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Scottish Priest Who Wrote of 'Lavender Mafia' is Suspended; Parishioners Revolt
Catholic Culture ^ | 11/18/13

Posted on 11/18/2013 6:45:47 PM PST by marshmallow

A Scottish Catholic priest who wrote a book about homosexual influence in the clergy has been suspended from ministry, and in response his parishioners boycotted a Mass celebrated by the apostolic administrator of the diocese.

Nearly the entire congregation at St. John Ogilvie parish in Blanton walked out of the church as Bishop Joseph Toal began to celebrate Mass. The parishioners had signed a petition protesting the suspension of Father Matthew Despard. A spokesman for the angry parishioners said: "Because Father tells the truth he is removed from his priestly duties."

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1 posted on 11/18/2013 6:45:47 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

he’s a very brave man! God bless him!


2 posted on 11/18/2013 6:50:21 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Visit http://icantenroll.com/ In Glitch We Trust....;o})
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To: marshmallow

Many Catholic Priests are gay. Story at 11...


3 posted on 11/18/2013 6:52:46 PM PST by strider44
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To: marshmallow
There are about 1-1.5% homosexuals in the world. It IS a choice.

Any priest, minister or (wo)man of the cloth who can marry and marries a person of the same gender is no Christian. (S)he is going against all the major faiths in the world. God's design of humanity is heterosexuality. Anything else is a choice, a sad one for my thinking.

4 posted on 11/18/2013 6:57:13 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: marshmallow

http://www.amazon.com/Priesthood-In-Crisis-Matthew-Despard-ebook/dp/B00BWADFD6

Priesthood in Crisis is a story of one priest’s experience in the priesthood and his efforts to live out his vocation honourably despite his awareness of corruption in parts of the Church that he loves. His refusal to tow any line other than god’s line earned him the enmity of many of his fellow priests and members of the hierarchy. Because of this, his priestly life was one of constant stress as he fought to serve his people with faith and the trust. This was often hampered by sinister machinations by those who could not tolerate his integrity. He did not want to write this book but recent revelations about the Church in Scotland meant that he could no longer remain silent. This is his story.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/congregation-unite-in-protest-at-suspension-of-parish-priest.22710242

When Bishop Toal, accompanied by Father William Nolan, tried to take mass, Geraldine Penches said she wanted to make a statement, and received a roar of applause from the congregation in a packed church.

Her short statement referred to Father Despard as “a very honest man” and said: “This is more scandal to rock the Catholic Church which has to be hushed up.

“Because Father tells the truth he is removed from his priestly duties. We the people are the church, not the bishops. When people said on Saturday night they wouldn’t return, the Bishop said we’ll close the church. I don’t think Pope Francis would be very pleased with that.”


5 posted on 11/18/2013 6:57:47 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: marshmallow
The "lavender mafia" was news over a decade ago.
Why are we talking about it now?
6 posted on 11/18/2013 6:59:07 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain; marshmallow

We are still talking about the lavender Mafia today, because....

They are still acting like mafioso....

Intimidation tactics, getting people to go along with “omerta” (code of silence)

Etc, etc, etc


7 posted on 11/18/2013 7:04:44 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: marshmallow

Seattle just elected a gay mayor who openly attends mass at the Catholic cathedral and who is married to another man. I’m convinced the pastor is also gay because he so looks the part. My moronic Catholic younger sister seems to think that gays are so cute, almost like pets. I almost boycotted her fake Catholic wedding, but attended for the sake of my mother.


8 posted on 11/18/2013 7:05:23 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: WildHighlander57

I wouldn’t believe everything you read.


9 posted on 11/18/2013 7:15:08 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: marshmallow

I probably would agree with his conclusions, and applaud his bravery, but there may actually be something to the diocese’s actions. If he’s made an unsubstantiated accusation against a particular fellow priest, he has violated canon law. On the other hand, there was a story among the related links about a priest suing him which specifically stated he was not mentioned by name. That doesn’t mean of course his identity wasn’t made obvious.


10 posted on 11/18/2013 7:37:49 PM PST by dangus
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11 posted on 11/18/2013 7:44:10 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: marshmallow

Oh, this doesn’t look good: Toal is an apostolic administrator after a previous bishop retired before being replaced. The previous bishop had said no disciplinary actions would occur; apparently Despard did NOT name names, so there’s less basis for charging him with maligning a fellow priest. Now, the previous bishop was certainly of retiring age, but usually they let the retiring bishops stay on until a suitable replacement is found. He was retired immediately after stating Despard would NOT be disciplined.


