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Fox News opinion piece BLASTS Pope Francis as “the Catholic Church’s Obama”
WDTPRS ^ | December 4, 2013 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 12/05/2013 6:02:42 AM PST by NYer

It seems that not everyone in the MSM is an adoring fan of Pope Francis.

This is an … interesting op-ed on the site of Fox News, which is, yes, pretty much MSM now:

Pope Francis is the Catholic Church’s Obama – God help us

by Adam Shaw [I admit that I haven't heard of Mr. Shaw.  I looked him up on Fox and did not discover much writing about matters having to do with the Church. See below.]

Pope Francis is undergoing a popularity surge comparable to the way Barack Obama was greeted by the world in 2008. And just as President Obama has been a disappointment for America, Pope Francis will prove a disaster for the Catholic Church. [I guess that is a "no" vote.  It also strikes me as hyperbole.  There have been really bad Popes in the Church's history, but she pulled through.  Moreover, there is the role of the Holy Spirit.  I, like Joseph Card. Ratzinger before me, don't believe that the Holy Spirit chooses Popes.  I do believe that Holy Spirit prevents the elevation of a man who would be a total disaster for the Church.  As Catholics, we know that one of the marks of the Church is her indefectibility.  No attack on the Church, from within or without, will completely bring her down.  There is no guarantee from the Lord that Hell and hellish minions won't bring down the Church in certain places, but the Church is indefectible.]

My fellow Catholics should be suspicious when bastions of anti-Catholicism in the left-wing media are in love with him.  [True enough, but they will eventually turn on him.]

[...]

But Francis is beating a retreat for the Catholic Church, and making sure its controversial doctrines are whispered, not yelled – no wonder the New York Times is in love.

Just like President Obama loved apologizing for America, Pope Francis likes to apologize for the Catholic Church, thinking that the Church is at its best when it is passive and not offending anyone’s sensibilities. [Is that what the Pope is doing?  Is the writer psychic?  I think I could be counted as an experience top Pope-watcher, but I can't figure out what Francis is up to most of the time.  I don't always like what I see, but I am not ready to come down on any one square yet.]

In his interviews with those in the left-wing media he seeks to impress, [I sense the writer is not a fan!] Francis has said that the Church needs to stop being ‘obsessed’ with abortion and gay marriage, and instead of seeking to convert people, “we need to get to know each other, listen to each other and improve our knowledge of the world around us.”

This softly-softly approach of not making a fuss has been tried before, and failed. The Second Vatican Council of the 1960’s aimed to “open the windows” of the Church to the modern world by doing just this. [I am beginning to wonder if, perhaps, the writer attends a certain kind of chapel.]

The result was the Catholic version of New Coke. [Okay.  The gloves are really off now!] Across the West where the effects were felt, seminaries and convents emptied, church attendance plummeted, and adherence to Church doctrine diminished.

John Paul II and Benedict XVI worked hard to turn this trend around, but now Pope Francis wants the bad old days to resume.

Proof of this is Francis’ aforementioned statement of the Church being obsessed with controversial issues and the need to rebalance by talking about it less.

That Francis didn’t see that this would be translated into headlines of “Pope tells Catholics to shut up about things that offend Sandra Fluke” by every left-wing media outlet shows a terrifying naivety.

Nor do his comments reflect reality.

For years, the majority of priests didn’t dare cover controversial topics in their homilies in fear of getting angry letters from pick-and-choose Catholics outraged that their pastor dared to say something out of line with the Democratic Party.  [Yes, the writer is correct on this point.  When Pope Francis has spoken about all these people, especially priests, who are obsessed about rules and preaching only about abortion, etc., I had to scratch my head.  Where are these people?  Who are they?  I sure haven't met them.]

[...]

In trying to please the media and the modern world, Francis mistakes their glee for respect. Just like Obama thought he’d won over Putin by promising a reset, Francis thinks by talking vacuously about the poor, he will be respected. And it is vacuous — the pontiff recently asked why it’s news that the stock market drops but not when an old person dies. When your leader is asking, “Why isn’t the newspaper a laundry list of obituaries?” you know you elected the wrong guy. [Okay. It's official.  He is definitely not a fan.]

What effect is this having? [And now we get to The Francis Effect™.] For all we’re being told about how ‘disenfranchised’ Catholics are being brought back by Francis ‘reaching out,’ a recent Pew Research study showed that in America, the number of people who identify as Catholic has actually decreased. Lesson: rubbing the egos of Church-hating left-wingers doesn’t make more Catholics, it just makes the Church less respected.  [Do I hear an "Amen!"?  I mean... he's right, right?  We can debate whether Francis is doing that, but the point is right.]

Francis not only panders to enemies and professional grievance mongers, but also attacks his allies. Just as Obama snubs Britain and Israel, Pope Francis swipes at practicing Catholics.  [Well... he ... welll.... ]

So not only has he insulted, and severely damaged the work of, pro-life and pro-marriage groups with his comments, he has also gone on the attack, dismissing Catholics who attend the older rites in Latin as ‘ideologizing’ and being guilty of ‘exploitation.’ Apparently “Who am I to judge?” doesn’t apply here.

