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Jewish activists want to pray on Jerusalem's Temple Mount, raising alarm in Muslim world
The Washington Post ^ | December 2, 2013 | William Booth and Ruth Eglash

Posted on 12/03/2013 2:28:36 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

JERUSALEM — A small but growing movement by Jewish activists demanding the right to pray at the site of their destroyed temple, in the heart of this disputed capital’s Old City, is creating a potentially explosive clash with the Muslim world, which considers the spot holy and bans Jews from public worship there.

Each week, hundreds of Jews ascend the creaky wooden ramp built above the Western Wall and enter what is often called the most contested real estate on Earth. Many then embark upon a game of hide-and-seek with their police escorts — whispering forbidden prayers while pretending to talk into cellphones, and getting in quick but banned bows by dropping coins and then bending to pick them up.

Their proposals, long dismissed as extremist, are now being debated in the Israeli parliament and embraced by an expansionist wing in the ruling coalition government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

These political leaders, many in Netanyahu’s party, want Israel to assert more, not less, control over the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Old City, including the place known to Jews as the Temple Mount and to Muslims as Haram al-Sharif, or the Noble Sanctuary.

“We’re looking for it to be divided between Jews and Muslims,” said Aviad Visoli, chairman of the Temple Mount Organizations, which claims 27 groups under its umbrella. “Today, Jews realize the Western Wall is not enough. They want to go to the real thing.”(continued)

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TOPICS: Islam; Judaism; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: armageddon; islam; israel; jerusalem; judaism; muslims; temple; templemount

1 posted on 12/03/2013 2:28:36 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I can’t understand or fathom this, it all seems so petty, and ridiculous that Muslims and Jews cannot both pray on the temple mount.


2 posted on 12/03/2013 2:38:42 AM PST by FreedomStar3028 (Evil must be punished.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Muslims like interfaith cooperation in Western countries where they are the minority but one sees their true colors in how they react to Jews worshipping in Jerusalem at Jewish holy sites.


3 posted on 12/03/2013 2:43:57 AM PST by RginTN
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To: FreedomStar3028

It isn’t complicated to understand this. The Muslims purposely built atop the destroyed temple to show the dominance after conquering Jerusalem. Compare it to dogs marking their fireplug - last one is top dog.


4 posted on 12/03/2013 2:45:02 AM PST by Abby4116
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To: Abby4116

......Yet NOT ONCE is Jerusalem EVER mentioned in the Koran, unlike the Bible in which Jerusalem is mentioned over 600 times.


5 posted on 12/03/2013 3:01:59 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yet that is simply, the temple mount, really under Jewish control.


6 posted on 12/03/2013 3:03:30 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The next time the Jews win a war, they need to hang onto the spoils thereof, and quit trying to be so freaking accommodating.
7 posted on 12/03/2013 3:06:57 AM PST by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: Excellence
The next time the Jews win a war, they need to hang onto the spoils thereof, and quit trying to be so freaking accommodating.

They never will win another war. That is the point of what Obama and Jarrett are doing with Iran. The destruction of the Jewish State -- long the goal of the Muslim world -- is now a primary goal of our own government.

8 posted on 12/03/2013 3:16:49 AM PST by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: montag813

Well you forget that Israel is the SUPERPOWER of the Middle East. They can hand over to their enemies their rear-ends.


9 posted on 12/03/2013 3:22:32 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: montag813

Yet in the end, Obama and Jarett, WILL LOSE, for certain.


10 posted on 12/03/2013 3:23:54 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl
Yet in the end, Obama and Jarett, WILL LOSE, for certain.

They are arming Muslim terrorists with nuclear weapons. It is utter treason, for which any military officer would be imprisoned or executed. But they are doing it nonetheless.

11 posted on 12/03/2013 3:35:59 AM PST by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: montag813

Yet I stand by my position, for even the Muslim terrorists WILL still lose.


