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12 Days of Christmas to Christ
LDS Living Magazine ^ | December 6, 2012 | Erin Jones

Posted on 12/01/2013 1:56:53 PM PST by greyfoxx39

Edited on 12/01/2013 2:52:59 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Four calling birds? A partridge in a pear tree? No one is sure exactly what the twelve gifts in the “The Twelve Days of Christmas” represent, but there have been several theories. One interesting claim is that the song was written to help young Catholics learn their faith. In this interpretation, each Christmas gift represents something connected to the gospel of Jesus Christ. Looking at the song this way helps families focus on the true meaning of Christmas. We've taken this tradition and added a little bit of an LDS spin to it.

On each of the twelve days leading up to Christmas, you and your family can take a closer look at each of the Christmas gifts from the song. Use the following interpretations and lesson ideas as a jumping off point for relating the twelve gifts to Christ:

A partridge in a pear tree: The partridge could represent Jesus, who said He would shelter his chicks under his wings, similar to what a mother partridge does (see Luke 13:34). Tell family members to make a

list of Jesus’s qualities and personality traits (compassionate, forgiving, powerful, etc.). Adults and older children can find scriptures in the topical guide that correspond with each of these characteristics.

Two turtle doves: These have been thought to represent the Old and New Testaments, but they could also represent the Bible and the Book of Mormon. Talk with your family about how all scripture works together to testify of Christ. Have each family member find a scripture in each of the standard works that testifies of Christ.

Three French hens: These can represent the three kings bearing gifts, or they could stand for the three Christlike attributes of faith, hope, and charity. Read 1 Corinthians 13:13 and Moroni 10:20-23. Set goals of what you could do as a family or as individuals to better develop one of these attributes.

Four calling birds: These represent the four gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John), because each of these disciples call out to the world through their testimonies of Jesus Christ. Look up “Gospels” in the Bible Dictionary; look at the chart that depicts harmony in the gospels and notice how several of these four men testified of some of the same events from Christ’s life. Talk about the principle of having more than one witness, found in 2 Corinthians 13:1 and Ether 5:4.

Five golden rings: These symbolize the first five books of the Old Testament (known in some religions as the Torah or the Pentateuch). Talk about how Christ led Moses and the children of Israel to the promised land and especially discuss the many miracles that happened along the way. Discuss other miracles that Christ performed and look up corresponding scriptures. You can also talk about miracles you have experienced in your own lives.

Six geese a-laying: These stand for the six days it took Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ to create the Earth. Read the account in Genesis 1. Have younger children draw pictures of the creation.

Seven swans a-swimming: These represent the seven gifts of the spirit, although in LDS tradition there are many more than seven. Make a list of spiritual gifts from Doctrine and Covenants 46:11-33, 1 Corinthians 12:1-12, and Moroni 10:8-18. Try to identify strengths you have and how you can improve upon them.

Eight maids a-milking: These stand for the eight Beatitudes, as taught by Jesus in Matthew 5 and 3 Nephi 12. Have family members make up skits to demonstrate one of the Beatitudes.

Nine ladies dancing: These represent the nine fruits of the spirit found in Galatians 5:22. On a piece of paper folded in the middle, write on one side family members’ ideas of how they feel when the Spirit is present, and on the other side how they feel when the Spirit is not present. Discuss what you could do as a family to have the Spirit dwell in your home.

Ten lords a-leaping: These signify the Ten Commandments, found in Exodus 20 and Mosiah 12-13. Discuss each commandment or draw a picture to represent each one. Have each family member share an experience in which they chose to follow one of the commandments even though it may not have been the easiest choice.

Eleven pipers piping: These symbolize the eleven faithful apostles in Christ’s original church. See if you can name all of them. Talk about who these men were before they were called as apostles: Peter, Andrew, James, and John were fishermen; Matthew was a tax collector. Why did Christ call men from such humble circumstances? How did these men learn and grow through their experiences with Christ?

