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Pittsburgh Diocese Wins Delay Against Affordable Care Act
PITTSBURGH (KDKA) ^ | November 21, 2013 | PITTSBURGH (KDKA)

Posted on 11/21/2013 5:04:07 PM PST by MarkBsnr

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) — A federal judge in western Pennsylvania says Catholic groups don’t immediately have to comply with mandates in the federal health care overhaul law.

The Diocese is challenging its participation in the health care program because it would be required to provide its employees with contraceptives.

There were strong words earlier this month from Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese leader Bishop David Zubik as he testified in federal court on the issue.

Bishop Zubik told the court: “The issue with the services in the mandate is that they either go against preservation of human life or involve the actual taking of human life.”

Churches are exempt from the mandate, but charitable organizations, including Pittsburgh Catholic Charities, were not.

Bishop Zubik told the court this is a problem because, “the practice of charity has to reflect the teaching of the church.”

Both Bishop Zubik and Cardinal Timothy Dolan called the services at issue “evil” and say by giving employees access to those services, the Diocese would be “facilitating scandal.”

The judge in the case writes that this is a preliminary injunction.

Some experts believe the U.S. Supreme Court will make the final decision.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: catholic; obamacare; opposition
Where are the Baptists, Anglicans, Presbyterians, etc.? Christianity cannot permit this abomination to go forward.
1 posted on 11/21/2013 5:04:07 PM PST by MarkBsnr
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To: MarkBsnr
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For the time being the Catholics are the majority shoving this abomination upon US? Let them deal with the mess they spread across this nation. IT is all theirs on their march to universal health care as a ‘right’.

2 posted on 11/21/2013 5:11:17 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: MarkBsnr

It’s “Obamacare”…not “Affordable blah blah.”


3 posted on 11/21/2013 5:12:54 PM PST by albie
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To: Just mythoughts
Fmr. Rep. Bart Stupak: I Don't Regret My Vote For Obamacare

..... "I’m proud to vote. I always felt that health care should be a right, not a privilege in this country — one of the reasons why I ran for Congress. I’m glad to have helped accomplish that goal."

'Pro-life' hypocrite con man.

4 posted on 11/21/2013 5:13:47 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts

http://old.usccb.org/healthcare/position.shtml

USCCB Position on Health Care Reform

In our Catholic tradition, health care is a basic human right.

Access to health care should not depend on where a person works, how much a family earns, or where a person lives. Instead, every person, created in the image and likeness of God, has a right to life and to those things necessary to sustain life, including affordable, quality health care. This teaching is rooted in the biblical call to heal the sick and to serve “the least of these,” our concern for human life and dignity, and the principle of the common good.

Unfortunately, tens of millions of Americans do not have health insurance. According to the Catholic bishops of the United States, the current health care system is in need of fundamental reform...


5 posted on 11/21/2013 5:23:55 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Just mythoughts

So you are good with the program?


6 posted on 11/21/2013 5:24:38 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: albie

Political programs are often labelled the opposite of what they actually are.


7 posted on 11/21/2013 5:25:24 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: jjotto

Here’s the deal. Nobody is denied health care in the US. Until the death panels of Obamacare kick in.


8 posted on 11/21/2013 5:26:35 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: jjotto
This means single payer, government run healthcare. That was the intentions laid out by Saint Teddy Kennedy, one of the world's most famous Catholic. Then there is Nanny the ‘red’ Pelouise, Katty Sebelius, Bart Stupid, Saint Joseph Biden... the list is long .... and

After a while the pattern becomes obvious.

I can't wait to see what these same bishops intend to do to US through their ungodly amnesty demands.

9 posted on 11/21/2013 5:29:18 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: MarkBsnr
So you are good with the program?

I have no clue what this question means. Therefore, I will not attempt to read the mind of the questioner in public.

10 posted on 11/21/2013 5:32:16 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts

Easy. You indicated that you would not protest or work against the program. Does that mean that you either agree with it, or acquiesce to it?


12 posted on 11/21/2013 5:51:50 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: gemoftheocean

Sorry, PAVED with their skulls.


13 posted on 11/21/2013 5:53:18 PM PST by gemoftheocean (...geez, this all seems so straight forward and logical to me...)
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To: gemoftheocean

Yes. The road to hell IS paved with the skulls of bishops.


15 posted on 11/21/2013 5:56:01 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Easy. You indicated that you would not protest or work against the program. Does that mean that you either agree with it, or acquiesce to it?

Well IF I were of a mind to 'protest' it would be outside the biggest Catholic church I could find. Furthermore, I gave no indication that I agreed with this plot sent out from Rome to force US to become a single payer universal healthcare nation.

God protects His own and He will lead me through this age of spiritual darkness in 'high' places. It just is so typically liberal for the mess makers to demand others to come in and clean up their stinky messes.

