Posted on 11/16/2013 12:00:15 AM PST by GonzoII
You are exactly right, but that Holy Spirit was talking to members of God’s Pilgrim Church on Earth, Catholics.
And before Paul First Letter to the Thessalonians too. Funny, even Luther agrees that Catholics brought the Bible to the world.
Who cares?
That's just his opinion.
Please post the primary source of that quote, and in full context. Go ahead. I have all day.
Please post the primary source of that quote, and in full context. Go ahead. I have all day.
And your opinion has much more weight than his. Gotcha.
2 Peter 1:21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
Peter made no mention at all of Catholicism in his letters nor did he credit the *church* with bringing the word of God to mankind.
Nor did Paul.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
Retroactively declaring all Christians as Catholics in an attempt to give credit to the Catholic church for the word of God is not going to convince anyone but Catholics because the rest of the world has not been brainwashed by Catholicism to believe their revisionist history over historic fact.
Nobody owes the Catholic church anything for their claims to have given the world the Bible and preserving it. All the credit goes to God who is more than capable of doing it Himself without being indebted to Catholicism for its *help*.
If you say so.
AMEN. From what I read around here, it seems the Catholics believe God owes them a debt of gratitude for bringing His Word to mankind. I suppose when He receives all the glory mankind has to give, He will turn around and give it all to the Catholic Church. After all, without them, where would we all be? Including God and His message..
Isn’t it strange that other Christian faiths have to admit (since they use the same canon) that the Catholic Church made an infallible decision when it decided which books of the New Testament are inspired and which ones aren’t, yet these same faiths reject the Canon of the Old Testament decided by the same Bishops in the same Councils? LOL.
Like which *faiths*? (By which I presume you mean denominations)
And which canons?
Well, hey, when they can tell God what to do and who to let into heaven and who to forgive and who to not forgive, I guess they really do believe that they are elevated above God.
Herod didn’t give God the glory and it didn’t work out so well for him.
Dratted posting history......
http://praisedivinemercy.blogspot.com/2008/03/martin-luther.html
Luther had the following to say:
“We are compelled to concede to the Papists that they have the Word of GOD, that we received it from them, and that without them, we should have no knowledge of it at all.”
Martin Luther, commentary on St. John.
In his sermon of August 15, 1522, the last time Martin Luther preached on the Feast of the Assumption, he stated:
There can be no doubt that the Virgin Mary is in heaven. How it happened we do not know. And since the Holy Spirit has told us nothing about it, we can make of it no article of faith . . . It is enough to know that she lives in Christ.
The veneration of Mary is inscribed in the very depths of the human heart. (Sermon, September 1, 1522).
[She is the] highest woman and the noblest gem in Christianity after Christ . . . She is nobility, wisdom, and holiness personified. We can never honor her enough. Still honor and praise must be given to her in such a way as to injure neither Christ nor the Scriptures. (Sermon, Christmas, 1531).
No woman is like you. You are more than Eve or Sarah, blessed above all nobility, wisdom, and sanctity. (Sermon, Feast of the Visitation, 1537).
One should honor Mary as she herself wished and as she expressed it in the Magnificat. She praised God for his deeds. How then can we praise her? The true honor of Mary is the honor of God, the praise of God’s grace . . . Mary is nothing for the sake of herself, but for the sake of Christ . . . Mary does not wish that we come to her, but through her to God. (Explanation of the Magnificat, 1521).
Luther gives the Blessed Virgin the exalted position of “Spiritual Mother” for Christians:
It is the consolation and the superabundant goodness of God, that man is able to exult in such a treasure. Mary is his true Mother .. (Sermon, Christmas, 1522)
Mary is the Mother of Jesus and the Mother of all of us even though it was Christ alone who reposed on her knees . . . If he is ours, we ought to be in his situation; there where he is, we ought also to be and all that he has ought to be ours, and his mother is also our mother. (Sermon, Christmas, 1529).
Martin Luther had the belief of Mary’s Immaculate Conception, Luther’s words follow:
It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of Mary’s soul was effected without original sin; so that in the very infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with God’s gifts, receiving a pure soul infused by God; thus from the first moment she began to live she was free from all sin” (Sermon: “On the Day of the Conception of the Mother of God,” 1527).
Call them whatever you want, except “Church”. Which no protestant denomination is..............
Thanks for playing though.
I AM the church, as is any born again believer.
I don’t belong to one to get saved, I became part of the true body of Christ when I got saved.
Membership in a church is as meaningless as belonging to a club.
Gamecock asks for a quote of Luther in context and you drag Mary into it?
Why?
Martin Luther made the comment on his commentary of St. John.
Can’t find the original transcript of it; of course not. He said it and and all you have to do is google it. If you want to buy this book it’s contained right there, but the book would not contain a recording of Martin Luther so it would not meet your strict requirements.
http://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Tiber-Evangelical-Protestants-Historical/dp/0898705770
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