Twelve drummers drumming: In the original Catholic version, the twelve drummers represent the twelve points of the Apostles' Creed (an early statement of belief accepted by the Catholic Church). For an LDS take, they can represent the twelve living apostles in Christ’s restored church. Look up information about the apostles and prophets on lds.org. Create an apostle memory matching game by making fifteen cards with the apostles’ pictures and fifteen cards with their names; children must match the faces with the names.


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I don't recall any mention of "Advent" in my years of mormonism...but I DO love the ritual of the Advent candle in my Christian church.
1 posted on 12/01/2013 1:56:53 PM PST by greyfoxx39
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2 posted on 12/01/2013 1:58:15 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (We can thank Mitt Romney for the present situation in our country. His feet are made of clay.)
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the symbolism of geese, dancing ladies, partridge , pear tree etc means nothing. The symbols just make for an entertaining song. Some of the myth surrounding this song is unfortunately not untrue.

But there is truth in that the song relates numbers to things.
8=> 8 beatitudes etc.

The symbology employed does not derive from any thing within the church, bible symbology or any culture, especially English culture. Further , no where in the bible is the symbology employed in this song even remotely used.

Even the symbology of numbers employed in the bible is not employed here, where in Revelation and throughout the bible is much like this:

1: or first— primary, excellence
2: ?
3: trinity
4: whole or universality, or the world
5: a few
6: imperfection....or maybe something short of perfection(7)
7:fullness, perfection, wholeness, totality
8: people saved with Noah
9: ?
10: complete but not fullness, 10 plagues on Egypt, 10 commandments

12:continuity with the chosen people; a fullness
1,000: superlative, immensity


3 posted on 12/01/2013 2:19:21 PM PST by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns.)
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To: RBStealth

correction: the myth surrounding this song is unfortunately not true.


4 posted on 12/01/2013 2:23:38 PM PST by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns.)
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To: greyfoxx39
[Mormon interpretation of Advent]

WHAT??!!??

Yet another Christian thing modified by Mormonism??

Has it NO shame at ALL??

5 posted on 12/01/2013 2:47:10 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RBStealth

How does we know?


6 posted on 12/01/2013 2:47:46 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RBStealth

...the myth surrounding this song is unfortunately not true....

Wiki seems to indicate that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twelve_Days_of_Christmas_(song)


7 posted on 12/01/2013 2:50:23 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
We've taken this tradition and added a little bit of an LDS spin to it.

WWJD?

...joseph...


 
See some differences between GOD's Word and the Joseph Smith's 'translation'
 
 


Color coding explanation:
 
Added stuff... Changed stuff... Rearranged stuff... Removed stuff... 
 *(UNDERLINED stuff is the DISTRACTING reference on every tenth word or so that infuses LDS 'scripture' online.)

 
 
 
 

