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The Holy Bones of the First Holy Father
Aleteia ^ | 11/27/13 | Fr Dwight Longenecker

Posted on 12/03/2013 6:11:20 AM PST by marshmallow

What sort of religion keeps dead people’s bones, puts them on display, and expects people to kiss them? Catholicism - and it's awesome.

What sort of religion keeps dead people’s bones, puts them on display, and expects people to kiss them? This weekend’s news reminds the world that the veneration of relics is still very much part of the Catholic faith. As a fitting climax to the Year of Faith, Pope Francis put on display for the first time the bones of St. Peter, the first Pope.

The news headlines focused on the sensational, and many journalists asked the obvious questions, often missing the point and skimming over the facts to report superficially. There are some excellent questions that arise from the reports of St. Peter’s bones being produced: What are relics and why are they important to Catholics? Why do Catholics kiss the bones of dead people? Are Catholics really so gullible as to believe in the authenticity of relics (we know they’re fake, right)? Could those bone fragments really be the remains of Peter the Apostle?

A relic is anything associated with a person who has been canonized as a saint or beatified as blessed. There are three categories of relics: a first class relic is some part of the person’s mortal remains. The relic could be a fragment of bone, hair, skin, or blood. The relic is taken when the body of the saint is exhumed as part of the canonization process.

A second class relic is some object or part of an object which was regularly used or worn by the saint during their earthly life. There are many second class relics. These might include the saint’s belongings, clothing, furniture or a part of these things. Second class relics of Pope John Paul II, for example, include.......

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1 posted on 12/03/2013 6:11:20 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
Peter rebuked a guy for bowing down to him...Who could possibly think Peter would be pleased with this idolotry???

If I had Peter's bones, I'd bury then...And not mark the site...

3 posted on 12/03/2013 6:57:30 AM PST by Iscool
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To: marshmallow

Guess what?

There are no relics of Jesus or Mary..........assumed into Heaven


4 posted on 12/03/2013 7:07:13 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Iscool

Elijah’s bones cured people. It’s in the Bible.


5 posted on 12/03/2013 7:11:18 AM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: marshmallow

How much they gonna charge to see them?


6 posted on 12/03/2013 7:11:54 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Campion
Elijah’s bones cured people. It’s in the Bible.

Let us know when someone is healed by touching Peter's bones...It's been 20 Centuries...

7 posted on 12/03/2013 7:14:54 AM PST by Iscool
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To: PoloSec

Holy Cow, Holy Mackerel, Holy Mother, Holy Water,... HOLY HAMBURGERS! Watch out below, here it comes...(or is it already here?)

These are relics, and it is not idolatry. What’s so hard about that?


8 posted on 12/03/2013 7:25:42 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: yldstrk; metmom

There are no relics of Judas either. Using your logic he was assumed into Heaven too!


9 posted on 12/03/2013 7:26:31 AM PST by Gamecock (If you like your constitution, you can keep your constitution. Period. (M.S.))
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To: Salvation
These are relics, and it is not idolatry. What’s so hard about that?

These are relics, and it is not idolatry. What’s so hard about that?

Fixed it for you!

10 posted on 12/03/2013 7:28:20 AM PST by Gamecock (If you like your constitution, you can keep your constitution. Period. (M.S.))
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To: Gamecock

And Judas’ remains would not be saintly, but evil, so they don’t count as relics. You analysis fails. You are wrong.


11 posted on 12/03/2013 7:30:21 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Gamecock

You need to be respectful, you will account to God, there will be a reckoning.


12 posted on 12/03/2013 7:31:21 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Iscool
What sort of religion keeps dead people’s bones, puts them on display, and expects people to kiss them? Catholicism - and it's awesome.

It's not awesome.

It's perverted, sick, twisted, disgusting, and demonic.

If Catholics think that their fetish with the dead is awesome, it sure gives some insight into the Catholic mind and THANK GOD for delivering me out of THAT mentality.

13 posted on 12/03/2013 7:32:09 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: yldstrk

Do you know Jesus as your personal Savior?


14 posted on 12/03/2013 7:36:02 AM PST by Gamecock (If you like your constitution, you can keep your constitution. Period. (M.S.))
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To: Gamecock

Gamecock you are ridiculous, I am a devout Catholic and have no need of your Protestantism.


15 posted on 12/03/2013 7:37:15 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: marshmallow

“Petros Eni”


16 posted on 12/03/2013 7:37:20 AM PST by PatriotCJC (Keep your powder dry!)
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To: metmom

You’ll be back


17 posted on 12/03/2013 7:38:14 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Your Catholicism will not save you. Do you know Jesus as your Savior?


