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Petrus Romanus: Pope Advocates Global Wealth Redistribution,..
SHTF Plan ^ | Nov. 27, 2013 | Marc Slavo

Posted on 11/29/2013 7:33:39 AM PST by SatinDoll

[title cont.: ...Renounces Free Market Economics as “Crude and Naive”]

Since his coronation, Pope Francis has made waves throughout the Catholic community, often shunning generally accepted Papal tradition for a more modern and progressive world. He is, for lack of a better term, a reformer. From refusing the luxurious living quarters traditionally reserved for the head of the Church in the Vatican, to turning Catholic dogma on its head by suggesting it’s OK to be gay when he addressed the issue by asking, “Who am I to judge?” Francis is unlike any popes who have come before him.

By some accounts, he has been a positive influence, as evidenced by a growing interest in Catholicism since he took the reigns of the Church. For others, especially those who have followed the centuries old prophecies of Saint Malachy, his message is being approached with caution and skepticism.

Now, in his first encyclical, a Papal letter sent to Bishops of the Roman Catholic Church, Francis has once again caused an uproar by claiming free market capitalism and trickle-down economics are unproven theories not backed with facts.

“It is no longer simply about exploitation and oppression, but something new,” the pontiff wrote in the 85-page document. “Exclusion ultimately has to do with what it means to be a part of the society in which we live; those excluded are no longer society’s underside or its fringes or its disenfranchised – they are no longer even a part of it. The excluded are not the ‘exploited’ but the outcast, the ‘leftovers’.

The pope also denounced “trickle-down” theories of economics promoted by many conservatives and politicians who espouse an unregulated free market.

“In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world,” he said. “This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting.”

“In addition to restating opposition by the Catholic Church to abortion, the new Pope criticized free market capitalism and advocated wealth redistribution,” notes Kurt Nimmo of Infowars about the Pope’s latest ideas.

While the free market system as it exists today is certainly not ideal, especially considering the elite political machinations taking place behind the scenes on a global scale (including within the halls of the Vatican itself), Pope Francis seems to indicate in his encyclical that the solution is wealth redistribution – on a global scale.

Helping the poor and destitute has always been a tenet of Christianity and Catholicism, but the Pope’s statements become suspect for a variety of reasons, with one of the keys being the notion that he is the fulfillment of a prophecy that claims Francis will be the Pope that ushers in an era right out of the Book of Revelations.

The hesitation for many in subscribing to Francis’ message of reformation is attributed to a document referred to as the Prophecy of the Popes, which was hidden in the vaults of the Vatican for nearly 900 years, but followed closely by insiders:

In 1139 A.D. the Catholic Saint Malachy was said to have experienced visions during a trip to Rome. He subsequently put these visions to paper and penned a document containing 112 short phrases purporting to describe all future popes that would head the Catholic Church. Though not a part of official Catholic dogma or church teachings, this Prophecy of the Popes is well known by Vatican officials and church scholars because it has been remarkably accurate about naming the last 111 heads of one of the world’s oldest and most widespread religions.

According to researchers, theologians and evangelical scholars, the phrases Malachy scribed in his writings offer up the “nature, name, destiny or coat of arms” of every pope in succession and culminate with the naming of the 112th pope.

Now, according to prophecy, the 112th Pope will step up to head the Church, and he will be named Petrus Romanus, or Peter the Roman.

Here’s the scary part, and one that has given Catholics and other theologians pause, because according to Malachy’s prophecy, Petrus Romanus is to be the final pope, who will oversee not only the destruction of the Catholic Church, but the world as we know it:

“In extreme persecution the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman…”

“Who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the terrible or fearsome judge will judge his people.

The End.”

Prophecy of the Popes – Attributed to St. Malachy circa 1139 A.D.

Tom Horn of Raiders News Update and one of the world’s foremost experts on the subject published a book in 2012 with theologian Chris Putnam titled Petrus Romanus: The Final Pope Is Here. In their book, the researches claim that the 111th Pope, Benedict, would resign from his position, something that had not happened for 600 years. Benedict did, in fact, resign less than a year later and was replaced by current Pope Francis.