JOSEPH SMITH—MATTHEW
An extract from the translation of the Bible as revealed to Joseph Smith the Prophet in 1831: Matthew 23: 39 and chapter 24.
Jesus foretells the impending destruction of Jerusalem—He also discourses on the second coming of the Son of Man, and the destruction of the wicked.
1 aFor I say unto you, that ye shall not see me henceforth and know that I am he of whom it is written by the prophets, until ye shall say: Blessed is he who bcometh in the name of the Lord, in the clouds of heaven, and all the holy angels with him. Then understood his disciples that he should come again on the earth, after that he was glorified and ccrowned on the right hand of God.
2 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple; and his disciples came to him, for to ahear him, saying: Master, show us concerning the buildings of the temple, as thou hast said—They shall be thrown down, and left unto you desolate.
3 And Jesus said unto them: See ye not all these things, and do ye not understand them? Verily I say unto you, there shall not be left here, upon this temple, one astone upon another that shall not be thrown down.
4 And Jesus left them, and went upon the Mount of Olives. And as he sat upon the Mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying: Tell us when shall these things be which thou hast said concerning the destruction of the temple, and the Jews; and what is the asign of thy bcoming, and of the cend of the world, or the destruction of the dwicked, which is the end of the world?
5 And Jesus answered, and said unto them: Take heed that no man deceive you;
6 For many shall come in my name, saying—I am aChrist—and shall deceive many;
7 Then shall they deliver you up to be aafflicted, and shall kill you, and ye shall be bhated of all nations, for my name’s sake;
8 And then shall many be aoffended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another;
9 And many afalse prophets shall arise, and shall deceive many;
10 And because iniquity shall abound, the alove of many shall wax cold;
11 But he that remaineth asteadfast and is not overcome, the same shall be saved.
12 When you, therefore, shall see the aabomination of bdesolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, concerning the destruction of cJerusalem, then you shall stand in the dholy place; whoso readeth let him understand.
13 Then let them who are in Judea flee into the amountains;
14 Let him who is on the housetop flee, and not return to take anything out of his house;
15 Neither let him who is in the field return back to take his clothes;
16 And wo unto them that are with achild, and unto them that give suck in those days;
17 Therefore, pray ye the Lord that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day;
18 For then, in those days, shall be great atribulation on the bJews, and upon the inhabitants of cJerusalem, such as was not before sent upon Israel, of God, since the beginning of their kingdom until this time; no, nor ever shall be sent again upon Israel.
19 All things which have befallen them are only the beginning of the sorrows which shall come upon them.
20 And except those days should be shortened, there should none of their flesh be asaved; but for the elect’s sake, according to the bcovenant, those days shall be shortened.
21 Behold, these things I have spoken unto you concerning the Jews; and again, after the tribulation of those days which shall come upon Jerusalem, if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there, believe him not;
22 For in those days there shall also arise false aChrists, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch, that, if possible, they shall deceive the very elect, who are the elect according to the covenant.
23 Behold, I speak these things unto you for the aelect’s sake; and you also shall hear of bwars, and rumors of wars; see that ye be not troubled, for all I have told you must come to pass; but the end is not yet.
24 Behold, I have told you before;
25 Wherefore, if they shall say unto you: Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: Behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not;
26 For as the light of the morning cometh out of the aeast, and shineth even unto the west, and covereth the whole earth, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.
27 And now I show unto you a parable. Behold, wheresoever the acarcass is, there will the eagles be bgathered together; so likewise shall mine elect be gathered from the four quarters of the earth.
28 And they shall hear of wars, and rumors of wars.
29 Behold I speak for mine elect’s sake; for nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there shall be afamines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
30 And again, because iniquity shall abound, the love of men shall wax acold; but he that shall not be overcome, the same shall be saved.
31 And again, this aGospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world, for a witness unto all bnations, and then shall the end come, or the destruction of the wicked;
32 And again shall the aabomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, be fulfilled.
33 And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the asun shall be bdarkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the cstars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
34 Verily, I say unto you, this ageneration, in which these things shall be shown forth, shall not pass away until all I have told you shall be fulfilled.
35 Although, the days will come, that heaven and earth shall pass away; yet my awords shall not pass away, but all shall be fulfilled.
36 And, as I said before, after the atribulation of those days, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken, then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven, and then shall all the tribes of the earth bmourn; and they shall see the cSon of Man dcoming in the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory;
37 And whoso atreasureth up my word, shall not be deceived, for the Son of Man shall bcome, and he shall send his cangels before him with the great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together the dremainder of his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
38 Now learn a parable of the afig-tree—When its branches are yet tender, and it begins to put forth leaves, you know that summer is nigh at hand;
39 So likewise, mine elect, when they shall see all these things, they shall know that he is near, even at the doors;
40 But of that day, and hour, no one aknoweth; no, not the angels of God in heaven, but my Father only.
41 But as it was in the days of aNoah, so it shall be also at the coming of the Son of Man;
42 For it shall be with them, as it was in the days which were before the aflood; for until the day that Noah entered into the ark they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage;
43 And aknew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.
44 Then shall be fulfilled that which is written, that in the alast days, two shall be in the field, the one shall be taken, and the other bleft;
45 Two shall be grinding at the mill, the one shall be taken, and the other left;
46 And what I say unto one, I say unto all men; awatch, therefore, for you know not at what hour your Lord doth come.
47 But know this, if the good man of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to have been broken up, but would have been ready.
48 Therefore be ye also aready, for in such an hour as ye think not, the Son of Man cometh.
49 Who, then, is a afaithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
50 Blessed is that aservant whom his lord, when he cometh, shall find so doing; and verily I say unto you, he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
51 But if that evil servant shall say in his heart: My lord adelayeth his coming,
52 And shall begin to smite his fellow-servants, and to eat and drink with the drunken,
53 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
54 And shall cut him asunder, and shall appoint him his portion with the hypocrites; there shall be weeping and agnashing of teeth.
55 And thus cometh the aend of the wicked, according to the prophecy of Moses, saying: They shall be cut off from among the people; but the end of the earth is not yet, but by and by.

