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The Christian Faith of Squanto, Who by Divine Providence Rescued the Pilgrims.
Taylor Marshall | Dr. Taylor Marshall

Posted on 11/26/2013 9:29:51 AM PST by dangus

Do you remember Squanto, the Native American who assisted the Puritan Pilgrims at the “first Thanksgiving”?

His true name was Tisquantum, yet he is affectionately known to us as “Squanto.”

In 1614, Squanto was captured by a lieutenant of John Smith (remember? from Pocahontas). This shameful lieutenant attempted to sell Squanto and other Native Americans into slavery via Spain. However, some Franciscan friars discovered the plot and acquired the captured Native Americans, Squanto included. During this time, Squanto received instruction in the Catholic Faith and received holy baptism.

As a freeman, Squanto traveled to London where became a laborer in the shipyards. Here he became fluent in English. Eventually, Squanto was able to return to his Native Land, New England, in 1619 – five years after he had been kidnapped. He returned only to discover that his people were being decimated by the recently imported European diseases.

Since he was fluent in English, Squanto became well-known and valuable to the new English Pilgrims settled at Plymouth. As an English speaker, Squanto taught the Pilgrims how to fertilize the ground, grow corn, and the best places to catch fish. Squanto eventually contracted one of the European diseases.

Governor William Bradford described Squanto’s death like this:

Squanto fell ill of Indian fever, bleeding much at the nose, which the Indians take as a symptom of death, and within a few days he died. He begged the Governor to pray for him, that he might go to the Englishman’s God in heaven, and bequeathed several of his things to his English friends, as remembrances. His death was a great loss. So remember Squanto today and perhaps share this bit of history during your Thanksgiving feast. Let us pray for Squanto, and may he pray for us.

http://taylormarshall.com/2012/11/squanto-catholic-hero-of-thanksgiving.html


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1 posted on 11/26/2013 9:29:51 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

http://taylormarshall.com/2012/11/squanto-catholic-hero-of-thanksgiving.html


2 posted on 11/26/2013 9:32:42 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: dangus
I remember.

Was it Squanto who introduced smoking tobacco to the English settlers?

3 posted on 11/26/2013 9:39:03 AM PST by SMARTY ("The test of every religious, political, or educational system is the man that it forms." H. Amiel)
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To: Star Traveler

I hope the author will forgive me in that I buried the lede, where he did not.


4 posted on 11/26/2013 9:40:32 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus; Squantos
Do you remember Squanto, the Native American who assisted the Puritan Pilgrims at the “first Thanksgiving”?

No, but I do recall Squantos, the FReeper legion who (apparently) guarded the Puritan's cornfield.


5 posted on 11/26/2013 9:41:53 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: dangus

When Disney made a movie about Squanto, they needed a song for the movie. They engaged a MiQ’Maw Songwriter from my tribe to write the song. He did write, but only after he received inspiration. It was a carefully crafted song about the angry bear inside of us all(symbolic of an uncontrolled temper and pride) and I guess it was a wee bit too “spiritual” to become a Disney Classic.

You can hear a remnant of the song in the Disney Movie “Squanto, A Warrior’s Tale” in the scene where he is forced to wrestle a bear for the entertainment of some English onlookers.

The movie is fairly accurate, and shows him living with the monks, but it does not go into detail about his Christian Faith or baptism, as far as I can recall.

It has been a long time since I have seen the movie.


6 posted on 11/26/2013 10:31:32 AM PST by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: Star Traveler

If Squanto was a Christian, and has been taken into heaven, he has not further need of our prayers. I am not inclined to offer prayers for the dead, and thereby to give evidence that I do not believe the salvation earned by Jesus, the Christ, was sufficient to its redemptive purpose.


7 posted on 11/26/2013 10:38:17 AM PST by Elsiejay
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To: dangus

Let’s hear it for Squanto!


