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What Went Wrong in England?
Aleiteia ^ | 11/21/13 | Brantley Millegan

Posted on 11/22/2013 6:43:22 PM PST by marshmallow

Only 1.5% of the English population attends Anglican Sunday services, and a former Archbishop of Canterbury gives the church just one more generation before extinction. How did this happen?

Christianity is dead in England - or at least it could be in a generation, says former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey.

“In many parts of Britain churches are struggling, some priests are diffident and lack confidence; a feeling of defeat is around. [...] The burden seems heavy and joy in ministry has been replaced by a feeling of heaviness.”

His comments come in response to a report given atthe Anglican Church’s recent General Synod which warned that shrinking congregations are an existential threat to the centuries-old national institution. According to the report, only 807,000 Englishmen attend Anglican services on a typical Sunday. That number represents just 1.5% of England’s population of 53 million.

In the land that built the beautiful Westminster Abbey, helped evangelize Europe, and inspired the Inklings, what went wrong?

The Irrelevance of Relevance

“[T]he Church of England is dying because it has opted for the course taken by liberal Protestantism,” says Paul Gondreau, Professor of Theology at Providence College, “which is to say a course that conforms itself more and more to the modern secular world.”

(Excerpt) Read more at aleteia.org ...


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: archdruid; formerlygreatbritain; grievouswolves

1 posted on 11/22/2013 6:43:22 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

socialism and the destruction of traditional culture.

next question.


2 posted on 11/22/2013 6:44:19 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: marshmallow

It happened because people became self-sufficient. That illusion of self-sufficiency must be unquestionably destroyed in order for them to realize their dependency upon a creator.


3 posted on 11/22/2013 6:44:53 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: marshmallow

Taking Christ and the Bible truths out of any church calling itself Christian condemns it to a sure death.


4 posted on 11/22/2013 6:47:14 PM PST by doc1019 (Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what happened!)
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To: marshmallow

Living in Britain a few decades ago, my church regularly had 3-4 people in the pews at the Sunday morning service. Socialism and ‘Humanism’ happened in Britain. And now it’s happening here. And people wonder why feral youths are knocking random people down/out for fun.


5 posted on 11/22/2013 6:47:21 PM PST by originalbuckeye (The greater the power, the more dangerous the abuse.)
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To: marshmallow

It started with Condoms and went straight to Gay sex.

That’s what killed it.


6 posted on 11/22/2013 6:48:56 PM PST by Bayard
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To: marshmallow

What happens in the UK is probably a precursor to what will happen in the USSA. We already have a Marxist atheist POTUS.


7 posted on 11/22/2013 6:49:29 PM PST by AlexW
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To: AlexW

Religions that actually stand for something are still growing, those that seek to create a “big tent” however are in terminal decline.


8 posted on 11/22/2013 6:52:25 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: marshmallow

Tale - tell signs that social policy went a rye....and when it crumbles - and it will - what will the socialists control then...Britain needs to stop worrying about God Save the Queen and start worrying about their own behinds!


9 posted on 11/22/2013 6:52:33 PM PST by BCW (Salva reipublicae)
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To: marshmallow

One word: liberalism.


10 posted on 11/22/2013 6:53:17 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: marshmallow

Wrong-way pews and horrid music killed it.


11 posted on 11/22/2013 6:55:10 PM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-Nhttp://capY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: Secret Agent Man
Pile neo-paganism on top. When you have a church being led by a druid, that is going to mean destruction from within.
12 posted on 11/22/2013 6:56:30 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: bunkerhill7

“Wrong-way pews and horrid music killed it.”
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Homosexuals and “progressives” killed the once great Episcopal church of the USA. It is so sad.


13 posted on 11/22/2013 6:58:36 PM PST by AlexW
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To: marshmallow

The 1.5% aren’t even the Godless homosexuals that this denomination decided to cater to. If the Homosexuals just showed up 1.8% of the pews would be full.

When a religion stands for nothing it ceases to be necessary.


14 posted on 11/22/2013 7:15:45 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: marshmallow

Actually, I think it is the COE that is dying. The RC and Protestant churches such as Baptist still have people attending. My daughter lives in the UK. The Anglican churches are empty but others are not. So unless Christianity is only expressed in the CoE then the article is a reach

But yes the issue is that COE responded in exactly the wrong way to a number of issues starting in the late 19th century


15 posted on 11/22/2013 7:52:33 PM PST by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: marshmallow

when my brother lived in London his church was filled with young people. It was a nondenominational church that didn’t embrace liberal heresy.

When churches embrace and preach the liberal amorality in secular society then I can understand secular people not attending since the church is doing the same thing they are.


16 posted on 11/22/2013 7:54:25 PM PST by RginTN
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To: marshmallow

The Catholics are not doing quite so badly, in England, according to the article, but their numbers are not large. Are there any other significant PRACTICING Christian denominations in England, at present?


17 posted on 11/22/2013 7:55:44 PM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: Fai Mao

Well, that is good to hear: A glimmer of light and the way out of the darkness, IF the COE would listen. But since they have embraced liberalism and humanism, they probably won’t.


18 posted on 11/22/2013 8:01:59 PM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: marshmallow
Oh merry old England, what has happened to you?

Just think of the stout bowmen of old. Of the toffy upperclass that would face death with a stiff upper lip and a debonair wave of the hand. The Nation that conquered the world and brought civilized values to the four corners.

The importation of millions of strange foreigners with no appreciation for the old values has killed them. The English have rotted from the inside out.