According to Horn, though Francis’ name does not directly match that of “Petrus Romanus,” he may well be fulfilling the age-old prophecy of Malachy:

Horn has said a pope of Italian descent would fulfill the prophecy, noting Bergoglio is the son of Italian parents and a Jesuit.

“Being a Jesuit is a very important aspect of our prediction in our book,” Horn told WND in an email.

He also sees significance in Bergoglio naming himself after Francis of Assisi, an Italian, or Roman, priest whose original name was Francesco di Pietro (Peter) di Bernardone, “literally, Peter the Roman.”

What’s more, in a recent interview Tom Horn tied together Malachy’s writings with the research of other Vatican scholars and theologians which indicate that, while Francis himself may not be the biblical anti-christ, he may be the world leader who introduces him, supports his ideas and helps to convince unwitting followers to put their trust in him.

Something big is coming… it does involve the war of wars… and I believe that we’re on the precipice of it right now.

I want to talk about the strategems that I believe will be used to initiate it…

It is a war between good and evil… but on the surface it might not appear to be because it’s also going to include believers against believers… and I’m talking about some of the biggest ministries in the world…

Tom Horn Full Interview with Steve Quayle on the Hagmann and Hagmann Report:

*Note: This is a 3 hour interview and worth listening to in full. For those with limited time, we suggest forwarding to about 1:03:00 into the interview where Tom Horn details his research.

Stepping outside of Church dogma by attacking the concept of free market capitalism may soon be revealed to be a politically motivated move by the Pope with much deeper implications.

At this point, while we should not necessarily ignore Malachy’s prophecy or the Pope’s enyclical, some skepticism is certainly understandable.

Until Francis begins to put his support behind world leaders or political movements, it remains difficult, if not impossible, to confirm the Pope has ulterior motives and is, in fact, fulfillment of prophecy. However, the goings on in the world suggest that Tom Horn is on target with his assessment that something big is coming. And the fact that there are over one billion Catholics globally indicates that whatever happens will also involve the Church as well as this pope.

History proves that the Roman Catholic Church has been directly involved in confrontations since its very inception, so its involvement now would not be without precedent.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; History
KEYWORDS: anticapitalist; business; popefrancis; socialists; wealthredistribution
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I do not hide my antipathy for this Pope Francis. He is revolting to me and definitely of a lower caliber than the previous one.

When God is angry with us, when he wants to punish us, he sends incompetent and lousey priests. This Pope is the 112th Pope of the Malachy Prophecies.

If you don't know what that means, I strongly suggest reading the entire article.

1 posted on 11/29/2013 7:33:39 AM PST by SatinDoll
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To: SatinDoll

Does he still believe Christ is the only way to salvation, or is that too old fashioned?

Pray America is Waking


2 posted on 11/29/2013 7:37:59 AM PST by bray (Repeal Obamacare)
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To: SatinDoll

“Who am I to judge?”

Uh.....the Pope??


3 posted on 11/29/2013 7:39:53 AM PST by rbg81
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To: SatinDoll

The media is focusing on only a small part of his document. It is mostly about evangelization.

May there is one page on economics.

Did you read the entire document?


4 posted on 11/29/2013 7:40:22 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SatinDoll

I wish this Pope would focus on his own profession and refrain from commenting on economics....a subject he knows nothing about.

Coming from Argentina you would think he would know how precisely how excessive taxation and spending can bankrupt government.


5 posted on 11/29/2013 7:40:50 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: SatinDoll

If the Pope is into “wealth distribution,” he should practice what he preaches.

Auction off the Vatican art treasures in London and New York and give the money to the poor around the world.

Same with the Catholic bishops in America. They want amnesty? EBT cards and/or welfare for Mexican illegals in the U.S.? Then help cover the economic cost by paying real estate taxes on church properties in the U.S.


6 posted on 11/29/2013 7:41:01 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (The Second Amendment makes all the other amendments possible)
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To: SatinDoll

Maybe we should redistribute the wealth from wealthy black Muslims back to poor Christian whites.


7 posted on 11/29/2013 7:41:43 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: SatinDoll

Don’t forget this Peter the Roman Pope also has access to the order of Albino Assassin Monks as well as the supercomputer underneath the Vatican with all the Protestant names and locations. So he could be the most dangerous Peter the Roman Pope ever.

