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Understanding Pope Francis
http://www.reallifecatholic.com ^ | Chris Stefanick

Posted on 12/07/2013 8:55:18 AM PST by NKP_Vet

Pope Francis has laid out his plans for the Church in Evangelii Gaudium (EG). Rush Limbaugh read it and has concluded he’s a Marxist. Politically conservative evangelicals fear they’ve lost an ally in the Catholic Church. The pro-gay marriage lobby and Planned Parenthood are disillusioned after reading paragraphs 66 and 213, and rightly so. Pius X Society sympathizers are on edge after reading 108. “Left-leaning” Catholics who were hoping for a female priesthood are deflated after reading paragraph 104. Mainstream media labels him a progressive. Whose side is this man on anyway?

That he’s getting the entire world’s attention is undeniable. (I was recently interviewed on Al Jazeera TV about him. That’s a first for me!) But I think most of the world, from Rush to HuffPost to Al Jazeera, has absolutely no idea how to read him. That’s because most of the world is examining the 265th successor of Peter through the wrong lens.

The Church has never fit the hyper-politicized lens the Western World has come to see all things through. We’re “right of center” on abortion and gay marriage. We’re “left of center” on immigration and the need to care for the poor. Maybe that’s because our “center” is Jesus Christ.

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1 posted on 12/07/2013 8:55:18 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet
Pope Francis

The black pope (Nostradamus) everyone has been watching for. He's here.

2 posted on 12/07/2013 9:04:19 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: concerned about politics
From the EG, Francis on Islam:

In order to sustain dialogue with Islam, suitable training is essential for all involved, not only so that they can be solidly and joyfully grounded in their own identity, but so that they can also acknowledge the values of others, appreciate the concerns underlying their demands and shed light on shared beliefs. We Christians should embrace with affection and respect Muslim immigrants to our countries in the same way that we hope and ask to be received and respected in countries of Islamic tradition. I ask and I humbly entreat those countries to grant Christians freedom to worship and to practice their faith, in light of the freedom which followers of Islam enjoy in Western countries! Faced with disconcerting episodes of violent fundamentalism, our respect for true followers of Islam should lead us to avoid hateful generalisations, for authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Koran are opposed to every form of violence.

3 posted on 12/07/2013 9:11:49 AM PST by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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To: Third Person
The White Pope, and THE prophasized Black Pope.

4 posted on 12/07/2013 9:18:07 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: NKP_Vet

I don’t believe Rush explicitly stated that the Pope was a Marxist.


5 posted on 12/07/2013 9:19:25 AM PST by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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To: Third Person
We Christians should embrace with affection and respect Muslim immigrants to our countries ...
Gheeze, and I thought it was bad when the Church allowed dirty, scumbag, anti-America hippies to do folk Masses.
6 posted on 12/07/2013 9:23:36 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: deadrock

http://www.newsmax.com/BillDonohue/Pope-Francis-Church-Catholic/2013/11/27/id/538999

Pope Francis has an uncanny ability to excite the passions of the left and the right, and he has done so again in his apostolic exhortation, “The Joy of the Gospel.”

The Pope begins by outlining his principal interest, evangelization, calling on us to avoid being consumed by material pleasures that harm our interior life; when this happens, we shut out the voice of God.

He asks us to maintain good relations with Jews and Muslims, and beckons us not to judge Islam by the violence done in its name.

He hastens to add that the persecution of Christians in Islamic nations must end. He also reminds us that evangelization is “first and foremost about preaching the Gospel to those who do not know Jesus Christ or who have always rejected him.” (His italics.)

The Pope is opposed to “excessive centralization,” and to that end he implores us not to view the parish as “an outdated institution.” He sees a vital role for the laity, who constitute “the vast majority of the people of God.”

The Holy Father asks us to give more attention to the special role that women play in the church, and in society. However, he also says that the church teaching on an all-male priesthood is “not a question open to discussion.” Motherhood, he insists, is a status conferred on women, one that allows them to exercise their special gift of serving others.

On economic issues, the Pope posits a clear animus toward unbridled capitalism, a view shared by his predecessors. But he is more pointed, rejecting “trickle-down” theories.

He is not rejecting a market-based economic model in favor of a socialist one — indeed he restates Catholic teaching on subsidiarity — but he is warning us against greed and the single-minded pursuit of profit.