18 posted on 12/03/2013 7:38:35 AM PST by Gamecock (If you like your constitution, you can keep your constitution. Period. (M.S.))
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To: Gamecock

>>There are no relics of Judas either. Using your logic he was assumed into Heaven too!>>

Your own logic has failed miserably. You’re adding up dogs and cats and getting a parakeet.


19 posted on 12/03/2013 7:39:56 AM PST by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY.)
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To: marshmallow

Peter wasn’t a “Pope”, he was a Prophet of God and an Apostle. There are no similarities between Peter and Linus I.

The resurrected Lord spoke to Peter face to face. He spoke to John face to face. The Lord was speaking to John face to face even after the people “voted” Linus as the ruler of their church. The Lord never spoke to Linus and has never spoken to any “pope”.

If they have Peter’s bones, they need to put them in the ground and let the man rest. This is ridiculous.


20 posted on 12/03/2013 7:40:00 AM PST by StormPrepper
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To: Gamecock

I’m rooting for the Catholics!


21 posted on 12/03/2013 7:40:20 AM PST by PatriotCJC (Keep your powder dry!)
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To: Gamecock

You are welcome to come to the Catholic Church anytime. Try to find a conservative one. Thank you for your concern, but obviously as one who looked for Jesus in the Methodist Church for 17 years and found Him not, I have no need of Protestantism. I found Jesus living in the Catholic Church.


22 posted on 12/03/2013 7:41:42 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Not a chance.

I’ve been set free. I will not submit to the bondage of a works based salvation ever again.


23 posted on 12/03/2013 7:42:12 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: PatriotCJC

Good luck with that.

I’m trusting in Jesus.


24 posted on 12/03/2013 7:42:57 AM PST by Gamecock (If you like your constitution, you can keep your constitution. Period. (M.S.))
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To: yldstrk
You are welcome to come to the Catholic Church anytime.

I've been to more Roman Catholic houses of worship than I care to remember.

The musty smell of idolatry keeps me away.

25 posted on 12/03/2013 7:46:07 AM PST by Gamecock (If you like your constitution, you can keep your constitution. Period. (M.S.))
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To: PatriotCJC
I’m rooting for the Catholics!

Bones to the left
Bones to the right
Kneel down, kiss them
Fight! Fight! Fight!

Sorry, couldn't help myself........thought we needed some kind of football cheer........

26 posted on 12/03/2013 7:48:03 AM PST by Lakeshark (Mr Reid, tear down this law!)
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To: Iscool

I am with you there. I really wish that my Church would get out of this relic business. It’s not relevant to the Gospels or our mission, and only serves to convince fellow Christians and others that we’re a weird, creepy cult.


27 posted on 12/03/2013 7:48:28 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: marshmallow
Being Catholic: Sacred Things, Relics and the Incorruptibles
28 posted on 12/03/2013 7:50:14 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Gamecock

No thank you for that.


29 posted on 12/03/2013 7:50:51 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: StormPrepper

Peter was the first Pope who presided at the Council of Jerusalem.

To whom did Jesus give the Keys of the Kingdom after Peter repented three times. Think about it.


30 posted on 12/03/2013 7:53:00 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
I am with you there. I really wish that my Church would get out of this relic business. It’s not relevant to the Gospels or our mission, and only serves to convince fellow Christians and others that we’re a weird, creepy cult.

Yup. OK. I can agree with you on that one.

It's not much different than the excesses of the word of faith movement and the getting slain in the spirit nonsense does to the non-Catholic church.

31 posted on 12/03/2013 7:53:55 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Campion
Elijah’s bones cured people. It’s in the Bible.

Not Elijah as he actually was taken up into heaven. Try Elisha's, that is in the Bible.

32 posted on 12/03/2013 7:54:51 AM PST by xone
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To: Salvation
Peter was the first Pope who presided at the Council of Jerusalem.

Wrong. James does. It's written in there clearly.

33 posted on 12/03/2013 7:54:59 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: xone

oops.


34 posted on 12/03/2013 7:55:33 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: yldstrk; Gamecock
You are welcome to come to the Catholic Church anytime. Try to find a conservative one.

You'll have to try real hard.

Thank you for your concern, but obviously as one who looked for Jesus in the Methodist Church for 17 years and found Him not, I have no need of Protestantism.

You tried one liberal denomination and gave up?

35 posted on 12/03/2013 7:55:57 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy

As I said (and you conveniently left off the comment) I found Jesus living in the Catholic Church. Why go astray?


36 posted on 12/03/2013 7:59:12 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: metmom

Beat me to it!


37 posted on 12/03/2013 8:02:05 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: marshmallow

There is only ONE “holy father”, His name is Jehovah. To call anyone else your holy father is blasphemy.