KJV Matthew 23:38-39 24:1-51
39. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

1. And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4. And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8. All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16. Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17. Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18. Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20. But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25. Behold, I have told you before.
26. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32. Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33. So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39. And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46. Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49. And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50. The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51. And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
King James Version of the Holy Bible
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8 posted on 12/01/2013 2:52:29 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Would someone out there please do a Mormon Twelve Days of Smithmas where the enumerated items are: cureloms, handcarts, Lamanites, stake presidents, apostles, temple recommends, prairie dresses, locust-eating seagulls, etc.?


9 posted on 12/01/2013 2:55:00 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: RBStealth

1 Partridge in a Pear Tree = Jesus Christ
2 Turtle Doves = The Old and New Testaments, two natures of Christ
3 French Hens = Faith, Hope and Charity, the Theological Virtues, the Trinity
4 Calling Birds = the Four Gospels and/or the Four Evangelists
5 Golden Rings = The first Five Books of the Old Testament, the “Pentateuch”, which gives the history of man’s fall from grace.
6 Geese A-laying = the six days of creation
7 Swans A-swimming = the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit, the seven sacraments
8 Maids A-milking = the eight Beatitudes
9 Ladies Dancing = the nine Fruits of the Holy Spirit
10 Lords A-leaping = the Ten Commandments
11 Pipers Piping = the eleven faithful Apostles
12 Drummers Drumming = the twelve points of doctrine in the Apostle’s Creed


10 posted on 12/01/2013 3:08:50 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

are you obtuse?


11 posted on 12/01/2013 3:14:45 PM PST by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns.)
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To: Salvation

Ye HYPOCRITES, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying, ‘This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouths, and honoreth me with their lips; but THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME. But IN VAIN do they WORSHIP me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of MEN” (Matt. 15:7-9).

Christ mass is an abomination with its pagan histories...if any day businesses should be open so believers can buy and sell, it is December 25....


12 posted on 12/01/2013 3:26:19 PM PST by delchiante
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To: RBStealth

Just pointing out the Catholic meanings even though some may think it is not true.

When posting the daily threads it is amazing how may English martyrs/saints there are — even today, Edmund Campion who died at the hand of Elizabeth I.


13 posted on 12/01/2013 3:45:02 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I suggest you read up on this and quit sending the summation of whats in the article to other people.

None of the 12 days of Christmas song, as I stated earlier, has anything to do with accepted symbology or numerology, especially as it concerns the Bible and Catholicism.

look up ‘12 days of christmas myth’


14 posted on 12/01/2013 3:47:24 PM PST by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns.)
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To: elcid1970
Your prayer's answer was on it's way before you asked it!


From a fellow Inman Zakeet...a revised advent list:

“I revised your advent. Please feel to distribute widely and use as you deem appropriate.”


