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Mormon church explains past ban on black priests
wtvm.com ^ | Dec 10, 2013 | BRADY McCOMBS

Posted on 12/09/2013 7:46:04 PM PST by Jet Jaguar

More than three decades after reversing its prohibition of black priests, the Mormon church has disavowed the ban, saying it was put into place during an era of great racial divide that influenced early teachings of the church.

The nearly 2,000-word statement posted on The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' website was the church's most comprehensive explanation of why it previously had barred men of African descent from the lay clergy. In the article, the church pinned the ban on an announcement from church president Brigham Young in 1852.

The ban ended in 1978, but in the 35 years since then, the church had never given an official explanation for the reasons behind the ban or addressed the once widely held notion that blacks were spiritually inferior, said Matthew Bowman, an author and assistant professor of religion at Hampden-Sydney College in Virginia.

In the article, posted Friday, the church addressed what has become a sensitive topic for current leaders and the 15 million members around the world.

"The Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse, or that it reflects actions in a premortal life; that mixed-race marriages are a sin; or that blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior in any way to anyone else," the statement read. "Church leaders today unequivocally condemn all racism, past and present, in any form."

Mormon church officials declined comment on the article but said it is part of a series of new online postings to explain or expand on certain gospel topics for its members. Other topics include, "Are Mormons Christian?" and one about founder Joseph Smith's first visions.

Armand Mauss, a retired professor of Sociology and Religious Studies at Washington State University, said the article is the most comprehensive explanation yet about the past exclusion of blacks from the priesthood and marks the first time the church has explicitly disavowed its previous teachings on the topic.

Mormon scholars over the years have written much of what is in the posting, but it is noteworthy coming from church headquarters in Salt Lake City, he said. He and other scholars were interviewed several months ago by staff from LDS Public Affairs in preparation for the new article, Mauss said, adding that it reflects a "new Church commitment to greater transparency about its history, doctrines, and policies."

Don Harwell, a black Mormon, called the article a great moment.

"History and changes all happen due to time. This is way past due," said Harwell, 67, of Cottonwood Heights, who converted to Mormonism in 1983. "These are the statements they should have made in 1978, but better late than never."

Harwell is the president of Utah's Genesis Group, a support organization founded in 1971 for black Mormons. While he noted that he doesn't speak for the church, he said he believes the next step is getting more black Mormons into church leadership positions. He serves as counselor to the bishop in his local congregation and can see how that is helping young church members change their perceptions.

Margaret Blair Young, an adjunct professor at Brigham Young University who made a documentary about the untold stories of black Mormons, called the new article a miracle.

"I'm thrilled," Young said. "It went so much further than anything before has done."


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1 posted on 12/09/2013 7:46:04 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

The official explanation is that the lds god(s) change their minds on a frequent basis.


2 posted on 12/09/2013 7:48:22 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: Jet Jaguar

>>, saying it was put into place during an era of great racial divide that influenced early teachings of the church.<<

Not to be confused with magical gold pieces pulled from a top hat that influenced early teachings...


3 posted on 12/09/2013 7:51:58 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Women’s ordination and gay marriage will be next.


4 posted on 12/09/2013 7:53:19 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Jet Jaguar

One thing I don’t understand is how you can become a black mormon? Isn’t that like a Jew joining the SS? Does he remember the founder Joseph Smith said the best people of color could expect was to become the servants/slaves of white gods in the afterlife? An eternal “plantation”? Isn’t that what he told a black servant who converted and followed him all her life? Correct me if I’m wrong.


5 posted on 12/09/2013 8:07:26 PM PST by Anton.Rutter
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To: Jet Jaguar

Xenu had a really good chauffeur who just happened to be black, and it made him think twice about banning black priests.


6 posted on 12/09/2013 8:08:10 PM PST by oblomov
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To: Jet Jaguar
"The Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse, or that it reflects actions in a premortal life; that mixed-race marriages are a sin; or that blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior in any way to anyone else," the statement read. "Church leaders today unequivocally condemn all racism, past and present, in any form."

That doesn't sound very white or delightsome!

7 posted on 12/09/2013 8:10:41 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Jet Jaguar

So, the LDS Prophets, and by Extension, the LDS god is fallible, right?


8 posted on 12/09/2013 8:28:07 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Jet Jaguar

This appears to be an admission that heretofore claimed infallible pronouncements of the founders of the Mormon Church were not infallible. Perhaps, the other doctrines of the Mormon Church considered to be strange by mainstream Christianity will also be re-cast as something less than infallible. I have always been very impressed by the actual Mormons I have met. I like their devotion to family and church life, their embrace of private charity and of a free market economy.