12 posted on 12/03/2013 3:47:35 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl
Well you forget that Israel is the SUPERPOWER of the Middle East. They can hand over to their enemies their rear-ends.

All it will take is one dirty nuke to make Israel economically nonviable, by contaminating enough of the central area that it's unhealthy to live and raise children there.

It doesn't even have to explode in Israel. One plane flying off-shore in international waters on a supposed flight to Egypt, detonating a cobalt device when the wind is blowing east, would do the job.

13 posted on 12/03/2013 3:58:21 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: RginTN

Raise the Mosque—rebuild the temple! OR Turn the Mosque into a Museum (Like they did hagia Sophia in Istambul).


14 posted on 12/03/2013 4:00:47 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: PapaBear3625

Sure about that?

I stand by my position. Israel is still a SUPERPOWER in that part of the world.


15 posted on 12/03/2013 4:03:39 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

AMEN.


16 posted on 12/03/2013 4:03:59 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: montag813

You are correct in saying that “they” (as in the Jewish STATE) will “never will win another war.”

Even though the state of Israel takes the credit, ALL their wars have been and will be won by the God who “neither slumbers nor sleeps” as He keeps her.

BTW, this push for access to the temple mount will be a banner the antichrist picks up in his bid for “peace”.


17 posted on 12/03/2013 4:05:30 AM PST by Mrs.Z
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To: Mrs.Z

AMEN!


18 posted on 12/03/2013 4:10:19 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl
Sure about that? I stand by my position. Israel is still a SUPERPOWER in that part of the world.

I agree, Israel is a superpower, as measured by her offensive capabilities.

But she is a superpower with a glass chin, with little ability to keep going if Haifa and Jerusalem become uninhabitable due to fallout.

19 posted on 12/03/2013 5:13:49 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Israel does not have a “glass chin.” No it does not.


20 posted on 12/03/2013 5:31:23 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl
Yet I stand by my position, for even the Muslim terrorists WILL still lose.

Not before most of the Nation of Israel is destroyed...

21 posted on 12/03/2013 6:09:32 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool

Can you cite the Bible source please. Thank-you.


22 posted on 12/03/2013 6:11:01 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“is creating a potentially explosive clash”

Citizens of a nation wanting to do something legal at a holy site in their own country, is *not* “creating a potentially explosive clash”.

If anyone is doing so, it is the people who attack them. Violent aggression is *never* justified by being offended at someone else praying.


23 posted on 12/03/2013 6:22:00 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Last Obamacare Promise: "If You Like Your Eternal Soul, You Can Keep It.")
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To: Biggirl
Can you cite the Bible source please. Thank-you.

Unlike the Catholic religion, that plan is not derived from a single verse but from a plethora of scripture...

The largest single battle with the combined armies of the world will soon take place in Israel...The bible speaks of 2 coming World Wars in Israel...During battle, people will be standing there with the flesh immediatly peeled off their skeletons...Their eye ball will become burned out of their skull before they hit the ground...Some people will get so hungry, they will eat their own children...People will literally go crazy out of fear...

The battlefield will be so huge, it will take 7 years to clear all the dead bodies...

Yet, only a remnant will survive...

24 posted on 12/03/2013 6:47:22 AM PST by Iscool
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
David Builds an Altar 18 On that day Gad went to David and said to him, “Go up and build an altar to the Lord on the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite.” 19 So David went up, as the Lord had commanded through Gad. 20 When Araunah looked and saw the king and his officials coming toward him, he went out and bowed down before the king with his face to the ground. 21 Araunah said, “Why has my lord the king come to his servant?” “To buy your threshing floor,” David answered, “so I can build an altar to the Lord, that the plague on the people may be stopped.” 22 Araunah said to David, “Let my lord the king take whatever he wishes and offer it up. Here are oxen for the burnt offering, and here are threshing sledges and ox yokes for the wood. 23 Your Majesty, Araunah[d] gives all this to the king.” Araunah also said to him, “May the Lord your God accept you.” 24 But the king replied to Araunah, “No, I insist on paying you for it. I will not sacrifice to the Lord my God burnt offerings that cost me nothing.” So David bought the threshing floor and the oxen and paid fifty shekels[e] of silver for them. 25 David built an altar to the Lord there and sacrificed burnt offerings and fellowship offerings. Then the Lord answered his prayer in behalf of the land, and the plague on Israel was stopped.