Matthew 23:9 KJV
“And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.”


38 posted on 12/03/2013 8:02:36 AM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: yldstrk
There are no relics of Jesus or Mary..........assumed into Heaven

Neither Jesus or Mary was 'assumed' into heaven. Jesus ascended into heaven, and Mary's body remained in the ground. Scripture accounts for Enoch and Elijah's being taken up into heaven. It also accounts for Christ's ascension into heaven, yet is silent on anyone else.

39 posted on 12/03/2013 8:02:52 AM PST by xone
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To: Gamecock

To be Catholic is to know Jesus.


40 posted on 12/03/2013 8:03:10 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

To know Jesus is to be CHRISTIAN.


41 posted on 12/03/2013 8:07:10 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: yldstrk; Gamecock; metmom; Iscool; Alex Murphy; All

Speaking of relics, a joke from Martin Luther:

“A German, making his confession to a priest at Rome, promised, on oath, to keep secret whatsoever the priest should impart unto him, until he reached home; whereupon the priest gave him a leg of the ass on which Christ rode into Jerusalem, very neatly bound up in silk, and said: This is the holy relic on which the Lord Christ corporally did sit, with his sacred legs touching this ass’s leg. Then was the German wondrous glad, and carried the said holy relic with him into Germany. When he got to the borders, he bragged of his holy relic in the presence of four others, his comrades, when, lo! it turned out that each of them had likewise received from the same priest a leg, after promising the same secrecy. Thereupon, all exclaimed, with great wonder: Lord! had that ass five legs?”


42 posted on 12/03/2013 8:21:42 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Salvation

Let’s step through it logically. Play the scenario out.

Again, Peter spoke to the Lord face to face. Popes do not.

Rev 11 states there are Prophets on the earth before the second coming. The Pope is not a prophet. There are no prophets in the Catholic church, therefore these Prophets are not Catholic.

Peter and the rest of the Apostles spoke to the Lord face to face. These latter-day Prophets speak to God face to face. There are no similarities between the pope and any Prophet of God.

You logically have to conclude, that with living Prophets on the earth, Prophets that actually have the power of God like Moses, that they are the leaders of God’s people, because they are talking to God face to face. They truly have the keys and authority.

Since these two can be killed, they are mortal men. If they have the real keys and authority of God, they had to get those from someone. Right?

And Rev 11 states that they stand before God. Meaning God parted the heavens and has spoken to mortal men, just like He’s done with all the other Prophets. But He hasn’t parted the heavens to talk to a pope.

I can logically conclude, that Pope Francis has no keys or authority. Nor has any Pope from Linus I on down. Peter obviously had the keys, Linus I did not, because Francis does not.

In order to answer this, I’m thinking you have to reconcile Rev 11 with Pope Francis.


43 posted on 12/03/2013 8:33:10 AM PST by StormPrepper
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To: StormPrepper

Pope Francis indeed has the Keys to the Kingdom and the ex cathedra privileges if he so chooses.

The Catholic Church comes from Christ>St. Peter and the Apostles> and through apostolic succession after that.

A long line of Popes, some of them brilliant, some of them not so good.

They are not impeccable, but when they speak on faith and morals they are infallible.


44 posted on 12/03/2013 8:55:47 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: StormPrepper

Welcome newbie

StormPrepper

Since Oct 27, 2013


45 posted on 12/03/2013 8:56:39 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; StormPrepper
Doesn't stop your bad Popes from getting on the road to sainthood, eh?
46 posted on 12/03/2013 9:10:44 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: yldstrk
Gamecock you are ridiculous, I am a devout Catholic and have no need of your Protestantism.

Your religion will not save you. Gamecock is right about a personal relationship with Jesus.
47 posted on 12/03/2013 9:53:36 AM PST by Old Yeller (Obama: A dark spot in this country's history.)
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To: metmom
Not a chance.

I’ve been set free. I will not submit to the bondage of a works based salvation ever again.


Same here brother. I was born a Catholic, but born again a Christian.
48 posted on 12/03/2013 9:54:59 AM PST by Old Yeller (Obama: A dark spot in this country's history.)
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To: Petrosius; metmom
Acts 11:26 and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. For a whole year they met with the church and taught a great many people. And in Antioch the disciples were first called Christians. (Not Roman Catholic.)
49 posted on 12/03/2013 10:18:50 AM PST by Gamecock (If you like your constitution, you can keep your constitution. Period. (M.S.))
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To: metmom
To know Jesus is to be CHRISTIAN.

Catholics are Christians. They were so 1500 years before the rise of Protestantism.

N.B., I am not saying that Protestants are not Christians too, just that we were here first.

50 posted on 12/03/2013 10:30:28 AM PST by Petrosius
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