Skip to comments.[Piers] Morgan to [Rick] Warren: Will Christians’ Perspective on Gay Marriage ever ‘Evolve’?
Posted on 12/07/2013 7:30:54 AM PST by markomalley
On Piers Morgan Live Friday, Morgan asked Pastor Rick Warren whether he thought Christians views on homosexuality and same-sex marriage would ever evolve as they had for other perspectives in the Bible that seem very anachronistic. Warren replied no, adding, I fear the disapproval of God more than I fear your disapproval or the disapproval of society.
Morgan invited Warren to discuss several topics, including Warrens opinion of the new Pope, homosexuality, and same-sex marriage. In a mutually respectful dialog, the two differed on many issues, most notably same-sex marriage.
Warren: Tolerance, Piers, used to mean we treat each other with mutual respect, even if you have major disagreements. Today, tolerance has been changed to mean all ideas are equally valid. Well thats nonsense. All ideas are not equally valid. ...
Morgan: But do you believe in equality for all?
When Warren answered yes, Morgan continued.
Morgan: Then how can you as a Christian man, and a great man ... how can you espouse genuine equality if you don't allow gay people the same right to get married as straight people?
Warren contended that his issue is really with the societal redefinition of the term marriage, referencing the growing trend of Orwellian doublespeak, or twisting of the meaning of many important terms in modern culture.
Morgan: There are many things in the Bible that today wouldnt fly... there are a number of things in the Bible that seem very anachronistic. ... Can you see a time when not just you, but other Christian preachers, and indeed the Catholic Church and others, say, you know what, real equality means everyone has the same right to get married, gay or straight?
Warren: I cannot see that happening in my life. I fear the disapproval of God more than I fear your disapproval or the disapproval of society.
At which point, many in the audience broke out in applause.
Earth to Piers:
Perhaps if gays could ever evolve to procreate naturally?
>>Warren: I cannot see that happening in my life. I fear the disapproval of God more than I fear your disapproval or the disapproval of society.
Not a big fan of Rick Warren, but I am very proud of him for that statement.
Well, I'll be. Warren finally winds up on the right side for a change.
“I fear the disapproval of God more than I fear your disapproval or the disapproval of society.”
There will always be people who will modify and tinker things until they are barely recognisable. Like Mormonism. Or how fornication somehow became an “okay” sin. When the tinkerers have numbers on their side, voila, the definitions change.
Evidently Morgan does not realize that to some Protestants, myself included, the pope is almost as alien as the ayatollahs.
And not all Christian believe in evolution, either.
Ok. Piers is no better than any muslim whk defines God’s prophet as Christ descending from the cross. This is not the same story and Christ.
If it is for gay marriage blessed horror it is not Christian, period. It is not the same God. The same way with the word Catholic. It is the doctrine which defines the word Catholic, and any other doctrine requires its new definition and label.
Piers is using a stealth variation of word destruction the way of the memory hole. There is no “evolution”. Every different DNA is its own patent. Piers proves that diversity relativism into a single basket liberal idea does breed a single kind into uniracial fascism.
GOD’s word never changes so NO!
Can’t this silly English twit go back to his homeland and eat a crumpet or something? Why does he even have a show anyway? All he does is whinge about America and Americans.
Whoa, color me shocked. He actually stood up to him in the right way for the right thing.
Evolution requires a rebuild, it is a software drawing board process.
The “evolution” they talk about is something completely different. If my DNA is different than yours, I am different, I have not particularly evolved from nor evolving to yourself. But there in lay the fascist narcissist liberal: to them we have to admire them as a the evolved specie, as our descendant of purer race, as something we owe to, where as the “traditionalists” are backwards subhumans worshipping ancestors.
Liberals hide these finer foundation points of their thinking. They do not come out with these ideas out of thin air. It is all self serving in their feelings of racial superiority. We are the monkeys, they are the new holy PC sex advanced race and our superiors.
It is like night and day, heaven and hell, gays and non gay society, there is no “evolution”, but completely different cults requiring different labels proselytizing. They cannot come out the closet and admit they come from Satan. Obama does the same when he pretends coming in as a heterosexual tolerating homosexuals, when he is a closet homosexual.
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Every once in a while Warren mans up and says the right thing.
Good for him.
God’s word does not change and God warns us not to change it. I guess the life of Rich’s son was not enough of a warning.
Alinsky tactic. RULE 4: Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
Will it ever contradict its principles, you mean?
As above, the Bible clearly provides for no changes to be made, yet the Left has the audacity nonetheless to foist their disrespectful and sometimes incredibly lewd attempts at corrupting the faithful.
They respect no one but their own. "Evolution" regarding the abomination of homosexuality, Piers?
"[The Spirit] testif[ies] to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book [Bible, Revelations]: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book." (Revelations 22:18-19) "the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them. (Rom 1:26-32)
[God, the] Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow." (James 1:17)
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals" (I Cor. 6:9)
I don't think your kind will be missed in heaven, Piers!
"You've gone from being the man everybody loves to hate to the man everybody just hates! From Simon Cowell to Piers Morgan!"
That was one of the few pop culture references in the show that works on both sides of the pond. Maybe not, though, since many Americans don't know who Piers Morgan is, and many Britons have had the pleasure of forgetting all about him.
We are Devo, Piers.
You Scored as Anselm
Anselm is the outstanding theologian of the medieval period.He sees man’s primary problem as having failed to render unto God what we owe him, so God becomes man in Christ and gives God what he is due. You should read ‘Cur Deus Homo?’
Well, I’ve had my doubt about Warren but he certainly seemed to lay it on the line. Glad to see this.
And by the way, nothing evolves.
"Gay Marriage" isn't really about equal rights for gays, its about creating a legal framework where mainline Christianity can legally be redefined as a "Hate Group" like Neo Nazis and the KKK and then their 1st Amendment rights revoked.
Its about forcing churches to hold gay weddings (and eventually lose their tax exempt status for preaching the Gospel), its about forcing Christian photographers, singers, cake bakers and florists to endorse something their religion says is sin by using their talents to support the ceremony or forever give up their right to make a living.
Like all progressive causes, its about balkanizing our society into thousands of easily controlled sub-groups that can be pitted against one another at a moments notice for THEIR political gain.
Church Lady is pretty profound.
Well, I'll be. Warren finally winds up on the right side for a change.
Yeah, but somebody will cave, eventually.
My experience is with the bread and butter issues, Rick Warren toes the biblical line when being confronted by the popular media. It’s in other venues and on other issues when he can get a bit slippery.
If Christians “evolve” away from Christianity, then they aren’t Christians anymore. You can’t evolve standards, you can only leave them behind. Kinda like we’ve left the Constitution behind.
There are some things to which compromise doesn’t apply.
Excellent photo of the Obama voters.
Interesting point. If homosexual acts were truly equal to heterosexual acts, then shouldn’t the former result in pregnancy?
The best statement I’ve ever heard Rick Warren make.
Agreed. At least he didn’t dawdle around the hard truth of the matter like Osteen did.