It’s the only thing that makes sense.

Freegards


8 posted on 11/29/2013 7:42:29 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: SatinDoll

The author is whacko. I can’t read past the third word in this article.

“coronation???”

A Pope is installed at a Mass. There is no coronation to it.

BTW, do you remember how everyone dissed Pope Benedict’s encyclicals when they first came out? Same thing here.

Did you join their crowd?


9 posted on 11/29/2013 7:42:57 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SatinDoll
This writer loses me with the "who am I to judge", which has already been debunked.

And this latest supposedly Marxist or socialist screed is the victim of a bad translation. What he actually said was that free market economics alone will not save anybody. That's straight out of the Catechism.

Father Z's blog explains how the Spanish was mis-translated. You know Fr. Z is a straight-up traditional priest, and he has had his moments of worry about Pope Francis. But not only have mistranslations and omissions come to light, Pope Francis himself has clarified and contradicted where it seems necessary.

We have to be careful not to run with what the media is saying about this pope. They desperately want him to be what you fear him to be. So you probably have a somewhat misleading impression of him here.

I don't much care for Jesuits generally*, and of course Latin America is full of liberation-theology types. But given Pope Francis' track record I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. And my due obedience.

*I was told long ago that the best way to tell the Good Jesuits from the Other Kind is to look at their shoes. A Good Jesuit will have beat-up, down at heels, grungy old shoes, because he's serious about his vow of Poverty. And Pope Francis is not going to change that - nor is he going to change his gregarious nature by isolating himself in the Papal Apartments.

10 posted on 11/29/2013 7:43:53 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: SatinDoll

In a few posts you will read “his words were taken out of context”.
Everyday it seems the man says strange things


11 posted on 11/29/2013 7:44:17 AM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: SatinDoll

since there is no 112 this one must surely be the anti...


12 posted on 11/29/2013 7:46:33 AM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Ransomed

Don’t forget the tiger blood and Adonis DNA.


13 posted on 11/29/2013 7:48:22 AM PST by RichInOC (2013-14 Tiber Swim Team.)
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To: SatinDoll

that does it. I am done with this “pope”


14 posted on 11/29/2013 7:48:29 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SatinDoll

Nature will take care of the third world poor. One bad growing season will sort things out.


15 posted on 11/29/2013 7:48:50 AM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: SatinDoll

“Francis has once again caused an uproar by claiming free market capitalism and trickle-down economics are unproven theories not backed with facts.”

Which is why he’s in the religion game and not the economics game.


16 posted on 11/29/2013 7:50:18 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: SatinDoll

God has a timeline that is a mystery to us. In the West, we bemoan how our culture has drifted away from Christ. But, at the same time, there has been an incredible awakening in Africa and Asia as millions have braved real persecution to follow Christ. On the whole, is the world drifting away or moving towards Jesus?

In Revelation, Daniel, and Matthew, we learn about God’s ultimate plan for humanity. Whatever this pope is, he is just another human.

In the US and Europe, we need to find our way back to Christ and the cross—not to save the world from God’s wrath, but to prepare ourselves to be a part of his plan by being one of his when the time comes.


17 posted on 11/29/2013 7:50:35 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: SatinDoll
When God is angry with us, when he wants to punish us, he sends incompetent and lousey priests.

Haha!

18 posted on 11/29/2013 7:52:10 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Ransomed

you can’t hide, Dan Brown, I know that’s you!


19 posted on 11/29/2013 7:52:31 AM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: svcw

Many of the Chinese people I know say the same thing about Mao Zedong...


20 posted on 11/29/2013 7:53:11 AM PST by oblomov
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To: SatinDoll
Pope Advocates Global Wealth Redistribution,..

The Catholic Church is one of the wealthiest institutions on the face of the planet. It has $Billions in assets throughout the world. It had an estimated wealth of between $10 billion and $15 billion -- in 1965.