In any Real Estate transaction there needs to be the Naming of the Parties Involved, A Description of the Property, and the price paid.

Yep...it's all there in the Book of 2 Samuel 24.Since then. all occupation of the Temple Mount has been through conquest, theft, or intimidation. This is the Founding Document, duly recorded. It BELONGS to The Jews.
25 posted on 12/03/2013 6:49:08 AM PST by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: left that other site

AMEN!


26 posted on 12/03/2013 6:53:47 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

And the same can be said about the cave of Machpelah in Hevron.

Signed, Sealed, Delivered, and Duly Recorded.


27 posted on 12/03/2013 7:25:30 AM PST by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: left that other site

Yep, you got it!


28 posted on 12/03/2013 7:26:28 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Iscool
That's what YOU say. This is what GOD says:

I will plant them in their land,
And no longer shall they be pulled up
From the land I have given them,”
Says the Lord your God.
(Amos 9:15)
,
29 posted on 12/03/2013 2:49:29 PM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Former Fetus
That's what YOU say. This is what GOD says: I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them,” Says the Lord your God. (Amos 9:15)

God and I say the same thing...I did NOT say they will all be pulled up from their land...In fact, I didn't say any would be pulled up from their land...

What I was saying is that there will be world wide devastation; first with world war(s) and then with the wrath of God on Earth...And it's centered on Israel...

IF you look, you will see I said there will be a remnant that survive, in their own land...

30 posted on 12/03/2013 4:27:24 PM PST by Iscool
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The issue of whether or not Jews may ascend the Har HaBayit (Temple Mount) in this day and time is very, very complicated and should be left to the Sages to solve rather than politicians.

Since there has been no red heifer for almost two thousand years, most Jews (except the very young) are in a state of ritual impurity from contact with dead bodies. According to the Torah, such people may not enter certain precincts on the Temple Mount. There is disagreement as to whether the location of these precincts is known with certainty today.

By nature and inclination I am a "build the Temple now!" kinda guy. But I have learned that it's much more complicated than that and I am trying to adopt a more Halakhic orientation.

One of the people pushing this is Moshe Feiglin, whom I have long supported (I used to post a lot of his stuff here). However, Moshe is sort of an American-style libertarian who wants religion to be private. What he wants is not so much a Halakhic Torah State as a Jewish version of early America, where orthodox religion is ingrained in the culture to such an extent that state enforcement is not needed. He has even assured homosexuals in Israel that he will respect their "rights." Why someone with this type of secular conservative/privately Orthodox political ideology would advocate Jewish sovereignty over the Temple Mount (which is the very heart and soul of public Torah Theocracy) is beyond me.

31 posted on 12/03/2013 4:48:22 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

As a pro-Jewish, pro-Israel Christian, I am 100% behind those efforts.


32 posted on 12/03/2013 4:50:55 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Of the 4 wars in my lifetime none came about because the US was too strong." Reagan)
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To: Iscool

Sorry, I misinterpreted your post!


33 posted on 12/03/2013 5:24:52 PM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I cannot give an opinion on the Halakhic issue of ascending to the Temple Mount. But I do know one thing, it should not be left up to the Waqf! It is a Jewish issue, to be solved by the religious Jewish authorities.


34 posted on 12/03/2013 5:29:39 PM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Former Fetus

OK.......


35 posted on 12/03/2013 10:45:51 PM PST by Iscool
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