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The Hobbit and EWTN
Waiting for Godot to Leave ^ | November 21, 2013 | Kevin O'Brien

Posted on 11/27/2013 2:50:45 PM PST by NYer

Joseph Pearce writes ...

I'm at EWTN at the moment and had a sneak preview of the forthcoming Hobbit special on which we worked. It's truly superb and you are as wonderful as ever! It's being aired on December 5th.

Can't wait to see it!

We filmed two specials - one on The Hobbit and one on The Lord of the Rings.  I have not yet heard when the second one will air.  I play Tolkien in both specials and Joseph offers his insightful commentary on the Catholic elements in Tolkien's works.  I'll pass long more info as it's passed along to me.

Here I am with Joseph in the marvelous Hobbit Hole set at EWTN when we filmed last spring ...



TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: hobbit; lotr

1 posted on 11/27/2013 2:50:45 PM PST by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Caught an ad last night on EWTN for this upcoming special. Will post more information once I find it.


2 posted on 11/27/2013 2:51:25 PM PST by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: NYer
Last year, our homeschool association had a Hobbit Reading Club, where we went through the book in detail and then watched the Part-one movie last December. (Back in the 80s in Texas, I got drunk with those Dwarves ...)

Those of use who are Cranks about the Text aren't happy with much of what Mr. Jackson has done ... but one can enjoy the good parts, I guess.

I think one has to experience Tolkien in the text. After studying "The Hobbit," I started reading "The Lord of the Rings" to my four youngest boys. We're well into "The Two Towers" now.

3 posted on 11/27/2013 3:03:08 PM PST by Tax-chick (Are you getting ready for the Advent Kitteh?)
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To: NYer

I had mixed feelings about the first “Hobbit” film. Parts of it I enjoyed very much; the first 40 minutes or so of setup, and especially the Bilbo & Gollum sequence.

The “action” parts in the middle & end, though...not so much. At points it almost felt like watching a video game, the way those dwarves were hacking their way through the goblins; and they physic-free way the good guys could fall for hundreds or even thousands(!) of feet without so much as a scratch...


4 posted on 11/27/2013 3:13:07 PM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell

Peter Jackson has a thing about falling. I hate it. Get over it. Move on, and give us some dialogue out of the source texts, you egomaniac.


5 posted on 11/27/2013 3:21:41 PM PST by Tax-chick (Are you getting ready for the Advent Kitteh?)
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To: Tax-chick

Do not read The Silmarillion! An alternative to Creation.

That is where I stopped with Tolkein. I and most of my friends knew The LOTR inside out but had trouble quoting The Bible.

Not saying the works aren’t wonderful and valuable but when we became more aware of fantasy than Scripture it was time to give fantasy up.


6 posted on 11/27/2013 3:24:16 PM PST by prisoner6 ( FREEDOM)
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To: Tax-chick
Peter Jackson has a thing about falling.

Yup. Just look at the 5 minute long falling sequence in his version of "King Kong".

7 posted on 11/27/2013 3:25:10 PM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: prisoner6; Tax-chick

Parts of The Silmarillion are good but over all, it’s long and tedious reading.

I didn’t enjoy it nearly as much as LOTR.


8 posted on 11/27/2013 3:27:19 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: prisoner6
Do not read The Silmarillion! An alternative to Creation.

Um...it's Middle Earth, not our Earth. Middle Earth is one of the most detailed examples of world-building in all of literature, and The Silmarillion is a valuable addition to it. To advise someone not to read it because it will draw them away from The Bible is just...silly.

Now, advising them not to read it because it's boring...that's another matter entirely!

9 posted on 11/27/2013 3:29:19 PM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: prisoner6
I read "Silmarillion," but not enough times for it to make a difference. (Maybe once all the way though.) There are some neat stories in there.

...when we became more aware of fantasy than Scripture it was time to give fantasy up.