A prophet in a pear tree: Represents Joseph sitting on his roost, continuously squawking and crapping on everything

Two plates a-peeping: What happened after the evil Ms. Harrison kept the 116 missing pages

Three phony banknotes: Represents the two dollar, three dollar and five dollar bills issued by the Kirtland Safety Society, each one just as valuable as the boxes of dirt in the bank’s vault that backed them

Four sacred symbols: Represents the masonic symbols sewn into the magic long johns that was given to Adam and Eve upon their expulsion from the Garden of Eden, a replica of which must now be worn by Saints in order to keep the boogie man away

Five golden rackets: Represents the five main sources of ongoing church loot - 1) finance companies, 2) real estate development (hotels and shopping malls), 3) agriculture (potato farming, pineapple growing, nut orchards and cattle ranching), 4) publishing, and 5) the tithe

Six Saints a-lying: Represents a key doctrine of a-laying for the lord

Seven Saints a-swimming: Represents the minimum number times a good Saint should be dunked for dead relatives, every year

Eight Saints a-milking: Represents the milking the flock gets when they cough up vast amounts of booty every week to church coffers in order to buy their place in heaven

Nine visions dancing: Represents the number of different versions of the First Vision, providing that you exclude Mark Hofmann’s Salamander Letter

Tense lords a-leaping: Represents the early church presidents doing the holy bed hop with their plural wives as commanded by their sacred ever-changing scriptures

Eleven pipers piping: Represents the size of Joseph’s harem after you multiply it by three, or the size of Wilford Woodruff’s harem after you multiply it by one (he wasn’t as studly a prophet), or the size of Brigham Young’s harem after you multiply it by 1.5 (he was somewhere in between)

Twelve drummers drumming: Represents what the LDS presidents did while bed hopping”

15 posted on 12/01/2013 3:56:17 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: elcid1970
...Would someone out there please do a Mormon Twelve Days of Smithmas where the enumerated items are...

I prophecy that this is going to be a FUN thread!




For NON-Mormons anyway...





16 posted on 12/01/2013 3:58:00 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RBStealth
But there is truth in that the song relates numbers to things. 8=> 8 beatitudes etc...9:?

Some only count 8 beatitudes...but if you look @ Matthew 5:3-11 closely, there are 9 "blessed are the..."

9 beatitudes

17 posted on 12/01/2013 5:22:16 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: RBStealth; RichInOC; Prince of Space; JoeFromSidney; TNMountainMan; alphadog; infool7; ...

1 Partridge in a Pear Tree = Jesus Christ
2 Turtle Doves = The Old and New Testaments, two natures of Christ
3 French Hens = Faith, Hope and Charity, the Theological Virtues, the Trinity
4 Calling Birds = the Four Gospels and/or the Four Evangelists
5 Golden Rings = The first Five Books of the Old Testament, the “Pentateuch”, which gives the history of man’s fall from grace.
6 Geese A-laying = the six days of creation
7 Swans A-swimming = the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit, the seven sacraments
8 Maids A-milking = the eight Beatitudes
9 Ladies Dancing = the nine Fruits of the Holy Spirit
10 Lords A-leaping = the Ten Commandments
11 Pipers Piping = the eleven faithful Apostles
12 Drummers Drumming = the twelve points of doctrine in the Apostle’s Creed


18 posted on 12/01/2013 5:26:30 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: narses

Thanks!


19 posted on 12/01/2013 5:29:21 PM PST by jocon307
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To: greyfoxx39; RBStealth; elcid1970; Elsie; All
From the Mormon article:

"For an LDS take, they can represent the twelve living apostles in Christ’s restored church."

These kind of Mormon-authored numbering system only reveals that even Mormons don't even believe their own press!

What do I mean?

Well, the Mormon claim is that the Mormon jesus appeared in either central or South America and set up another 12 apostles there!

Hence, per the Mormon view of history, this would mean that when the apostles replaced Judas, and then when the apostle Paul joined the ranks, that meant up to 25 apostles were living simultaneously!

Yet in the Mormon Church...do their leaders have a Quorum of 25 "apostles" (or 23-24)? Nope!!!!

Here, the Mormon church makes a rather audacious claim to be a "restoration" of the "original" Church at the time of Jesus Christ...Yet they somehow believe those dozen "apostles" that the Mormon jesus assigned in "the Americas" apparently don't even count in their numbering system.