8 posted on 11/26/2013 10:41:50 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Elsiejay

Exactly,

we remember Squanto, but do not pray for the dead (that would be futile).


9 posted on 11/26/2013 10:49:03 AM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: Nervous Tick

Yep !

Happy Thanksgiving to all good freepers !

Stay Safe y’all !


10 posted on 11/26/2013 11:40:33 AM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: NYer; Salvation

Ping


11 posted on 11/26/2013 11:52:37 AM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: JSDude1; Elsiejay

Your choice of the word futile was apt in aiding me to call to mind a contrary viewpoint. There are a whole pile of Christians (the Orthodox and the Catholics together dwarf the Protestants), as well as some Jews, that would argue precisely the opposite: praying for the dead is a sign of belief in the Resurrection. These folks (Jews excepted) do believe in Christ’s merits—they understand them to be applied in a different way than you do.

II Maccabees 12:44-45 (A Jewish work written about 100 years before Christ):

44 For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. 45 But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, so that they might be delivered from their sin.


12 posted on 11/26/2013 11:59:29 AM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Elsiejay

Christians are not to pray for the dead; but they pray for the survivors. Some, however, are so uninformed that they get the two mixed up.


13 posted on 11/26/2013 12:18:45 PM PST by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs are flirting with Christie, but it's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: Theodore R.

I missed that verse.


14 posted on 11/26/2013 12:25:18 PM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Hieronymus

Jesus made and gives and sustains the redemption, I can do nothing. That is orthodox (not the Church necessarily), but orthodox Christian hope and faith (belief).

-JS

Praying for the dead does nothing because they’re already dead.


15 posted on 11/26/2013 1:09:01 PM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: JSDude1

If you can do nothing, why pray for the living? If you can do something, how do you know that someone being dead makes it so that you can do nothing for them?

Orthodox hope actually presupposes that God provides us with the means of salvation with which we can cooperate. Orthodox faith believes whatever God has revealed: where has God revealed that we can do nothing? I thought that I could do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

The statement “Praying for the dead does nothing because they’re already dead” proves nothing, unless what you want them to be is dead or to not die. I could equally state “Praying for the Chinese does nothing because they’re already in China.”


16 posted on 11/26/2013 1:18:43 PM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Hieronymus

Ephesians 2:8-9 My friend (among other verse)

’ For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.’

Hebrews 9:27


And just as each person is destined to die once and after that comes judgment,’

Matthew 11:28

“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.”

I’ll an easy faith is reliant upon God, rather than works based salvation which doesn’t work.


17 posted on 11/26/2013 6:17:13 PM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: JSDude1

I’m neither a Pelagian or a semi-Pelagian—all that is good comes from “Christ who works in me”(Colossians 1:29).

And how do you know what comes after the judgment? What verse indicates that after the particular judgment everyone immediately enters into heaven or hell?

And, if my memory serves me correctly, Matthew continues on to speak of “my yoke is easy and my burden light”—not that there is nothing to do.


18 posted on 11/26/2013 6:27:06 PM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Hieronymus

I don’t care about being a Pelagian or not (really I don’t know what that is).

However I do know that Jesus saves apart from our works.

I never said as much that we weren’t tasked to allow God to use those who are saved for His good works, just that as it pertains to salvation works doesn’t enter into the picture (and cannot).

Prayer for the dead as I stated is futile. They are either with The Lord, or sadly in judgment (death)...


19 posted on 11/26/2013 7:10:00 PM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: JSDude1

Pelagius was a monk of the early fifth century who had some original, and flawed, ideas about grace. Sts. Augustine and Jerome largely demolished his position,. A Pelagian is one who believes that we can do good works apart from grace—all that we need is knowledge. A more nuanced position, called semi-Pelagianism, holds that we need grace to get us started, but once we are started we can go at it on our own. St. Augustine also took on this position, but there was some debate about it for about 100 years, until Pope Boniface II ratified the teaching of the Synod of Orange on the issue in 531. Grace, and our continual cooperation with it, is the foundation and cause of any good works in which we participate.