12 posted on 11/18/2013 7:44:47 PM PST by dangus
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To: strider44

Less than 2%

less than 2% and because of the lame stream media, people like you think it is 95%


13 posted on 11/18/2013 8:45:12 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk
Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

14 posted on 11/18/2013 8:47:21 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

I read his post which reflected his mind.


15 posted on 11/18/2013 8:58:55 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: strider44

You may not be aware that Catholic seminaries were cleaned out by Pope Benedict XVI. Teams were sent to each and every seminary.

An applicant now must undergo a two day psychological exam, numerous interviews, have many references that are not family, and the list goes on and on.

I am not just blowing steam here, several mothers on FR have verified this and I have a personal friend that I cook with whose son just entered the seminary.

I am also a member of the Serra Club named after Father Junipero Serra who founded the California missions and other missions in Mexico. We invite, affirm, and hold events for seminarians in my local area.

God bless you, and I pray that you might now repeat these lines again — they are not true.


16 posted on 11/18/2013 9:00:54 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: strider44

One more fact that I forgot. The seminaries are now overflowing with straight young men who want to be priests. Our local seminary at Mount Angel has a large attendance.


17 posted on 11/18/2013 9:02:49 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: yldstrk; strider44

I was told 15 years ago by a reliable source that the percentage of priests in the diocese of Phoenix who were homosexual was around 60%. There has been a tremendous culling of bad priests in the diocese over those 15 years, but I imagine there are still far more than 2%.


18 posted on 11/18/2013 9:29:56 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: strider44
Oops God bless you, and I pray that you might now not repeat these lines again — they are not true.
19 posted on 11/18/2013 9:39:05 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: yldstrk
less than 2% and because of the lame stream media, people like you think it is 95%

It is my understanding that Vatican II changed the requirements for entering the priesthood and allowed, for the first time, men to enter the seminary who admitted to homosexual inclinations (still requiring them to be celibate, of course). This had the unfortunate result of making the seminary a magnet for homosexuals, and after a number of years, this situation got so out of hand that many of the homosexual men, having reached some critical mass, no longer felt the need to pursue celibacy. In addition, as we've seen happen in many other venues, once the homosexuals had a strong enough foothold in various parts of the Church, they then began to favor other homosexual men in their appointments, favors, etc, taking the problem even further. The seemingly widespread child abuse problems were undoubtedly a direct result of this transformation.

What this means is that, while homosexuals are somewhere around 1-2% in the general population, the percentage of homosexual men in the clergy was much, much higher. Some poster above me has stated that Pope Benedict has done much to clean this situation up. I pray that is true.
20 posted on 11/18/2013 11:06:23 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: marshmallow

Must of hit a nerve.Good for the congregation.


21 posted on 11/18/2013 11:11:25 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Salvation

My father was educated in Catholic Schools his whole life. Graduated from Boston College. Typical Irish Catholic from Boston, one of 6 kids. Wanted to become a priest. Actually entered the seminary but quit (good for me) because he said, and I quote, “everyone there was gay.”

My mom’s first cousin who also graduated BC, did become a priest. Yup he’s gay and has had the same “partner” for 20 years.

Anecdotal yes, but true. I’ve never been comfortable around any priest.


22 posted on 11/19/2013 4:19:15 AM PST by strider44
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To: strider44

Two bad apples cannot condemn the entire Catholic Church or the entire lot of priests.

As I said, straight young men are now flocking to the seminaries.

Please catch up on the news of today. Or do you prefer to live in yesteryear?


23 posted on 11/19/2013 8:16:16 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow

**Nearly the entire congregation at St. John Ogilvie parish in Blanton walked out of the church as Bishop Joseph Toal began to celebrate Mass.**

Christ let them walk away too. No big deal here.


24 posted on 11/19/2013 8:18:04 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow

**Nearly the entire congregation at St. John Ogilvie parish in Blanton walked out of the church as Bishop Joseph Toal began to celebrate Mass.**

Christ let them walk away too. No big deal here.


25 posted on 11/19/2013 8:18:07 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: fr_freak

What happened after Vatican II was a rebellion in the Church and what came close to an actual schism. .What the reformers wanted was a Church no unlike that described by Brian Moore, in his short novel “Catholics.”


26 posted on 11/20/2013 8:18:23 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: Salvation

With respect, I don’t think that the Church has owned up to the extent of the damage caused by homosexual priests, even the ones who have remained faithful.


27 posted on 11/20/2013 8:23:04 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: RobbyS

All 1.8 percent to 2 percent?

Which is the normal rate for the general population?


28 posted on 11/20/2013 8:26:08 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Given that homosexuality is an activity, I don’t think there is much to gain by counting heads. Lot of AC/DC.


29 posted on 11/20/2013 9:30:42 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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