Just more proof that Mormons don't e'en take their very own history seriously/literally! Tis just another toward-the-South-Pole fairy tale!

20 posted on 12/01/2013 5:30:31 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: narses
8 Maids A-milking = the eight Beatitudes

Again, there are 9 "blessed are the..." in Matthew 5:3-11...

21 posted on 12/01/2013 5:31:23 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: narses
9 Ladies Dancing = the nine Fruits of the Holy Spirit

Getting technical here, but in this NT passage "fruit" is not plural, but singular ("fruit")...

We could say that the ONE Holy Spirit emits nine dimensions (fruit)...

22 posted on 12/01/2013 5:33:03 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: greyfoxx39

There is nothing that mormonism does not eventually distort.


23 posted on 12/01/2013 5:34:56 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: Colofornian

The Beatitudes*

3“Blessed are the poor in spirit,*

for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.a

4* Blessed are they who mourn,b

for they will be comforted.

5* Blessed are the meek,c

for they will inherit the land.

6Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,*

for they will be satisfied.

7Blessed are the merciful,

for they will be shown mercy.d

8* Blessed are the clean of heart,e

for they will see God.

9Blessed are the peacemakers,

for they will be called children of God.

10Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,*

for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.f


24 posted on 12/01/2013 5:37:09 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: delchiante

A day set aside to celebrate the birth of the Christ child is not an abomination.

The day was chosen to be near the pagan celebrations as it was to give Christians a place to celebrate.

All of the people I know who spout your anger, are ones that dislike buying presents and nothing more (but couch it in something else to sound pius).


25 posted on 12/01/2013 5:39:28 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: RBStealth; Salvation

Religious historians say:

The Twelve Days of Christmas

Recently groups like Snopes.com have tried to debunk the information below. This story has been told for a long time, anecdotally. Therefore, it is to be taken as historical, not theological. We do not know for certain that Roman Catholics at the time of their persecution in England used the carol “The Twelve Days of Christmas” as a type of catechism, but we do know for a long time it was believed that they did.

The Meaning Behind The Song

The twelve days of Christmas are the twelve days between Christmas Day, Dec. 25th, the birth of Jesus, and the Epiphany, Jan. 6th, the day Christians celebrate the arrival of the Magi (Wise Men) and the revelation of Christ as the light of the world.
The Christmas song, “The Twelve Days of Christmas” may sound silly and contrived to many of us. But it actually had its origins in religious symbolism - and with a serious purpose.
It dates from a time of religious persecution. The song, “The Twelve Days of Christmas,” was written as a kind of secret catechism that could sing in public without fear of arrest - a learning or memory aid to Christians in fact.
The song can be taken at two levels of interpretation - the surface meaning, or the hidden meaning known only to the Christians involved. Each element is a code word for a religious truth.

1. The partridge in a pear tree is Jesus.
2. The two turtledoves are the Old and New Testaments.
3. Three French hens stand for faith, hope and love.
4. The four calling birds are the four Gospels.
5. The five gold rings recall the Hebrew Torah (Law), or the Pentateuch, the first five books of the Old Testament.
6. The six geese a-laying stand for the six days of creation.
7. The seven swans a-swimming represent the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit.
8. The eight maids a-milking are the eight Beatitudes.
9. Nine ladies dancing are the nine fruits of the Holy Spirit.
10. The ten lords a-leaping are the Ten Commandments.
11. Eleven pipers piping represent the eleven faithful Apostles.
12. Twelve drummers drumming symbolize the twelve points of doctrine in the Apostles Creed.

pssst Really glad you got your information of the ‘myth’ from snopes (liberal) or was it history debunked (anti-Christian) sites.

The song has been around since 1780, it would have been better for you to say “no one really knows the meaning’.


26 posted on 12/01/2013 5:45:33 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: elcid1970

OOOOOOOOOOOOO

U bad...


27 posted on 12/01/2013 5:46:42 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Salvation
You forgot verse 11:

11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.

The way many Bibles are formatted, they have not included v. 11 in verse format...

But the original Greek knows of no such formatting.