Redistribution? Okay, you first.
21 posted on 11/29/2013 7:53:37 AM PST by TomGuy (.)
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To: SatinDoll
In America, the idea of the right to "freedom of individual enterprise," like all the Creator-endowed rights (life, liberty, and the "pursuit of happiness") claimed in the Declaration, and protected by the subsequent Constitution, relied on what founding generations called a "virtuous" and moral people whose respect for the equal rights of others would guide their actions.

The second President of the U. S., John Adams, a signer of the Constitution, in his First Inaugural's closing paragraph, laid out his understanding of the qualifications for the Office of President.

Inaugural Address of President John Adams

- (Excerpted & reformatted final words)

Philadelphia, March 4, 1797

“. . . as something may be expected, the occasion, I hope, will be admitted as an apology if I venture to say that

- if a preference, upon principle, of a free republican government, formed upon long and serious reflection, after a diligent and impartial inquiry after truth;

- if an attachment to the Constitution of the United States, and a conscientious determination to support it until it shall be altered by the judgments and wishes of the people, expressed in the mode prescribed in it;

- if a respectful attention to the constitutions of the individual States and a constant caution and delicacy toward the State governments;

- if an equal and impartial regard to the rights, interest, honor, and happiness of all the States in the Union, without preference or regard to a northern or southern, an eastern or western, position, their various political opinions on unessential points or their personal attachments;

- if a love of virtuous men of all parties and denominations;

- if a love of science and letters and a wish to patronize every rational effort to encourage schools, colleges, universities, academies, and every institution for propagating knowledge, virtue, and religion among all classes of the people, not only for their benign influence on the happiness of life in all its stages and classes, and of society in all its forms, but as the only means of preserving our Constitution from its natural enemies, the spirit of sophistry, the spirit of party, the spirit of intrigue, the profligacy of corruption, and the pestilence of foreign influence, which is the angel of destruction to elective governments;

- if a love of equal laws, of justice, and humanity in the interior administration;

- if an inclination to improve agriculture, commerce, and manufacturers for necessity, convenience, and defense;

- if a spirit of equity and humanity toward the aboriginal nations of America, and a disposition to meliorate their condition by inclining them to be more friendly to us, and our citizens to be more friendly to them;

- if an inflexible determination to maintain peace and inviolable faith with all nations, and that system of neutrality and impartiality among the belligerent powers of Europe which has been adopted by this Government and so solemnly sanctioned by both Houses of Congress and applauded by the legislatures of the States and the public opinion, until it shall be otherwise ordained by Congress;

- if a personal esteem for the French nation, formed in a residence of seven years chiefly among them, and a sincere desire to preserve the friendship which has been so much for the honor and interest of both nations;

- if, while the conscious honor and integrity of the people of America and the internal sentiment of their own power and energies must be preserved, an earnest endeavor to investigate every just cause and remove every colorable pretense of complaint;

- if an intention to pursue by amicable negotiation a reparation for the injuries that have been committed on the commerce of our fellow-citizens by whatever nation, and if success can not be obtained, to lay the facts before the Legislature, that they may consider what further measures the honor and interest of the Government and its constituents demand;

- if a resolution to do justice as far as may depend upon me, at all times and to all nations, and maintain peace, friendship, and benevolence with all the world;

- if an unshaken confidence in the honor, spirit, and resources of the American people, on which I have so often hazarded my all and never been deceived;

- if elevated ideas of the high destinies of this country and of my own duties toward it, founded on a knowledge of the moral principles and intellectual improvements of the people deeply engraven on my mind in early life, and not obscured but exalted by experience and age;

and, with humble reverence, I feel it to be my duty to add, if a veneration for the religion of a people who profess and call themselves Christians, and a fixed resolution to consider a decent respect for Christianity among the best recommendations for the public service, can enable me in any degree to comply with your wishes, it shall be my strenuous endeavor that this sagacious injunction of the two Houses shall not be without effect.

With this great example before me, with the sense and spirit, the  faith and honor, the duty and interest, of the same American people pledged to support the Constitution of the United States, I entertain no doubt of its continuance in all its energy, and my mind is prepared without hesitation to lay myself under the most solemn obligations to support it to the utmost of my power.