I agree. In retrospect, J.R.R. might have seen that creating a comprehensive mythology risked hooking in wannabe polytheists.

10 posted on 11/27/2013 3:29:42 PM PST by Tax-chick (Are you getting ready for the Advent Kitteh?)
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To: NYer

Is that troll from Lord of the Ring show up


11 posted on 11/27/2013 3:29:45 PM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Tax-chick
haven't seen the Hobbit

but I loved the 3 Lord of the Rings movies

awesome doesn't begin to describe them imo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tgi-j56ueU

12 posted on 11/27/2013 3:31:28 PM PST by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: Kip Russell; prisoner6; metmom
I never saw "King Kong," but it's obvious from the Tolkien oeuvre that the falling is like an obsession for Jackson. Sorry, I'd rather see John Ford's repetitive tropes!

The Silmarillion is boring like Ovid's Metamorphoses is boring. We know the parts of the "old stuff" that are important to us right now, and wake me up when I care about something else. In these way, Tolkien's invented mythology is way on track with mythology from millennia earlier.

13 posted on 11/27/2013 3:35:43 PM PST by Tax-chick (Are you getting ready for the Advent Kitteh?)
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To: NYer; zot; Interesting Times; SeraphimApprentice

Thanks for the alert.


14 posted on 11/27/2013 3:36:28 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: NYer; Tax-chick; GeronL; MeganC; GraceG; onyx; Zionist Conspirator
For your listening Pleasure...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ymgFyzbDo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXxGCWGKs9M

15 posted on 11/27/2013 4:30:24 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: KC_Lion

thank you

Sam would love Thanksgiving


16 posted on 11/27/2013 5:01:24 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Tax-chick

“(Back in the 80s in Texas, I got drunk with those Dwarves ...)”

I can’t help but think there’s an interesting story in there somewhere.


17 posted on 11/27/2013 5:02:38 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: KC_Lion

Thank you! Just messaged that to my Marine son—he’ll love it.


18 posted on 11/27/2013 5:20:47 PM PST by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping.


19 posted on 11/27/2013 5:29:04 PM PST by zot
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To: Tax-chick

It’s not perfect. How in the world they left out the penultimate “Scouring of the Shire” is still something I shake my head about.


20 posted on 11/27/2013 5:37:21 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL
How in the world they left out the penultimate “Scouring of the Shire” is still something I shake my head about.

I believe the problem was pacing; we've just spent nine hours (twelve in the director's cut) in three movies, and the One Ring & Sauron are finally destroyed...and then we're going to take 20 minutes to show a bunch of ruffians being run out of The Shire? And then show 20 minutes of endings tying up plot threads? In a movie, it just wouldn't work well.

The book is another matter, of course.

21 posted on 11/27/2013 7:22:39 PM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: vladimir998

Several, although I know about them only from the reports of observers ;-).


22 posted on 11/28/2013 3:14:47 AM PST by Tax-chick (Are you getting ready for the Advent Kitteh?)
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To: Tax-chick

At some point in time, most of us have drank with those dwarves... Good times.

Love the books. The movies not as much. I can see what will happen with the next one, and don’t like the direction.


23 posted on 11/28/2013 5:31:23 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Tax-chick; prisoner6

That is a risk with all fantasy.

The trouble is that, even in Narnia, it presents a mythology that can be viewed as an alternative to Christianity. I have known a few people who dabbled in the occult because of their love of the wizards in LOTR.

But I have also known a few who found it a great bullwark to their Christian faith.


24 posted on 11/28/2013 5:34:00 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
The trouble is that, even in Narnia, it presents a mythology that can be viewed as an alternative to Christianity. I have known a few people who dabbled in the occult because of their love of the wizards in LOTR.

A few people will becomes obsessed with any form of fiction that has a huge fan base, especially films. Just look at (for instance) Star Wars, Star Trek, Harry Potter, and the Twilight franchises. In all of these cases, there are a small number of people who take their involvement with the films beyond mere fandom into obsession.