28 posted on 12/01/2013 5:47:07 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Salvation

7 Swans A-swimming = the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit, the seven sacraments
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or the Seven Stations of the Cross


29 posted on 12/01/2013 5:49:09 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: delchiante

WOW

are you going to say that to the pagan Mormons ???


30 posted on 12/01/2013 5:50:59 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: narses

1 Partridge in a Pear Tree = Jesus Christ
2 Turtle Doves = The Old and New Testaments, two natures of Christ
3 French Hens = Faith, Hope and Charity, the Theological Virtues, the Trinity
4 Calling Birds = the Four Gospels and/or the Four Evangelists
5 Golden Rings = The first Five Books of the Old Testament, the “Pentateuch”, which gives the history of man’s fall from grace.
6 Geese A-laying = the six days of creation
7 Swans A-swimming = the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit, the seven sacraments
8 Maids A-milking = the eight Beatitudes
9 Ladies Dancing = the nine Fruits of the Holy Spirit
10 Lords A-leaping = the Ten Commandments
11 Pipers Piping = the eleven faithful Apostles
12 Drummers Drumming = the twelve points of doctrine in the Apostle’s Creed


31 posted on 12/01/2013 5:53:05 PM PST by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns.)
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To: Salvation

Well Mary the older sister of Elizabeth was a Catholic and queen for just 5 years 1553-1558 and managed to murder at least 300 Protestants, many by fire..


32 posted on 12/01/2013 5:54:26 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: svcw

I’ve read everything on this song.
Took note of your message but didnt read it.
Good luck


33 posted on 12/01/2013 5:54:40 PM PST by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns.)
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To: Colofornian

For an LDS take, they can represent the twelve living apostles in Christ’s restored church.”
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and what about John the Baptist and the three ???ite children still living underground in the North Pole ???

should they get an honorable mention and a verse of their own ???


34 posted on 12/01/2013 5:57:30 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

Aren’t there 14 Stations of the Cross?


36 posted on 12/01/2013 5:59:11 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Colofornian

11Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you [falsely] because of me.g

I thought I got it, but I guess I didn’t.


37 posted on 12/01/2013 6:00:55 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Colofornian; narses

8 Maids A-milking = the eight Beatitudes

Again, there are 9 “blessed are the...” in Matthew 5:3-11...
____________________________________________

but only 8 are recognized...

the Huguenot cross...(Protestant)...from the 1600s..known as the Cross of Languedoc..has 8 Beatitudes represented...

“The insignia consists of an open four-petal Lily of France — reminiscent of the Mother Country of France — in which each petal radiates outward in the shape of a “V” to form a Maltese Cross. The four petals signify the Four Gospels. Each petal, or arm, has at its outside periphery two rounded points at the corners. These rounded points are regarded as signifying the Eight Beatitudes.”

and further...

“The four petals are joined together by four fleur-de-lis, also reminiscent of the Mother Country of France. Each fleur-de-lis has has three petals. The twelve petals of the four fleur-de-lis signify the Twelve Apostles.”


38 posted on 12/01/2013 6:09:50 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Salvation

are there ???

probably

for some reason I thought 7

could be 14

sorry


39 posted on 12/01/2013 6:12:04 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: teppe

Yeaaaaaaa

youre here at last !!!

Hey hey !!!

Im tanned and rested and ready to beat up on the po lil victims/mormons boys..

you continue to beat up on the LORD Jesus Christ who is God and ever has been..

The Holy Three in One..

and I’ll beat up on your sorry pagan beliefs...

and we’ll see who whines like a girl first

:)


40 posted on 12/01/2013 6:18:15 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: teppe; Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla; fishtank; ...

BTW I’ll PING these worthy ladies and gentlemen to #35 for you..

“Ping! Colofornian, Elsie, svcw, Zakeet, Tenessee nana, aMorePerfectUnion, Godzilla, fishtank, metmom....”


41 posted on 12/01/2013 6:21:17 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: teppe

“a God fearing peoples fervent desire to worship Christ.”