On world matters, Francis’ statements are embarrassing. About communism, a destructive ideology that slaughtered millions of Catholics, he said:

“Learning about it through a courageous and honest person was helpful. I realized…an aspect of the social, which I then found in the social doctrine of the Church.”

Not such kind words for the free market, however. In his recent apostolic exhortation he slammed unfettered capitalism, [I don't think the Pope used that phrase in Evangelii gaudium.] calling it ‘a new tyranny.’

Apart from the fact that there is no major nation practicing unfettered capitalism (like Obama, Francis loves attacking straw men) there is more real tyranny in socialist cesspools like Francis’ home of Argentina than in places where capitalism is predominant.  [If only the writer were less inhibited!  C'mon, Adam!  What do you really think?]

[...]

As a Catholic, I do hope Francis’ papacy is a successful one, but from his first months he seems hell-bent on a path to undo the great work of Benedict XVI and John Paul II, and to repeat critical mistakes of the past.

Adam Shaw is a News Editor for FoxNews.com and has written on Anglo-American issues as well as topics related to the Roman Catholic Church. He lives in New Jersey and can be reached here[I looked up Mr. Shaw at the site of Fox News and didn't find much credited to him on "topics related to the Roman Catholic Church".  Perhaps he writes copy and doesn't get credited.  He does, however, have a lot to say about video games.  HERE]

I wonder if we are seeing a new trend.

Did Rush’s criticism of Evangelii gaudium the other day give “permission”, as it were, to conservative newsies, etc., to start blasting away?

In any event, Shaw’s piece needed to be read.

I wonder if what sparked his was Pres. Obama’s nightmare speech on income inequality in which he quoted Pope Francis.  Obama’s use of the Pope’s words was utterly slimy, of course.  USA Today has it:

During his income inequality speech on Wednesday, President Obama invoked one of the hottest names in public life: Pope Francis.

“Across the developed world, inequality has increased,” Obama said. “Some of you may have seen just last week, the pope himself spoke about this at eloquent length.”

Obama than quoted Francis: “How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses two points?”

Don’t be shocked to see a president-pope meeting in the coming months.

Blech.  Reading Obama quote Francis gives me the same feeling as the sight of a slug crawl.



TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: fox; msm; obama

1 posted on 12/05/2013 6:02:42 AM PST by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 12/05/2013 6:03:15 AM PST by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: NYer

The last two Popes knew fascism close-up. Now we have this guy!


3 posted on 12/05/2013 6:11:20 AM PST by Dr. Ursus
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To: NYer

Either Francis fails
or the Church fails.
Between Francis’ love of communism and Islam. I don’t hold out much hope for the Church.


4 posted on 12/05/2013 6:13:31 AM PST by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: NYer
I don't like what the pope said, but it doesn't bother me. It's just a man's opinion that he can't impose on anyone.

People have different levels of intelligence.
People have different levels of ambition and drive to be successful.

People can be lazy, especially when a check/sustenance can be had for doing nothing.

There's SUPPOSE to be inequality in a free society. Equality in opportunity should always be attempted. But equality across the board should be seen as total nonsense by any normal thinking human being.

It's a fools errand, so it's understandable why Obama thinks income equality is something to be attempted.
5 posted on 12/05/2013 6:21:31 AM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: Dr. Ursus

He’s a Jesuit.....enough said.


6 posted on 12/05/2013 6:24:29 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: NYer

When I recall the 7 churches in Revelation, I am reminded of the luke warm church, the one God spews out of His mouth. There is also the compromising church, they didn’t do well also. The early Church met in Synagogues and homes, read the Old Testament, studied the words of Jesus, and communed together. The Church today does very little of these things and isn’t recognizable to the early church. Maybe the Final Days are upon us, with false prophets, false teachers, haters of God and His Word abounding in all levels of the Church and Government. Today, right is wrong and wrong is right. Sin is rewarded and encouraged, God is pushed to the back of the bus, and all the children have been led astray. This shouldn’t be depressing, because Jesus said this would happen, before His 2nd return, which is now very close at hand. As in the days of Job, we should be clothed in sackcloth, with ashes on our heads repenting of our and other sins. Judgment is coming, which side of the fence do we want to be found?


7 posted on 12/05/2013 6:25:04 AM PST by realcleanguy
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To: ZX12R
don't like what the pope said, but it doesn't bother me.

Can you be more specific? Precisely what did he say with which you disagree .. and show us where he said that in the actual document.

8 posted on 12/05/2013 6:32:11 AM PST by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: NYer

Just like obama the pope has many die hard defenders, no matter what he says, he has been misinterpreted, taken out of context and so on.

Bottom line just like obama, there is not a darn thing anybody can do about it.