“The private ownership of goods is justified by the need to protect and increase them,” Pope Francis says, “so that they can better serve the common good; for this reason, solidarity must be lived as the decision to restore to the poor what belongs to them.” This is welcome, but his focus on the structural causes of poverty, to the exclusion of the cultural causes, suggests an incomplete understanding of this issue. He is very much in the Latin American mode of thinking on this subject.

On abortion, Pope Francis flatly says that “the church cannot be expected to change her position on this question.”

Indeed, he says it is not “progressive” to resolve problems “by eliminating a human life.” Planned Parenthood has been doing this for decades.

The Holy Father’s comments on the family are telling. “Marriage tends to be viewed as a form of mere emotional satisfaction that can be constructed in any way or modified at will,” he says.

This is a clear shot at gay marriage, the proponents of whom have been quick to say that marriage is all about love. Nonsense, he says. The Pope cites French bishops that marriage is about “the depth of the obligation assumed by the spouses who accept to enter a total communion of life.”

Pope Francis warns of the dangers of “secularist rationalism,” and the radical individualism that it entails. He lays down a strong anchor by exhorting Catholics not to allow the forces of secularization to silence them; the church cannot reduce itself to “the sphere of the private and personal.”

He wants a public, and full-throated, exercise of religion. “Who would claim to lock up in a church and silence the message of Saint Francis or blessed Teresa of Calcutta?”

Catholic League members will like the Pope’s criticisms of our “media culture and some intellectual circles.”

These segments of the population would like activist Catholics to muzzle themselves, keeping their hands off the normative order. But when Catholics bend to these militant secularists, they lose. “They end up stifling the joy of mission with a kind of obsession about being like everyone else and possessing what everyone else possesses.”

Pope Francis is neither liberal nor conservative. He’s simply Catholic, and a towering champion of its many causes.


7 posted on 12/07/2013 9:23:37 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: deadrock

Rush was wrong — are you sure about that? Do a search for Rush and Francis in the title. LOL!


8 posted on 12/07/2013 9:24:09 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NKP_Vet

That introductory paragraph is a nutshell that we needed the first day! Wowsies!


9 posted on 12/07/2013 9:24:51 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NKP_Vet
Thanks.

But I still don’t believe that Rush explicitly stated that the Pope was a Marxist.

10 posted on 12/07/2013 9:26:06 AM PST by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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To: NKP_Vet

**Pope Francis is an evangelist, plain and simple. But he’s no ordinary evangelist. Though he’s taken his name after Francis of Assisi, our pope is clearly a missionary in the spirit of “the other St. Francis.” St. Francis Xavier was a 16th century Jesuit missionary who may have baptized more people than anyone in history. He was also a bit of a wild man. His desire to share the Gospel in its purest form probably drove the more mild manned, yet good people around him crazy!**

BTTT! I could see the evangelization from the very beginning — his reaching out to individuals, etc.


11 posted on 12/07/2013 9:26:51 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NKP_Vet
Local Churches should grapple with the strategies the pope lays out as we discern what will work in each diocese and region. His intention in Evangelii Gaudium isn’t to offer an exhaustive and detailed plan, but to start the conversation on many important issues within the life of the Church (EG 32 and 226). But while the implementation of his pastoral direction will vary from place to place, and disagreements will occur over the specifics (stay tuned), the overall direction he’s steering the Barque of Peter is definitive and clear. He’s turning the Church’s energies and focus “outward” to the task of the new evangelization.

Amen!

12 posted on 12/07/2013 9:28:38 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

**Pope Francis is steamrolling through all the barbed wire we’ve established between ourselves in the Church, disregarding all of our internal factions. The only “side” he is choosing is the Great Commission. He’s leading the charge into “no man’s land,” where the Gospel meets the rest of humanity, and he’s inviting the entire Church to follow him there. But follow or not, like the Jesuit Francis of the 16th century, he’s making it clear that he’s going there, even if he goes there alone. **

Outstanding article!


13 posted on 12/07/2013 9:30:14 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Rush being wrong is neither here nor there regarding my comment. He did not call the Pope a Marxist.


14 posted on 12/07/2013 9:31:02 AM PST by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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To: NKP_Vet

more blather and twaddle by folks trying to twist and distort what this pope actually said. Spin it any way you want he was very clear about his anti free market and anti capitalistic view point


15 posted on 12/07/2013 9:31:44 AM PST by Nifster
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To: concerned about politics
The black pope (Nostradamus) everyone has been watching for. He's here.