16 posted on 11/21/2013 5:57:18 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts

Not demanding. Just going by what you are posting.

It is not the Catholic Church that created or is the majority supporter of this. We are weeding out the ancient and increasingly geriatric liberals. Our theology is sound and thoroughly Christian.

Not going to help? Just going to sit on the sidelines and whine?


17 posted on 11/21/2013 6:00:14 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Not demanding. Just going by what you are posting. It is not the Catholic Church that created or is the majority supporter of this. We are weeding out the ancient and increasingly geriatric liberals. Our theology is sound and thoroughly Christian. Not going to help? Just going to sit on the sidelines and whine?

I guess you do not know the position from Rome. The former pope stated without question he is for universal healthcare. Splicing hair at this stage is not becoming.

I have NO sympathy for these that willingly and with great support gave US this abomination, only to find out NOW they did not read the fine print. DO not attempt to whitewash the reality of what took place. Accept personal responsibility for the ugly deeds performed. Maybe then God will shine His light to the road to freedom from this abomination.

19 posted on 11/21/2013 6:05:36 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts

I know the position from Rome.

The Church wants to take care of people. Where does ‘Rome’ say that Obamacare is the end all and be all?

Don’t support them - that is your privilege. The majority of the Catholic Church does not. Why are you acquiescing?


20 posted on 11/21/2013 6:15:26 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
I know the position from Rome. The Church wants to take care of people. Where does ‘Rome’ say that Obamacare is the end all and be all? Don’t support them - that is your privilege. The majority of the Catholic Church does not. Why are you acquiescing?

Let us cut to the chase. Universal healthcare is socialized medicine. That is what Rome supports and calls for globally. And universal healthcare/socialized medicine has been the shove and push by Catholic politicians like Saint Teddy Kennedy.

Before this abomination was passed, where were these bellyaching bishops demanding the bill be read before it was made law?

Before this abomination was passed no person could be denied healthcare. Ever visited an emergency room?

I do not believe you can speak for the majority. Where is their national outrage?

I have spent the past 30 + years dealing with the practice of using the 'guilt' factor to get ones own way. I can sense that method of operation miles away.

I acquiesce nothing, and refuse to be made the 'guilty' because I am NOT 'feeling' sympathy for those whose sole concern is about their own personal religious freedom.

There is no qualm regarding taxation/mandates without representation.... So stealing is quite acceptable so long as the thefts do not fund contraceptives.... And I know personally that while it maybe be doctrine out of Rome, the Catholics I have interacted with these past 30 + years do not consider any form of contraceptive a sin that cannot be confessed. Then 'hail Mary' and count some beads, no big deal, get up the next day and repeat.

Christ said you break one Commandment you break them all... Stealing is still one of those commandments regardless what the religious leaders ignore.

21 posted on 11/21/2013 7:11:53 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: MarkBsnr

We win some, we lose some, some are a draw.


23 posted on 11/21/2013 7:35:56 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; MarkBsnr
A federal judge in western Pennsylvania says Catholic groups don’t immediately have to comply with mandates in the federal health care overhaul law.

With Harry Reid using the "nuclear option" to allow Obama to make sweeping judicial nominations, all these appeals will get nixed or go to the SCOTUS. The SCOTUS record on moral issues is horrible. Yes, keep up the fight but the PAGAN noose is getting tighter. This mandate going to the SCOTUS eventually will be the test of that bench. Mostly GOP nominees on that SCOTUS bench.

24 posted on 11/22/2013 12:44:11 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: Just mythoughts

The Catholic Church has since its creation by Jesus, has taken care of the poor and the sick. Some of the bishops (in the East, they beat the bad bishops with sticks in the streets) have fallen for the line that government should support and then bear a large share of this type of aid.

The aging liberals are dying off. Our new pastor is young, with a long fluffy beard (almost Orthodox looking) and has implemented a KofC council almost immmediately. He says the Latin Mass. There are a bunch of bad Catholics, to be sure, but there are a whole bunch of bad Baptists (hi there Westboro), Presbyterians (hi there PCUSA) and the Anglicans are seemingly vieing with each other to see who can become more pagan more quickly.

I will give you the example of true Catholic practice. In Peoria, on the west side of I-74 is the Methodist hospital. When charity cases arrive at the ER, they put them in a taxi and send them to the east side of I-74 to the Catholic hospital.

That is the majority.

That is Catholicism in practice.

Don’t worry. Those of us who are not liberal are working for and watching the evoluation of the clerical leadership back from the Marxist nonsense of the aftermatch of Vatican II. My bishop knows me all too well. We’ve had it out. In public. In front of the TV cameras.

I don’t play abortion, or any big government power grab such as national health care. Neither do most faithful Catholis.


25 posted on 11/23/2013 5:34:38 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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