9 posted on 12/05/2013 6:32:40 AM PST by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: NYer

When the Pope speaks, I take what he says as a personal message that applies to me alone and not a world message as how governments should be run. I care nothing about what the pro-homosexuals on FOX, or any other mentally disheveled person has to say about it.


10 posted on 12/05/2013 6:36:07 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Revelation 6:10)
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To: PoloSec

This writer is a moron. The Pope is neither conservative or liberal. He is a pastor. And as long as there is a Catholic Church women will not be ordained, there will be no homosexual “marriage”, and there will be no abortion for any reason. What I would do if I were him is not say a word, just go about the business of tending to the flock. No matter what he says those that despise that the Catholic Church will find fault with him, where they be liberal or conservative. On the social issues he is no different than any other pope and the liberals (who claim they like him) will certainly find that out, and the criticism will start and never let up.

Pay no attention to those whose politics informs their religion rather than the other way around. The weed of heresy ALWAYS bears bitter fruit and you will note that virtually all of the anti-Francis crowd are heretics of one stripe or another.


11 posted on 12/05/2013 6:50:11 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NYer
Can you be more specific? Precisely what did he say with which you disagree .. and show us where he said that in the actual document.

"This is a case of inequality. Today everything comes under the laws of competition and the survival of the fittest, where the powerful feed upon the powerless. As a consequence, masses of people find themselves excluded and marginalized: without work, without possibilities, without any means of escape."

"In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system."

"The worship of the ancient golden calf (cf. Ex 32:1-35) has returned in a new and ruthless guise in the idolatry of money and the dictatorship of an impersonal economy lacking a truly human purpose. The worldwide crisis affecting finance and the economy lays bare their imbalances and, above all, their lack of real concern for human beings; man is reduced to one of his needs alone: consumption."

"While the earnings of a minority are growing exponentially, so too is the gap separating the majority from the prosperity enjoyed by those happy few. This imbalance is the result of ideologies which defend the absolute autonomy of the marketplace and financial speculation. Consequently, they reject the right of states, charged with vigilance for the common good, to exercise any form of control. A new tyranny is thus born, invisible and often virtual, which unilaterally and relentlessly imposes its own laws and rules."

APOSTOLIC EXHORTATION EVANGELII GAUDIUM OF THE HOLY FATHER FRANCIS

Published in the Vatican Press
12 posted on 12/05/2013 6:54:39 AM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: NYer

“Did Rush’s criticism of Evangelii gaudium the other day give “permission”, as it were, to conservative newsies, etc., to start blasting away?”

Did you read the document?

The Pope uses the term, “trickle down economics”, calling it, and effectively, Reagan’s economics, a terrible notion.

Did the Pope have to use that term?

Obama quoted the Pope yesterday in his lecture to us, telling us that we need to reject notions of capitalism and embrace what the Pope himself endorses, shared wealth.

The MSM doesn’t even need to get in on this.

I would be so happy to see anyone explain how, specifically, Rush and/or the President are misinterpreting this document, its tone and its goal.

I’ve really searched, but I can’t see it.


13 posted on 12/05/2013 6:59:01 AM PST by stanne
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To: NYer

Fox News (and other outlets) thinks on an American level while the pope is speaking on a universal level. He’s not addressing only the U.S. ... something the media just can’t seem to grasp.


14 posted on 12/05/2013 7:02:14 AM PST by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: NYer

Someone at Fox News needs to read this exhortation. And the report it fair and balanced.


15 posted on 12/05/2013 7:15:51 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Dr. Ursus

I think you are making a mistake in judgment here.


16 posted on 12/05/2013 7:17:03 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Guenevere

The Jesuits are on their way back up — why to you slander them?


17 posted on 12/05/2013 7:18:05 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

That’s an absurd comparison. Not to mention libelous to Pope Francis, if you think about it. I don’t think he’s a liar. Obama, on the other hand…


18 posted on 12/05/2013 7:40:59 AM PST by RichInOC (2013-14 Tiber Swim Team)
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To: Salvation

You read a lot more in my little post than I posted.


19 posted on 12/05/2013 8:04:26 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: ZX12R

Maybe His Holiness shouldn’t have used the term “trickle-down”, though accurate grates on the nerves of some Americans for reasons unknown, but all of what you’ve quoted from his exhortation is essentially accurate. Sadly, some people will never accept this.


20 posted on 12/05/2013 8:04:54 AM PST by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
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To: steelhead_trout
but all of what you’ve quoted from his exhortation is essentially accurate.

I don't agree with any of it. However, I also don't believe in religion getting involved with government whatsoever. The father should stick to the spiritual side of things.
21 posted on 12/05/2013 8:27:23 AM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: al_c
Fox News (and other outlets) thinks on an American level while the pope is speaking on a universal level.

So universally its better to staunch freedom? Freedom is only OK for the States but not for anyone else?

In reality it's the poorest of the poor countries who need trickle down. It's the best way out of poverty so the Pope should be pushing it, not negating it.

22 posted on 12/05/2013 11:36:45 AM PST by what's up
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