Posted on 12/09/2013 7:13:05 PM PST by ebb tide
Drivel........
Using ill informed guess work to air grievances.
Pope Francis:“I think this is the moment for mercy. The divorced may have access to the sacraments. The problem regards those who are in a second marriage … who cannot receive communion. But, in parenthesis, the Orthodox have a different praxis. They follow the theology of economy, and they give a second chance: they allow that.
“But I think that this problem – and here I close the parenthesis – should be studied within the framework of matrimonial pastoral care. One of the themes that the Council of Cardinals will consider in the meeting in … October is how to proceed in relation to matrimonial pastoral care. A few days ago I met with the secretary of the Synod of Bishops, for the theme of the next Synod and, speaking … we saw this anthropological theme: how faith helps in the planning of the person, in the family, and enters into the pastoral of matrimony. We are on the way towards a deeper matrimonial pastoral care. This is a problem for many people.”
Are you accusing the Pope of spouting ill-informed guess work? If so, I agree with you. Popes shouldn't do such things.
I agree with you. The judge of this business is in Heaven, and the jury is out, entirely.
The rapid fire umbrage being taken everywhere is a sign of the times, where sound doctrine is rejected wholesale, in favor of chasing unicorns
of titillating scandal and nefarious deeds of fallen man, in rapidly falling nations.
The Judge has a jury?
Salvation Outside the Church is now sound doctrine?
One might say that the “reaction lobby”, on earth here, is trying the Pope with great vigor and much umbrage, serving as a defacto jury.
So, I said it. :)
One might say whatever they wish, as you have done. It makes no sense to me, however.
We are, unto our own salvation, the Bride and Body of the Christ. HE is the Head. He is Mercy, “on those whom He will”. That is all I have been taught.
The Pope, in his remarks, was not all that comforting to those outside the Church, I didn’t think, but dared not condemn the agnostic/atheist reporter nor dared remove all hope for him.
I am more than willing to appreciate his kind witness to the poor, than to be prematurely anxious over his language and regional politics differences with us in the West. He has never experienced free enterprise and is uninformed of our benefits from capitalism, but obviously subjected to propaganda.
Do you reject Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus? It is a dogma of the Catholic Church.
An very interesting read, but parsed, and truncated of the fuller text of the Holy Father’s own elaboration therein. I haven’t read the 50 some thousand words, and really can’t feign a faint over this selective content.
I will let you know if should ever go wobbly though.
We are? So we don't need priests or sacraments or grace?
That sounds like what Pelosi said about Obamacare. Nobody reads the damn things but they all defend them like wildcats.
How could we be “unto our own salvation”, without them? I certainly did not mean we *individually* save ourselves.
Certainly I meant by way of faith (which *is* only by His Grace) and certainly the Sacraments (which only exist by the consecrated hand of the priests).
You seem eager to panic, so this may be too laborious for my pay grade.
But, Merry Christmas, for sure. Rita
Good for you for reading the document in its entirety. I have not.
I do follow Francis’ witness of deeds, however, with no small amount of awe.
May you have a Blessed and Holy Christmas also.
I’m not panicked, but I am concerned that Pope Francis appears to be saying atheists, Jews and Muslims, etc can achieve salvation without priests, sacraments and the graces associated with them. Why even convert to Catholicism, if there’s no need to do so?
Thank you so much for your greeting, my dearest brother. We Catholics were raised to expect deterioration in all things, as Sacred Scripture attests throughout.
My job is to be still and know that He is God. That it should be we, you and I, who may be living on the cusp of His judgement is ordained and we shall live up to our purpose if that is truly the desire of our heart. He will see us through and He knows our hearts are breaking. We are beginning to say, “Come Lord Jesus, Come”, and mean it.
I want to take care of all which my abilities allow me and leave the macro to God and His Justice. Peace, Rita
I think many are absolutely fine with the new doctrine of Vatican II which Francis fully embodies. Hence, these latest remarks are not a concern, but are welcomed.
EENS was so exclusive, so yesterday.
I’m accusing those speculating about the Pope’s intentions for the Synod.
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