I don't think that's a reason for any rational person to avoid enjoying any of them.

(mind you, there is a different reason to avoid Twilight...it's terrible)

25 posted on 11/28/2013 7:09:30 AM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: KC_Lion

I still like the 1977 Rankin-Bass version.


26 posted on 11/28/2013 8:18:51 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Kip Russell; redgolum

Yes, some people are just going to go overboard over something, whatever it is.


27 posted on 11/28/2013 8:47:50 AM PST by Tax-chick (Are you getting ready for the Advent Kitteh?)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I still like the 1977 Rankin-Bass version.

1977 vs 2012:


28 posted on 11/28/2013 9:03:51 AM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell

Thorin is supposed to be old, over 200, not a hottie.


29 posted on 11/28/2013 9:47:48 AM PST by Tax-chick (Are you getting ready for the Advent Kitteh?)
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To: Tax-chick
Thorin is supposed to be old, over 200, not a hottie.

Heck, Aragorn is 88 years old by the time of the events in The Lord of the Rings, Frodo is 50, Gimli is 139, and Legolas is over 800. Gandalf is thousands of years old.

Some people (especially non-human people) age really well in Middle Earth

30 posted on 11/28/2013 10:11:04 AM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell

Yes, but Thorin is described as appearing old, including a long, white beard.


31 posted on 11/28/2013 11:12:48 AM PST by Tax-chick (Are you getting ready for the Advent Kitteh?)
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To: Tax-chick
Yes, but Thorin is described as appearing old, including a long, white beard.

Er...the film version has white highlights?

Ok, that's a stretch. It's pretty obvious that in Jackson's version of The Hobbit, Thorin is filling the "Aragorn, Jr." slot.

32 posted on 11/28/2013 11:16:17 AM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell

I agree. The characters are reworked to fit Jackson’s vision of the story, not the author’s.

That doesn’t keep it from being somewhat fun, but it’s still obnoxious. Especially all the falling!


33 posted on 11/28/2013 11:23:37 AM PST by Tax-chick (Are you getting ready for the Advent Kitteh?)
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To: Tax-chick
That doesn’t keep it from being somewhat fun, but it’s still obnoxious. Especially all the falling!

I was more annoyed by the over the top stunts; Legolas surfing the shield down the stairs, bouncing around like Spider-Man on the oliphaunt, etc. That and some of the lame attempts at humor (most of which had Gimli as the butt of the them) did detract from the films.

But that having been said, they remain the greatest fantasy epic ever put on film. I just like to nitpick :-)

34 posted on 11/28/2013 12:19:03 PM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell
Legolas surfing the shield down the stairs, bouncing around like Spider-Man on the oliphaunt, etc. That and some of the lame attempts at humor (most of which had Gimli as the butt of the them) did detract from the films.

Yeah, that too. And Arwen, Warrior Princess.

35 posted on 11/28/2013 12:53:06 PM PST by Tax-chick (Are you getting ready for the Advent Kitteh?)
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To: Tax-chick
Yeah, that too. And Arwen, Warrior Princess.

While shoehorning Arwen into that role wasn't faithful to the source material, I don't think it hurt the movie as such the way lame jokes did.

36 posted on 11/28/2013 1:01:19 PM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell

I suppose I have to agree. If the viewer hadn’t read the books, he wouldn’t know any different about that character, but the stupid contemporary jokes affect the movie as an independent work of art.


37 posted on 11/28/2013 1:09:46 PM PST by Tax-chick (Are you getting ready for the Advent Kitteh?)
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To: Tax-chick
but the stupid contemporary jokes affect the movie as an independent work of art.

"No one tosses a dwarf!"

Blech.

38 posted on 11/28/2013 1:50:08 PM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell

Agreed. Blech.


39 posted on 11/28/2013 3:11:24 PM PST by Tax-chick (Are you getting ready for the Advent Kitteh?)
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