Sorry, but everybody knows the Black Pope is Adolfo Nicolás Pachón, S.J.

16 posted on 12/07/2013 9:33:10 AM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: NKP_Vet

It’s a good document overall. It’s just a shame some Vatican Marxist had to slip in some anti-Capitalist boilerplate. There’s no point denying they’re there.


17 posted on 12/07/2013 9:38:18 AM PST by DManA
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To: deadrock

He didn’t. I was listening that day and here’s the link.http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/11/27/it_s_sad_how_wrong_pope_francis_is_unless_it_s_a_deliberate_mistranslation_by_leftists


18 posted on 12/07/2013 9:41:10 AM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: markomalley

Pope Francis is the first Jesuit Pope. The first Jesuit Pope would naturally be the first fully “Black” (i.e. Jesuit) “Pope.” It is a circular logical statement that is just common sense.


19 posted on 12/07/2013 9:47:49 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: markomalley
Sorry, but everybody knows the Black Pope is Adolfo Nicolás Pachón, S.J.

In general, the use of the term "Black Pope" is often experienced as a derogatory nickname given to the Superior General, usually by the media and never utilized by the Jesuits themselves.

20 posted on 12/07/2013 9:50:47 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: NKP_Vet

nice summary and clarification. thank you!


21 posted on 12/07/2013 9:51:58 AM PST by GOP Poet
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To: NKP_Vet

I care more about what Rush Limbaugh says about the Catholic Church than what Pope Francis does. I don’t even care what the pope ACTUALLY said, translated properly, either. Who has time.

Rush never called Francis a marxist. No need to.
Rush never called Fluke a pig, he never did, just a slut.


22 posted on 12/07/2013 9:53:08 AM PST by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: NKP_Vet

He asks us to maintain good relations with Jews and Muslims, and beckons us not to judge Islam by the violence done in its name.

>Islam isn’t to be judged harshly. Even though in the name of Islam a genocide is being committed against Arab Christians right before our eyes. On the other hand, the trickle-down theory is the new tyranny. And, people who believe in it are naive.


23 posted on 12/07/2013 10:09:19 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: concerned about politics
In general, the use of the term "Black Pope" is often experienced as a derogatory nickname given to the Superior General…

I know, and Pachón is the Superior General.

24 posted on 12/07/2013 10:10:39 AM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: NKP_Vet

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, its a duck!


25 posted on 12/07/2013 10:16:56 AM PST by kenmcg
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To: NKP_Vet

I kind of agree with you. Catholics aren’t conservatives nor are they liberals and they certainly aren’t libertarians.

free-market economics + traditional social values = conservative (American sense of the word)

populist economics + progressive social values = liberal (American sense of the world)

populist economics + traditional social values = Catholic

free-market economics + progressive social values = Libertarian

Rush should reconsider his being upset. Catholics aren’t conservatives. Maybe some Catholics, here or there, like John Paul II, are sufficiently close to the conservative position so as to make a practical alliance. But, Rush shouldn’t base his expectations on that.


26 posted on 12/07/2013 10:23:21 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: deadrock

Yes he did.


27 posted on 12/07/2013 10:25:03 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: deadrock
He very strongly implied that the pope is a Marxist. And why not? Might as well call a spade a spade.

Francis is no Benedict, that's for sure.

28 posted on 12/07/2013 10:32:11 AM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: Redmen4ever

I disagree. Populist economics is not required to be a Catholic. Some Catholics are conservative, some “Catholics” are liberal, some are libertarian, same as the rest of the population.


29 posted on 12/07/2013 10:33:58 AM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: deadrock

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3098495/posts


30 posted on 12/07/2013 10:35:11 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3098495/posts


31 posted on 12/07/2013 10:35:41 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: oh8eleven

The complete sentence seems to be based on the Golden Rule (Matt. 7.12), although it is undoubtedly wishful thinking at least in terms of most Muslim countries. But Jesus also said, “Do good to those that hate you” (Matt. 5.44).


32 posted on 12/07/2013 10:46:58 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: markomalley

I thought Bill Clinton was the first black pope. Or was it the first black president. I can see him now bitting his bottom lip at a news conference, rubbing some little black kid on the head, and at time asking him does he have a big sister.