19 posted on 11/22/2013 8:02:05 PM PST by Wyrd biū ful arśd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: Fai Mao

My church was Methodist but out in the hinterlands. I was struck by the lack of religiosity in Britain when I lived there. Maybe in London there are more believers. But the last time we were there, I was shocked at the number of Muslims in London.


20 posted on 11/22/2013 8:09:22 PM PST by originalbuckeye (The greater the power, the more dangerous the abuse.)
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To: marshmallow

From the progressive point of view, nothing went wrong.


21 posted on 11/22/2013 8:09:29 PM PST by DBrow
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To: originalbuckeye

There are a lot of Muslims in the Leeds, Birmingham area too.


22 posted on 11/22/2013 8:14:49 PM PST by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: marshmallow

The decline started when the English started ridiculing Queen Victoria for her strong faith. It has never stopped.


23 posted on 11/22/2013 8:26:43 PM PST by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs are flirting with Christie, but it's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: doc1019

You’re right and that is the precise reason the Catholic Church has lasted 2,000 years.


24 posted on 11/22/2013 8:27:28 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: Wyrd bi√į ful ar√¶d

If a king of France could say “Paris is worth a mass”, I guess an Englishman could say hedonism means everything now.


25 posted on 11/22/2013 8:28:04 PM PST by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs are flirting with Christie, but it's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

England is dead, English culture will soon follow, and you are correct in identifying the cause.


26 posted on 11/22/2013 8:33:03 PM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell)
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To: originalbuckeye

And the number is only going to rise until it turns into Londonistan.


27 posted on 11/22/2013 8:49:33 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: marshmallow

What I wonder is how they pay their bills given this lack of worshipers? I wondered if as the Church of England they get a subsidy from the government, but that does not seem to be it. What I found on line suggested given to them is up a good amount.

Then I wondered if they were selling off assets all the time, but if so what I found was not transparent about that. Now I am wondering if the giving increase are mostly bequests from a dying group of believers they are not replacing? It is very curious to me that the economics of this church has not forced it to change.


28 posted on 11/22/2013 9:16:02 PM PST by JLS
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To: marshmallow
The First World War, followed by the Second World War. Both disrupted family life for several generations, allowing those pushing doubt and confusion to poison the minds of people in the throes of grief and sorrow.

Fathers were not with their families for long periods of time, and some never returned at all, so their kids missed out on that strong influence. Mothers tried hard to hold down the fort, and they may have done, economically, but spiritually, they got tired, and without back up, it's easy to let things slide.

29 posted on 11/22/2013 9:35:07 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

What you said about England could be said for Europe in general, so many of the best men of England, France, Germany, etc. wiped out in those two wars. Europe will never completely recover from those wars.


30 posted on 11/22/2013 9:37:08 PM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp.)
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To: dfwgator

Interesting parallel to the Byzantine/Persian wars of the 7th century, which weakened both empires and opened the way for Moslem expansion.


31 posted on 11/22/2013 9:39:14 PM PST by MUDDOG
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To: marshmallow

Can anyone say, “Gay.”


32 posted on 11/23/2013 2:16:15 AM PST by AdaGray (It's the wives.)
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To: marshmallow

They suppressed the truth of God in their unrighteousness. They traded the truth for a lie, the Creator for the creation. They decided they no longer wanted God and in his wrath he gave them what they asked for. He gave them over to the depth of the depravity which lies in the hearts of all men. He removed his common grace and they began the long spiral into more and more sin and self. It is the ultimate fate of all civilizations and it is happening here also, we just aren’t as far down the spiral as England it. There is a way that seems right to men but its end is death.


33 posted on 11/23/2013 2:45:52 AM PST by circlecity
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To: marshmallow

Gay and female pastors, tithing which is not a Christian doctrine, the Sunday Sabbath,every thing except the gospel.

Rev 12
3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads.

4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.

We here in the U.S. have freedom of religion, does that mean that we have to make Jesus ( Christianity ) into a religion?

Jesus said that his truth would be taught in all of the world as a witness to men and then the end would come.

Teaching that truth is our job, not teaching religion, the fiery red dragon don,t need any help on that.


34 posted on 11/23/2013 6:05:25 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: AdaGray

“Gay” is a PC word that sodomites coopted to try and make normal people believe they are exactly like the rest of us, instead of being mentally deranged sexual deviates. I refuse to use the phrase, which for years meant nothing more than happy go-lucky. The majority of sodomites are anything but happy and most are miserable because they know their sexual deviancy if wrong and they refuse to admit it; lashing out at anyone that suggest they need God in their lives.


35 posted on 11/23/2013 9:29:05 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

I agree completely but am reticent to use the word that truly applies.


36 posted on 11/23/2013 9:58:22 AM PST by AdaGray
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To: NKP_Vet

I agree completely but am reticent to use the word that truly applies.


37 posted on 11/23/2013 9:58:42 AM PST by AdaGray
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To: marshmallow
In the land that ... helped evangelize Europe

ENGLAND? Nope. The Irish and Welsh yes, but not the English...

38 posted on 11/23/2013 9:44:42 PM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Paul R.; Fai Mao

The Catholic Church is doing well — churches overflowing with the young. There are a few Baptist Churches that are also full. And the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox are also large.


39 posted on 11/23/2013 9:46:35 PM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: TexasFreeper2009; stylecouncilor

I’m an OT believer. ‘About to go to SC to visit granddaughter and family. One Sunday I’ll visit their Missouri Synod Lutheran church, and the next I’m going to a “mega-church” with one of daughter’s co-workers.

I love the idea of fellowship within these. But I’m still an OT believer.


40 posted on 11/24/2013 8:22:58 AM PST by onedoug
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