9 posted on 12/09/2013 8:35:02 PM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Jet Jaguar

Next up for revision: Jewish Indians.


10 posted on 12/09/2013 8:55:11 PM PST by Defiant (Obama is The Bard of Canard.)
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To: Defiant; All
Well, NOTE THIS: The Mormons haven't changed these following Book of Mormon passages, now have they? >

These verses below talk about how the "skin of blackness" is a "cursing" based upon their "iniquity" (2 Nephi 5:21; Alma 3:6; Jacob 3:5) and how when the curse would be removed, they would again become "white" (3 Nephi 2:15), which the Book of Mormon says is a "delightsome" color (2 Nephi 5:21; cf. older version of the one verse they DID alter without any explanation: 2 Nephi 30:6):

The Mormon "prophets" Nephi, Alma and the Mormon Jacob are racists! (As are the Mormon gods)

* "And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceeding fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them." (2 Nephi 5:21)

* "...many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white and delightsome people." (2 Nephi 30:6, pre-1981 versions...changed from unknown reasons in 1981 to "fair and delightsome"...It's not like the Mormon church has the supposed gold plates to go back and look to interpret a word differently)

* "And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against the their brethren..." (Alma 3:6)

* "Behold, the Lamanites your brethren, whom ye hate because of their filthiness and the cursing which hath come upon their skins..." (Jacob 3:5) [Note: The "Lamanites" per Mormonism are Native Americans...so their skin color, says Mormon "scripture" is based upon a supposed curse]

* "And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites." (3 Nephi 2:15) [Note: So...to be "uncursed" is to have your skin turn white...per white-and-delightsome Mormonism, that is!]

Some Mormons talk as if a darker skin color as-a-supposed-curse was just ONLY some talk in the past. Uh, no! Look at the verses above -- Alma 3:6 and Jacob 3:5, for example. They also talk as if the "curse of Ham" being a darker skin color was also just some teaching that's been jettisoned. Well, then why is the Book of Abraham phrasing still there (see Book of Abraham 1:24-27) in their Mormon "scripture" -- the Pearl of Great Price?

Mormons...when are you going to take the scissors & cut these passages out of your Book of Mormon?...false prophets, indeed!


11 posted on 12/09/2013 9:03:24 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Jet Jaguar
"The Church disavows the theories advanced in the past previously sacrosanct, official Church doctrine that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse, [...]

There, fixed it!

Regards,

15 posted on 12/09/2013 9:18:55 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; All
From the article: ...theories

Well, there goes the ENTIRE Mormon "revelation" system ... that Joseph Smith "revealed" what He supposedly "heard" the Mormon gods tell him.

Take, for example, his mid-1835 "revelation."

At that point, Smith was churning out new “Scripture.” Smith was taking aim at new converts. But in that time, did he believe the Mormon “gospel” to be aimed at slaves? (No, not unless express “permission” was granted by their “owners”).

Could you imagine a verse still applicable today—one similar to the Mormon scripture of Doctrine & Covenants 134:12—which would tell you in effect that yes, the gospel was for women who are sexually trafficked--but only if their Pimp-owner says "Yes?".

I mean, imagine if you will, for a moment, that you are the God of the universe; God of every planet; God of the earth; Creator of every person. Imagine for a moment you are speaking forth universal eternal truth. And then imagine that someone claims you (as God) made the following “Scriptural” statement:

Doctrine & Covenants 134:12:
”We believe it just to preach the gospel to the nations of the earth, and warn the righteous to save themselves from the corruption of the world; but we do not believe it right to interfere with bond-servants, neither preach the gospel to, nor baptize them contrary to the will and wish of their masters, nor to meddle with or influence them in the least to cause them to be dissatisfied with their situations in this life, thereby jeopardizing the lives of men; such interference we believe to be unlawful and unjust, and dangerous to the peace of every government allowing human beings to be held in servitude.”

D&C 134:12 is LDS “Doctrine” that has never been removed or rescinded!!! Until TODAY!!!

Now, the Mormon Church leadership has said that it's ENTIRE revelation process is simply based upon Joseph Smith's theories.

This passage makes it quite clear – in contrast to the apostle Paul who vied for the religious freedom of Onesimus while treating him as a full Christian brother and encouraged Philemon to do the same--that somehow, Joseph Smith thought that "religious freedom" applied to everyone except slaves!