Leaving the word works out of the equation, I resort to the formulation of St. Augustine
“God who created you without your cooperation, will not save you without your cooperation.” (Sermon 169)

I repeat my question regarding the dead: How do you know that those who die with a sin that is truly a sin but not a sin unto death (I John 5:17) are not cleaned up after death? Or is St. John lying?


20 posted on 11/26/2013 8:30:55 PM PST by Hieronymus
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To: JSDude1

Pelagius was a monk of the early fifth century who had some original, and flawed, ideas about grace. Sts. Augustine and Jerome largely demolished his position,. A Pelagian is one who believes that we can do good works apart from grace—all that we need is knowledge. A more nuanced position, called semi-Pelagianism, holds that we need grace to get us started, but once we are started we can go at it on our own. St. Augustine also took on this position, but there was some debate about it for about 100 years, until Pope Boniface II ratified the teaching of the Synod of Orange on the issue in 531. Grace, and our continual cooperation with it, is the foundation and cause of any good works in which we participate.

Leaving the word works out of the equation, I resort to the formulation of St. Augustine
“God who created you without your cooperation, will not save you without your cooperation.” (Sermon 169)

I repeat my question regarding the dead: How do you know that those who die with a sin that is truly a sin but not a sin unto death (I John 5:17) are not cleaned up after death? Or is St. John lying?


21 posted on 11/26/2013 8:30:57 PM PST by Hieronymus
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To: Star Traveler

Thanks for posting this.


22 posted on 11/26/2013 8:38:42 PM PST by zot
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To: Hieronymus

Well we know in John chapter 3 that Jesus specifically says that a person MUST be born again to be saved.

So then the question becomes then How is one born again?

Well that is also answered in John Chapter 3: By the Holy Spirit. Well yes, but then HOW?

Well I’ll tell you. Because the answer is also in this chapter. (I am sure you can even quote John 3:16) I will give 14-18 which put it into context and further explain

“14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,[f] 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”[g]

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.”

So it is BELIEF in Jesus as your personal savior from your sin that will save. This new life is given by God, it is not one we can earn.

So clearly you can see from Jesus own mouth that if one (person) isn’t saved (born again) they ARE already condemned and if they die without being born again sadly they have chosen death, separation from God..

Now I will tell you what I believe is the truth, if one searches (truly) for the truth (this desire is no doubt been given by God, and desires to know Him, that God will move heaven and earth in that person’s life to know that Jesus is the Christ!


23 posted on 11/26/2013 10:42:52 PM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: JSDude1

Praying for the dead is NOT for their salvation, but for their consolation in and release from purgatory.


24 posted on 11/27/2013 4:54:42 AM PST by dangus
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To: Elsiejay

Probably not a Christian, else he’d not have asked the governor to pray that his soul would go to Heaven. A true Christian would have made that decision earlier, with full confidence that he would be in Heaven after death. Any other prayers in that vein by someone else... wasted breath.


25 posted on 11/27/2013 5:03:34 AM PST by MayflowerMadam ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait until it's free." P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: MayflowerMadam

Well, probably not a Baptist. However, a Christian is a FOLLOWER of Christ, one who is working out his salvation in fear and trembling, in the words of St. Paul. (Phil. 2:12). How one reconciles the work, the fear, and the trembling with a certain theology peculiar to the U.S. (thathas always struck me as Pelagian) is not clear to me.


26 posted on 11/27/2013 7:02:52 AM PST by Hieronymus
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To: JSDude1

The new life is given by God, but once you are given it, you are asked by God to live it, and if one opts to bury it in a napkin, as it were, all bets are off as to whether or not it will be retained on judgment day (take his talent and give it to the one having ten).

James 2 has something to say on the subject:
14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good[b] is that? 17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! 20 Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God. 24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? 26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.


27 posted on 11/27/2013 7:06:25 AM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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