And may that Being who is supreme over all, the Patron of Order, the Fountain of Justice, and the Protector in all ages of the world of virtuous liberty, continue His blessing upon this nation and its Government and give it all possible success and duration consistent with the ends of His providence.” - John Adams, First Inaugural


22 posted on 11/29/2013 7:53:48 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: bigheadfred

If we shoot the messenger, who will deliver the message?


23 posted on 11/29/2013 7:54:00 AM PST by Laslo Fripp (The Sybil of Free Republic)
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To: Born to Conserve
Nature will take care of the third world poor. One bad growing season will sort things out.

Nature, as in God?

24 posted on 11/29/2013 7:54:05 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Salvation

Did I read the entire document? He didn’t write it.

Have you ever listened to him speak? The man is a verbally wandering and inarticulate boob. I sincerely doubt he could have written the Apostolic Exhortation by himself.

What we have in the White House we now have in the Vatican - a puppet controlled by evil men.


25 posted on 11/29/2013 7:54:38 AM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
Auction off the Vatican art treasures in London and New York and give the money to the poor around the world.

I am always amused by this proposal. Who would BUY the Vatican's "treasures"? Some billionaire, of course. Would this billionaire make the treasures available for viewing by the public, as the Vatican does?

And the moment Mr. Billionaire bought the stuff, wouldn't the cries start immediately: "Mr. Gotrocks should sell the treasures he bought from the Vatican, and give the money to the poor!"

And suppose Mr. Warbucks buys the Vatican treasures from Mr. Gotrocks? Well, then. "Mr. Warbucks should sell the treasures he bought from Mr. Gotrocks and give the money to the poor!"

Ad infinitum.

The only solution to the problem created by the existence of treasures like the "Pieta" and the Sistine Chapel is to smash them.

26 posted on 11/29/2013 7:57:53 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: SatinDoll

“Since his coronation, Pope Francis has made waves throughout the Catholic community, often shunning generally accepted Papal tradition for a more modern and progressive world.”

So we know for sure now that this Pope is a collectivist of the Progressive variety. And everything collectivism touches it destroys.

“...turning Catholic dogma on its head by suggesting it’s OK to be gay...”
“Petrus Romanus is to be the final pope, who will oversee not only the destruction of the Catholic Church, but the world as we know it:”

God doesn’t agree at all with homosexuality. We can look at the example of Sodom and Gomorrah as an example. Plus, we can look at the collectivist movements of the 20th century (fascism, nazism, communism, et al) that were mostly led by homosexuals, caused the murder of about 250 million people and untold suffering.

Should we be surprised to see Rome destroyed?


27 posted on 11/29/2013 7:59:12 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

I bet he was thinking of Venezuela.


28 posted on 11/29/2013 8:00:02 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
Then help cover the economic cost by paying real estate taxes on church properties in the U.S. <\i>

The only problem I have with that is, those properties-the bishops' and other church properties-we're largely paid for by parishioners. Just as property taxes would be on those houses--those too, would also be paid for by parishioners, and that's a tax that hits at our ability to worship and freely exercise our First Amendment rights.

As a Catholic, I like this Pope, and consider him to be a holy man, but he knows nothing about economics. It is through the bounties of capitalism that missions are funded throughout the world. The capitalist' economic system has done more to improve the lives of impoverished people than any other system in the world. Replacing it with something more "equitable" will only bring us an equal share of misery.

29 posted on 11/29/2013 8:00:24 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Jack Hydrazine

No. I’m expecting that destruction.


30 posted on 11/29/2013 8:00:58 AM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: yldstrk

But this is a false take on his exhortation. Have you read it? Have you cross-referenced it? Have you read the footnotes?


31 posted on 11/29/2013 8:02:14 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

And the “encyclical” is not an encyclical, it’s an Apostolic Exhortation.

Sloppy. Sloppy. No credibility.

And I say this as someone who has NOT been won over by the new Pope. Not hostile, but not won over.


32 posted on 11/29/2013 8:02:32 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: PubliusMM

Have you ever investigated subsidiarity?


33 posted on 11/29/2013 8:03:06 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SatinDoll

Interesting to see people go insane over a couple of sentences in a 200+ page letter from Pope Francis.

As we watch people fight over toys and TVs on viral videos of Black Friday shopping... is it really a great time to worship consumerism?