And the Mormon Church has just gone on record (generically speaking)...repudiating Joseph Smith himself!!!!

And here we thought -- with passages like D&C 134:12... written in 1835 pro-slavery America-- had made it quite clear that instead of the Mormons having a universal god who issued eternal truth applicable to all cultures, he is instead an American-sounding god who speaks only in King James English & was beholden to the American slavery industry.

Up until today, D&C 134:12 "settled" the issue for the Mormon: Are slaves & trafficking victims worthy of the "gospel?" LDS past answer? Nope! "neither preach the gospel to, nor baptize them..." says LDS "Scripture.

And why not? Well, says D&C 134:12: We don't want ya ta meddle with the Mastuhs' business “property,” or to say it as precisely as LDS "scripture" says it: nor to meddle with or influence them in the least to cause them to be dissatisfied with their situations in this life...

(Nah. We can't have unhappy slaves or trafficking victims now, can we? Too disturbing to their "stations" of life, eh?)

But now...............as of Dec. 9, 2013...

Just as Obama can pick & choose which parts of ObamaCare to enforce (or not), Mormons are NOW allowed to pick & choose which "scriptures" they want to believe are relevant! And which originated in sheer man-made theory! Many Mormon standard works are simply "theory"...as admitted to by the Lds General Authorities!

16 posted on 12/09/2013 9:19:54 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Noted.


17 posted on 12/09/2013 9:23:22 PM PST by Defiant (Obama is The Bard of Canard.)
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To: teppe; All
When did your church first allow black pasters?

ALL: Mormon Teppe is trying to equivocate the Mormon priesthood with Protestant clergy.

Hey...even 12-year-old white boys were part of the broad "Mormon priesthood."

12-year-old white boys could go inside Mormon temples; but not blacks. (They couldn't even make it inside in early 1978!!!)

18 posted on 12/09/2013 9:25:18 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Do not make this thread "about" individual Freepers. That is also a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

19 posted on 12/09/2013 9:29:18 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: teppe
Teppe, do you -- or don't you -- embrace Doctrine & Covenants 134:12?

Yes?

No?

(I'll interpret a silent response on that to be "yes")

20 posted on 12/09/2013 9:30:20 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Jet Jaguar; All
From the article: The ban ended in 1978...

The ban ended due to the 12th Lds "prophet" -- Spencer Kimball.

That means that the 11 preceding Mormon "prophets" were all racists per this admission...along with the hundreds of general authorities in charge.

Example: Mormon Apostle Delbert L. Stapley's 1964 Racist Letter To Governor George Romney

21 posted on 12/09/2013 9:36:45 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Jet Jaguar

Well, they still call anyone of color, like people from Tonga, Lamanites.

Seems fairly bigoted to me.


22 posted on 12/09/2013 9:41:28 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Defiant

Hebrew Hindu’s


23 posted on 12/09/2013 9:42:39 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: teppe

There never was a time my Christ did not allow dark skinned men to be pastors of the church.
You see my God, doesn’t change His mind based on what’s popular.


24 posted on 12/09/2013 9:56:26 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: Joshua Marcus

wow
How magnanimous of you........threatening people who post on FR.
Religion is man made.......and yet you post on FR a God fearing site.


26 posted on 12/09/2013 10:07:33 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: Joshua Marcus

well, bye.


27 posted on 12/09/2013 10:11:40 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

No longer “curse of Cain” as originated by Jos. Smith, perhaps explained or more fully expounded by Brig. Young but Smith made original statements “as directed by God.”


28 posted on 12/09/2013 10:51:24 PM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Joshua Marcus

Well, bye....


29 posted on 12/10/2013 12:01:44 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: teppe; svcw

“svcw ... there was a time when your church didn’t allow black pastors either.”


But isn’t YOUR church the true church of God on Earth led by PROPHETS who hear directly from God?

Guess not, eh?


30 posted on 12/10/2013 12:32:41 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Joshua Marcus

“Join the rest of the humans. Religion is man-made and fallible. Shut you phucking trap about the beautiful Mormons whom are the most kind people on this world which I, myself, have the pleasure of being a part of. And I am not a ‘Peter Priest’ either—I’ll kick your azz if I heard you say such crap about those I love, and who love me.”


Tee hee! An atheist Mormon! And a violent one too!

Sorry, but YOUR religion is man made. Don’t lump Christianity with the frauds of Joseph Smith, okay?


31 posted on 12/10/2013 12:34:39 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: teppe

Merry Smithmas and all that Shiz!