Which of the 4 mormonic a Earth a Gods are you referencing teppe? Or are you referring to one of the millions of mormonic gods that gather at kolob beach over spring break every year?


42 posted on 12/01/2013 6:37:57 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (I grew up in America. I now live in the United States..)
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To: teppe

Praise To The Man, & a Merry Smithmas to all!

Hie thee to Kolob, now!

;^)


43 posted on 12/01/2013 6:39:28 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: svcw

Man made holy days in secular humanist countries are just that. Secular human festivals... nothing scriptual but certainly traditional and predate the birth of my Messiah... I remember reading somewhere about warning us about the traditions of men.....


44 posted on 12/01/2013 6:49:17 PM PST by delchiante
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To: teppe
That would be godS fearing for you.
45 posted on 12/01/2013 6:52:00 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: Tennessee Nana

This is what I will say. if statues of Mary scream ‘idolatry’ from lots of church denominations, but those same screaming will add a man statue and a baby and call it a ‘nativity scene’..... it is no less idolatry...

If December 25th were a date set by God(which it isn’t) to remember the birth of Messiah( which we are not commanded to do) the world would have nothing to do with it. After all, God has commanded one day in seven — the Lord’s Day — to worship Him. Does the world observe it? Not the way it is laid out in Scripture...
the world loves Christmas, but hates the Messiah. Shouldn’t a believer be just a little suspicious of that?
This is not many years in the making... I have only had this view since the beginning of 2013...I have been living by faith for almost two years and I asked, sought and knocked and it has opened my eyes, changed my worship and has allowed me more freedom than this world or this secular humanist country could ever give you...
When truth is revealed, why would I ever want to knowingly do what He commands us not to do?

We all need more mercy and grace than we can even know.I lived in my own wilderness..and I am trying to repent from vain worship or idol worship and seeking to follow the commandments of God over the traditions of men..
And if I am called a Scrooge for not bowing to secular humanist gods, I count that as joy....

It is tough to buy or sell on December 25th but I will find some places .... it isn’t completely mandated that this country be closed on the man made holy day so no one can buy or sell.... a little less than turkey/football/shopping day though....


46 posted on 12/01/2013 7:48:21 PM PST by delchiante
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To: delchiante

statues of Mary scream ‘idolatry’
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How do feel about the Mormons and their refusal to honor the cross of the LORD Jesus Christ but they place gold painted statues of a ficticous “angel” on top of their religious buildings ???

and statues of Joey Smith the false prophet ala Mohammad inside their religious buildings ???

speaking of “nativity scenes”..

no problemo...

the Mormons dont honor God on Dec 25...

oh no...

its the Mormon savior Joey Smith as a baby in a cradle in a cabin...on Dec 23 his birthdate...

“mormon savior Joey Smith” ???

Yeppers...

The Mormon koran states that nobody gets into the mormon afterlife unless Joey Smith says they can..

“the mormin koran” ???

they call it the book of mormon...

Its as truthful as the koran and also written by a false prophet who rejected the LORD Jesus Christ as God ...


47 posted on 12/01/2013 7:59:25 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: teppe
Bring the popcorn and let the slander begin!

Ah... the Christmas season.

A time when the smell of pine enterers our Christian homes and faint whiffs of brimstone can be detected by SLC Mormons...


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

48 posted on 12/01/2013 8:08:31 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana

My point is we have all fallen short... and far far shorter than we think... the churches aren’t purer, they are dirtier with time... Satan has played in each and every one... and continues... and he owns this country.. there were actually times in this country that christmas trees and the celebration of Christmas were illegal... because those believer believed the word of God...


49 posted on 12/01/2013 8:19:01 PM PST by delchiante
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To: Tennessee Nana
Well Mary the older sister of Elizabeth was a Catholic and queen for just 5 years 1553-1558 and managed to murder at least 300 Protestants, many by fire..

Well, they don't count as "English martyrs/saints" to some folks. The crimes of "Bloody Mary" get swept under the royal rug, doncha know!

50 posted on 12/01/2013 10:23:45 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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