Seriously... do you think people that rushed through Thanksgiving Dinner last night to get in line at Macy’s at 6pm have their priorities in order?


34 posted on 11/29/2013 8:03:28 AM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: SatinDoll
The article is really fairly stupid. You don't have to know much Italian to know that "Francesco di Pietro (Peter) di Bernardone" doesn't mean anything like "Peter the Roman". There's nothing like "Romani" in there.

Woo-hoo! So Francis is of Italian descent ... like about 230 of the preceding 263 popes. That's certainly the clincher.

The alleged "Malachy prophecies" are phony anyway; a Renaissance-era forgery intended to influence a Papal election. (They failed, BTW.)

35 posted on 11/29/2013 8:03:44 AM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: SatinDoll

Yes, it was a co-effort with him and Pope Benedict XVI.


36 posted on 11/29/2013 8:04:56 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: bray

The teaching of the Church has always been that the Grace of Christ is the only path to salvation. Please see... Luke 23:32-43


37 posted on 11/29/2013 8:05:39 AM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: SatinDoll

Hopefully you took YOUR meds this morning.


38 posted on 11/29/2013 8:05:45 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SatinDoll

http://www.freerepublic.com/~satindoll/

Nothing to nothing.


39 posted on 11/29/2013 8:06:49 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Pope Benedict XVI wrote the parts against capitalism?
I find that impossible to believe.


40 posted on 11/29/2013 8:07:50 AM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Arthur McGowan

I know that and have posted the word exhortation on this thread. I was referring to how everyone dissed Benedict’s encyclicals when they first came out.


41 posted on 11/29/2013 8:08:18 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SatinDoll

Not many are until after it happens.


42 posted on 11/29/2013 8:10:18 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Arthur McGowan
I certainly hope the "solution" you proposed is never enacted, but you raise some excellent points. The "treasures" that exist in the Vatican are priceless to the point of having no market value. What price can be placed on church relics that hold meaning to believers? How does one scrape the frescoes from the walls and ceiling of the Sistine Chapel? What does one do with a sculpted altar from Bernini?

Most importantly, once a full-scale liquidation is complete, and 10 billion, or 100 billion is raised, and even distributed, what do you have left? More importantly, what was accomplished?

43 posted on 11/29/2013 8:13:05 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Salvation

Salvation,

how come this particular pope supposedly constantly gets taken out of context? Benedict didn’t. I am sick of this scenario: pope Francis says something stupid that he didn’t think through the implications of, then has to correct it. How about he shuts up and gets an education and then speaks?


44 posted on 11/29/2013 8:13:42 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Benedict got taken out of context too.

Probably the media does not want people to care for the poor would be my best bet.


45 posted on 11/29/2013 8:16:07 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: yldstrk

What he wrote (or had written for him):

“54. In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting. To sustain a lifestyle which excludes others, or to sustain enthusiasm for that selfish ideal, a globalization of indifference has developed. Almost without being aware of it, we end up being incapable of feeling compassion at the outcry of the poor, weeping for other people’s pain, and feeling a need to help them, as though all this were someone else’s responsibility and not our own. The culture of prosperity deadens us; we are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase; and in the meantime all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move us.

No to the new idolatry of money

55. One cause of this situation is found in our relationship with money, since we calmly accept its dominion over ourselves and our societies. The current financial crisis can make us overlook the fact that it originated in a profound human crisis: the denial of the primacy of the human person! We have created new idols. The worship of the ancient golden calf (cf. Ex 32:1-35) has returned in a new and ruthless guise in the idolatry of money and the dictatorship of an impersonal economy lacking a truly human purpose. The worldwide crisis affecting finance and the economy lays bare their imbalances and, above all, their lack of real concern for human beings; man is reduced to one of his needs alone: consumption.