;^)


32 posted on 12/10/2013 1:54:39 AM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Jet Jaguar; StormPrepper; restornu; Normandy; teppe; trebb
"History and changes all happen due to time. This is way past due,"

So the MOST correct book and the Voice of GOD handed down thru LIVING Prophets® changes once again.

What a phony 'religion' this MormonISM be!

33 posted on 12/10/2013 3:29:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
And the Mormon Church has just gone on record (generically speaking)...repudiating Joseph Smith himself!!!!

Such reinvention! Which was in order to adapt to society, as with Rome sanctioning Bible reading in the common tongue without special permission, having lost her power to otherwise.

34 posted on 12/10/2013 3:35:25 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: svcw

QUOTE: The statement, posted Friday, says the ban was put into place during an era of great racial divide that influenced early teachings of the church.

http://news.yahoo.com/mormon-church-explains-past-ban-black-priests-012138433.html

Uh... Should not the ‘church’ have been DOING the ‘influencing’, instead of the other way around?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
MORE...
 
 While he noted that he doesn't speak for the church, he said he believes the next step is getting more black Mormons into church leadership positions.
 
Why not?  The 'church' has GAYS in leadership 'positions'!
 
 
 
Even more...
 
"Maybe the Lord just determined this is the time for it to happen," Harwell said, "that this is when people are going to be able to accept it for what it is."
Dammnit!  This is what you folks have a Living Prophet© for; to ELIMINATE the MAYBEs in your minds!!!
 
 
 

 


35 posted on 12/10/2013 3:41:07 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe; svcw
You presume the poster is not part of the evangelical type camp that worked for the abolishment of slavery:

Christian abolitionism

Although many abolitionists opposed slavery on purely philosophical reasons, anti-slavery movements attracted strong religious elements. Throughout Europe and the United States, Christians, usually from 'un-institutional' Christian faith movements, not directly connected with traditional state churches, or "non-conformist" believers within established churches, were to be found at the forefront of the abolitionist movements.[86][87]

Although not explicitly expressing an abolitionist point of view, the Portuguese Dominican Gaspar da Cruz in 1569 strongly criticized the Portuguese traffic in Chinese slaves, explaining that any arguments by the slave traders that they "legally" purchased already-enslaved children were bogus.[88]

In particular, the effects of the Second Great Awakening resulted in many evangelicals working to see the theoretical Christian view, that all people are essentially equal, made more of a practical reality. Freedom of expression within the Western world also helped in enabling opportunity to express their position. Prominent among these abolitionists was Parliamentarian William Wilberforce in England, who wrote in his diary when he was 28 that, "God Almighty has set before me two great objects, the suppression of the Slave Trade and Reformation of Morals."[89] With others he labored, despite determined opposition, to finally abolish the British slave trade. The famous English preacher Charles Spurgeon had some of his sermons burned in America due to his censure of slavery, calling it "the foulest blot" and which "may have to be washed out in blood."[90] Methodist founder John Wesley denounced human bondage as "the sum of all villainies," and detailed its abuses.[91] In Georgia, primitive Methodists united with brethren elsewhere in condemning slavery. Many evangelical leaders in the United States such as Presbyterian Charles Finney and Theodore Weld, and women such as Harriet Beecher Stowe (daughter of abolitionist Lyman Beecher) and Sojourner Truth motivated hearers to support abolition. Finney preached that slavery was a moral sin, and so supported its elimination. "I had made up my mind on the question of slavery, and was exceedingly anxious to arouse public attention to the subject. In my prayers and preaching, I so often alluded to slavery, and denounced it.[92] Repentance from slavery was required of souls, once enlightened of the subject, while continued support of the system incurred "the greatest guilt" upon them.[93]

Quakers in particular were early leaders in abolitionism. In 1688 Dutch Quakers in Germantown, Pennsylvania, sent an antislavery petition to the Monthly Meeting of Quakers. By 1727 British Quakers had expressed their official disapproval of the slave trade.[94] Three Quaker abolitionists, Benjamin Lay, John Woolman, and Anthony Benezet, devoted their lives to the abolitionist effort from the 1730s to the 1760s, with Lay founding the Negro School in 1770, which would serve more than 250 pupils.[95] In June 1783 a petition from the London Yearly Meeting and signed by over 300 Quakers was presented to Parliament protesting the slave trade.[96]

