman myself, I should add). It's not so much new believers who dress immodestly who are a concern, but women in leadership.

"In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works." (1 Timothy 2:9-10)


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: beauty; fashion; modesty; women
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1 posted on 11/13/2013 5:43:01 PM PST by Faith Presses On
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To: Faith Presses On

Women in Leadership = non-Scriptural anyway so why the hub-bub over immodest dress?


2 posted on 11/13/2013 5:47:32 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Faith Presses On
I have never been in a church where the women (in leadership, not pastors) do not dress in a modest fashion. So not sure what you are saying.
(by church, I mean Bible believing Spirit filled)

3 posted on 11/13/2013 5:47:56 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: Faith Presses On

I saw a picture a few years ago of the First Baptist Church in some city in Romania. It was a large church. I noticed every woman over maybe 12 had some kind of hat or covering on her head.

I immediately remembered where Paul said that women should have their heads covered in church. I guess even the conservative Southern Baptists don’t keep that requirement.


4 posted on 11/13/2013 5:48:34 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: yarddog

Didn’t Paul also say that a woman’s hair, if left to grow and not plaited, can serve as a veil in church?


5 posted on 11/13/2013 5:54:42 PM PST by 1raider1
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To: Faith Presses On
A true observation -- so many women these days don't dress modestly. I would add that many men fail to dress modestly as well (sagging jeans, purposefully wearing shirts a size too small to accentuate muscles, etc), but I would hazard a guess that a man with plumber's crack doesn't entice women in the same way a man is enticed by a woman in low-slung jeans. Perhaps I am incorrect on this, but I'm sure the ladies here can either confirm or deny.

One thing though, I would also add -- In the past, a certain amount of cleavage or tightness of clothing was a sure signal of an "easy" female. These days, immodest fashions are so ubiquitous, that its not an accurate measure of whether a woman is a lady or the other kind. Plenty of good, chaste ladies dress immodestly without intending to at all -- they've simply been desensitized/were never educated about modesty of dress.

6 posted on 11/13/2013 5:55:17 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: 1raider1

You might be right although I don’t remember that.


7 posted on 11/13/2013 5:55:52 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Faith Presses On

I agree completely.

We learn in Genesis that clothing was intended to conceal, not to reveal.

But I assure you. You are fighting a losing battle. This section of the Word of God does not even prevail in my own house. No matter how much I’ve tried to teach modest apparel, my daughters are always pushing the boundaries to see how much they can get away with. And they’re home schooled.

Ever notice on Sundays in the church? Men wearing full buttoned shirts, often with neckties, sport or suit coats, sweaters, loose fitting trousers, etc.

But the women are wearing short sleeves, or sleeveless blouses, tight pants or short skirts, plunging necklines, etc. I don’t think this is appropriate attire for church meetings or reverent worship.

But it is definitely a losing fight. Try to mention any of this, and you’ll be accused of having a dirty mind.


8 posted on 11/13/2013 5:56:00 PM PST by Westbrook ()Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: 1raider1

> Didn’t Paul also say that a woman’s hair, if left to grow
> and not plaited, can serve as a veil in church?

Read the passage again. If the hair were meant to be the covering of the head, then men would have to shave their heads to pray, because it is a shame for them to pray with their heads covered, as it is a shame for women to pray with their heads uncovered.

People actually used to know what this meant a few generations ago. Even the Catholic Church required women to have their heads covered as recently as 1959. Problem was, they weren’t covering their heads with Godly coverings, but with ridiculous caricatures of men’s hats.


9 posted on 11/13/2013 5:59:54 PM PST by Westbrook ()Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Faith Presses On

Who defines what is modest?

Making girls wear burkas?

Making girls playing basketball wear knee length skortz?

My favorite was when I found myself unwittingly invited to a picnic with a group of Bill Gothard Institute types. The girls all wore long jean skirts. Then they got on the monkey bars and twirled upside down. Well at least they were in uniform but Oh. My.

So what is considered modest? Who decides? What century decides?

Is modesty defined by making sure everybody looks like a separatist freak? Amish women dress modestly. Is that wear it needs to be?

Does modesty mean all heads are to be covered? The problem is that this was written 2000 years ago with a diffrent set of societal norms and expectations. These expectations vary from one part of the country to another, and from one country to another yet many wish to impose provincial expectations on others that will seem silly with the passage of time. These sorts of discussions/distractions invariably promote self righteous attitudes and groups that are “in” and groups that are “out”. My advice is to relax, until women start wearing stripper gear.

Perhaps instead, Christians should quit worrying about how short a skirt is, or if (gasp) a bit of cleavage shows through and instead worship God together in peace.


10 posted on 11/13/2013 6:01:13 PM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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It seems many pastors don't bring up or preach about the issue of modesty. They think “hey at least they're in church,” and fear driving people away or sounding like some kind of radically dour Huguenot by preaching modesty of dress.
11 posted on 11/13/2013 6:01:35 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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Boy, does this message need to get out.

It’s unbelievable how I’ve seen women dress in church. They look like hookers or that they’re going out for a night on the town.

Dressing attractively is one thing. Dressing enticingly is another.


12 posted on 11/13/2013 6:01:42 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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To: Westbrook
and you’ll be accused of having a dirty mind.

If we didn't have dirty minds, we wouldn't need salvation. It's yours. Own it.

/johnny

13 posted on 11/13/2013 6:02:17 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: DariusBane

I agree with the spirit of your argument regarding changes in norms and expectations. But the problem is, modern female fashion is quite often designed to sexualize the wearer.


14 posted on 11/13/2013 6:04:19 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: Faith Presses On

ridiculous describes so much of what i see in what many women wear to church on Sundays... flip-flops, tank shirts, capris, yoga pants, hoodies, yuck... any one of these things might work, but two and three of these pieces together? no bueno... mis dos centavos...


15 posted on 11/13/2013 6:04:44 PM PST by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: Faith Presses On

Frankly, I think this topic is best suited for a small group Bible study or a one-on-one situation with an older (in Christ, if not age) believer instructing a younger believer.

I am an older woman believer.


16 posted on 11/13/2013 6:08:22 PM PST by Jemian (I do my best editing just after I hit the "post" button.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Ok so how are you going to shut it down without it becoming a competition to see who can dress in the most austere manner? Who can demonstrate “holiness” the mostess through dressing like a puritan housewife?


17 posted on 11/13/2013 6:08:24 PM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: yarddog; 1raider1

I remember that. It is a few verses following the instruction to keep our heads covered.


18 posted on 11/13/2013 6:09:58 PM PST by Jemian (I do my best editing just after I hit the "post" button.)
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To: Jemian
Positively ancient. ;)

/johnny

19 posted on 11/13/2013 6:10:45 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: DariusBane
That's where a bit of common sense comes into play.

A burka is overboard. Dressing like an Amish is overboard too.

Going to Church in a miniskirt is most likely not a good idea. Strolling the seaside in a fio dental (as much as I wish it were acceptable!) is not modest.

Like I said, common sense.

20 posted on 11/13/2013 6:12:23 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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