56. While the earnings of a minority are growing exponentially, so too is the gap separating the majority from the prosperity enjoyed by those happy few. This imbalance is the result of ideologies which defend the absolute autonomy of the marketplace and financial speculation. Consequently, they reject the right of states, charged with vigilance for the common good, to exercise any form of control. A new tyranny is thus born, invisible and often virtual, which unilaterally and relentlessly imposes its own laws and rules. Debt and the accumulation of interest also make it difficult for countries to realize the potential of their own economies and keep citizens from enjoying their real purchasing power. To all this we can add widespread corruption and self-serving tax evasion, which have taken on worldwide dimensions. The thirst for power and possessions knows no limits. In this system, which tends to devour everything which stands in the way of increased profits, whatever is fragile, like the environment, is defenseless before the interests of a deified market, which become the only rule... With this in mind, I encourage financial experts and political leaders to ponder the words of one of the sages of antiquity: “Not to share one’s wealth with the poor is to steal from them and to take away their livelihood. It is not our own goods which we hold, but theirs”.

” Welfare projects, which meet certain urgent needs, should be considered merely temporary responses...We can no longer trust in the unseen forces and the invisible hand of the market. Growth in justice requires more than economic growth, while presupposing such growth: it requires decisions, programmes, mechanisms and processes specifically geared to a better distribution of income, the creation of sources of employment and an integral promotion of the poor which goes beyond a simple welfare mentality. I am far from proposing an irresponsible populism, but the economy can no longer turn to remedies that are a new poison, such as attempting to increase profits by reducing the work force and thereby adding to the ranks of the excluded.

205. I ask God to give us more politicians capable of sincere and effective dialogue aimed at healing the deepest roots – and not simply the appearances – of the evils in our world! Politics, though often denigrated, remains a lofty vocation and one of the highest forms of charity, inasmuch as it seeks the common good.[174] We need to be convinced that charity “is the principle not only of micro-relationships (with friends, with family members or within small groups) but also of macro-relationships (social, economic and political ones)”.[175] I beg the Lord to grant us more politicians who are genuinely disturbed by the state of society, the people, the lives of the poor! It is vital that government leaders and financial leaders take heed and broaden their horizons, working to ensure that all citizens have dignified work, education and healthcare...

... Indeed, it is becoming increasingly difficult to find local solutions for enormous global problems which overwhelm local politics with difficulties to resolve. If we really want to achieve a healthy world economy, what is needed at this juncture of history is a more efficient way of interacting which, with due regard for the sovereignty of each nation, ensures the economic well-being of all countries, not just of a few.”

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html


I think this analysis covers the new Pope well:

“Compassionate fellow-feeling, however, can soon become self-indulgent and lead to spiritual pride. It imparts an inner glow, like a shot of whiskey on a cold day, but like whiskey it can prevent the clear-headedness which we need at least as much as we need warmth of heart. Pascal said that the beginning of morality was to think well; generosity of spirit is not enough...

...By elevating feeling over thought, by making compassion the measure of all things, the Pope was able to evade the complexities of the situation, in effect indulging in one of the characteristic vices of our time, moral exhibitionism, which is the espousal of generous sentiment without the pain of having to think of the costs to other people of the implied (but unstated) morally-appropriate policy.”


46 posted on 11/29/2013 8:20:55 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Mr Rogers

“feelings” = trash unreliable

“thought” = possibility of discerning truth


47 posted on 11/29/2013 8:24:56 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: RichInOC

We don’t even have to go that far, the article relies upon the truly sage-like wisdom of Tom Horn. Yes, the Assembly of God preacher Tom Horn who actually wrote a book about the Catholic Church’s plan to introduce and prepare the way for an alien messiah. That’s right—an alien messiah.

Peter the Roman would obviously be pro alien messiah.

Obviously.

Freegards


48 posted on 11/29/2013 8:26:55 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: James C. Bennett

“Nature, as in God?”

No, nor ‘nature’ as in aliens, nor ‘nature’ as in intelligent pigs, nor ‘nature’ as in stale sandwiches.

‘Nature’, as in nature. That’s why I chose the word ‘nature’; it means nature, which is just what I needed a word to mean.


49 posted on 11/29/2013 8:29:43 AM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: Salvation
The author is whacko. I can’t read past the third word in this article.

“coronation???”

A Pope is installed at a Mass. There is no coronation to it.

I urge you to review the dictionary
meaning for "coronation".

It's use is apt.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
50 posted on 11/29/2013 8:31:55 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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