33 posted on 12/07/2013 10:50:24 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

Bill was the first female black president.

Hillary will be the first grandma president.


34 posted on 12/07/2013 10:51:52 AM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: Redmen4ever

Most Catholic I go to Church with are economically conservative as well as socially conservative. And so is
Pope Francis. Liberals on the other hand are for massive free government giveaway programs, sodomite “marriage”, murdering their own unborn, and doing away with anything to do with Christianity. Libertarians are small government conservative and at the same time they are social liberals.

Judge Napolitano who did one of the hit pieces on Pope Francis, claims he’s a “devout Catholic”, but lets his libertarian leanings trump his faith when he says sodomite “marriage” is a “civil right”. Apparently he could care less what the Bible teachs about the sacrament of marriage.
Anyone whose politics trumps does not have much of a faith to start with.


35 posted on 12/07/2013 11:00:43 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: Verginius Rufus
But Jesus also said, “Do good to those that hate you”
Hating is one thing, but wanting to convert or execute is something else altogether.
36 posted on 12/07/2013 11:03:13 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Redmen4ever

Most Catholic I go to Church with are economically conservative as well as socially conservative. And so is
Pope Francis. Liberals on the other hand are for massive free government giveaway programs, sodomite “marriage”, murdering their own unborn, and doing away with anything to do with Christianity. Libertarians are small government conservative and at the same time they are social liberals.

Judge Napolitano who did one of the hit pieces on Pope Francis, claims he’s a “devout Catholic”, but lets his libertarian leanings trump his faith when he says sodomite “marriage” is a “civil right”. Apparently he could care less what the Bible teachs about the sacrament of marriage.
Anyone whose politics trumps their faith does not have much of a faith to start with.


37 posted on 12/07/2013 11:03:16 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: Third Person
our respect for true followers of Islam should lead us to avoid hateful generalisations, for authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Koran are opposed to every form of violence.

That alone tells the world that this guy is a deceiver...

38 posted on 12/07/2013 11:15:08 AM PST by Iscool
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To: NKP_Vet

Perhaps you know this. As a Cardinal, Pope Francis said that civil unions were a right (because of the tie of so many benefits and rewards to marriage and the overriding concern for equal rights).


39 posted on 12/07/2013 11:24:55 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

You sound like Pope Benedict XVI. He said Christianity is not an economic system and it is not a political system.


40 posted on 12/07/2013 11:26:58 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: NKP_Vet

Then Rush probably considers Jesus a Marxist.


41 posted on 12/07/2013 11:37:23 AM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: Salvation; All

YOPIOF

Your own personal interpretation of Pope Francis LOL.


42 posted on 12/07/2013 12:43:11 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Salvation

Sad to see you lie. That is still a sin, right?


43 posted on 12/07/2013 1:18:43 PM PST by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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To: deadrock

Nevertheless Limbaugh said it whether quoting Pope Francis himself or other media.


44 posted on 12/07/2013 1:22:34 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: deadrock

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3098495/posts


45 posted on 12/07/2013 1:23:12 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
How absurd, here is the quote (I notice you have not shown a link to where Rush SAID that the pope is a Marxist):
This is just pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the pope.
If I were to say **that is just pure Catholic propanganda coming out of the mouth of Salvation"** that would not be calling you a propagandist, just that at that moment propaganda was being expressed.

Disclaimer: That is NOT a personal attack, just an example.

46 posted on 12/07/2013 1:31:36 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - -Andrew Breitbart --The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 to Mar 1, 2012)
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To: Third Person

Sounds like it’s time for a public Koran kissing.


47 posted on 12/07/2013 1:36:34 PM PST by DungeonMaster
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To: Syncro

How absurd indeed. If one lies about the little things in life....etc.


48 posted on 12/07/2013 1:42:25 PM PST by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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To: deadrock
It's amazing how leftist twisting of the words of Limbaugh are spouted when their ox is (rightfully) being gored.

So the pope believes in Marxist principles? So?

So what if the pope believes illegal insurgent invading criminal aliens should be allowed to continue to break the law?

49 posted on 12/07/2013 2:15:22 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - -Andrew Breitbart --The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 to Mar 1, 2012)
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To: NKP_Vet

Bmrk


50 posted on 12/07/2013 2:22:49 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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