In 1787 the Society for Effecting the Abolition of the Slave Trade was formed, with 9 of the 12 founder members being Quakers. During the same year, William Wilberforce was persuaded to take up their cause; as an MP, Wilberforce was able to introduce a bill to abolish the slave trade. Wilberforce first attempted to abolish the trade in 1791, but could only muster half the necessary votes; however, after transferring his support to the Whigs, it became an election issue. Abolitionist pressure had changed popular opinion, and in the 1806 election enough abolitionists entered parliament for Wilberforce to be able to see the passing of the Slave Trade Act 1807. The Royal Navy subsequently declared that the slave trade was equal to piracy, the West Africa Squadron choosing to seize ships involved in the transfer of slaves and liberate the slaves on board, effectively crippling the transatlantic trade. Through abolitionist efforts, popular opinion continued to mount against slavery, and in 1833 slavery itself was outlawed throughout the British Empire - at that time containing roughly 1/6 of the world's population (rising to 1/4 towards the end of the century).

The abolition movement faced much opposition. Bertram Wyatt-Brown notes that the appearance of the Christian abolitionist movement "with its religious ideology alarmed newsmen, politicians, and ordinary citizens. They angrily predicted the endangerment of secular democracy, the mongrelization, as it was called, of white society, and the destruction of the federal union. Speakers at huge rallies and editors of conservative papers in the North denounced these newcomers to radical reform as the same old “church-and-state” zealots, who tried to shut down post offices, taverns, carriage companies, shops, and other public places on Sundays. Mob violence sometimes ensued." A postal campaign in 1835 by the American Anti-Slavery Society (AA-SS) - founded by African-American Presbyterian clergyman Theodore S. Wright - sent bundles of tracts and newspapers(over 100,000) to prominent clerical, legal, and political figures throughout the whole country, and culminated in massive demonstrations throughout the North and South.[97] In attempting to stop these mailings, New York Postmaster Samuel L.Gouverneur unsuccessfully requested the AA-SS to cease sending it to the South. He therefore decided that he would “aid in preserving the public peace” by refusing to allow the mails to carry abolition pamphlets to the South himself, with the new Postmaster General Amos Kendall affirming, even though he admitted he had no legal authority to do so.[98][99][100][101] This resulted in the AA-SS resorting to other and clandestine means of dissemination.

Despite such determined opposition, many Methodist, Baptist, and Presbyterian members freed their slaves and sponsored black congregations, in which many black ministers encouraged slaves to believe that freedom could be gained during their lifetime. After a great revival occurred in 1801 at Cane Ridge, Kentucky, American Methodists made anti-slavery sentiments a condition of church membership.[102] Abolitionist writings, such as "A Condensed Anti-Slavery Bible Argument" (1845) by George Bourne,[103] and "God Against Slavery" (1857) by George B. Cheever,[104] used the Bible, logic and reason extensively in contending against the institution of slavery, and in particular the chattel form of it as seen in the South.

Other Protestant missionaries of the Great Awakening initially opposed slavery in the South, but by the early decades of the 19th century, many Baptist and Methodist preachers in the South had come to an accommodation with it in order to evangelize the farmers and workers. Disagreements between the newer way of thinking and the old often created schisms within denominations at the time. Differences in views toward slavery resulted in the Baptist and Methodist churches dividing into regional associations by the beginning of the Civil War.[105]

36 posted on 12/10/2013 3:43:19 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Jim Robinson

oops, I should have read a little further


37 posted on 12/10/2013 3:43:20 AM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

What’s a “Peter Priest”? Not that you said it but I can’t address the poster that did say it, as he’s no longer here.

Was he referring to St. Peter or something else?

Just trying to learn more about the mormon “religion”.


38 posted on 12/10/2013 3:47:03 AM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: teppe
Why is it that you aren’t able to follow Christ’s example to avoid hypocrisy?

Huh?

Where did you get a crazy idea like THAT??




In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.


1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)     http://www.lds.org/liahona/1981/06/fourteen-fundamentals-in-following-the-prophet?lang=eng

39 posted on 12/10/2013 4:07:04 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Anton.Rutter
Isn’t that like a Jew joining the SS?DECEPTION is no respecter of skin color.
40 posted on 12/10/2013 4:07:55 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Defiant

Blazing Saddles redux


41 posted on 12/10/2013 4:08:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe
svcw ... there was a time when your church didn’t allow black pastors either.

And others things as well, according to the MEN MORMONs look up to!!



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

42 posted on 12/10/2013 4:10:20 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe; StormPrepper
Why is it that you aren’t able to follow Christ’s example to avoid hypocrisy?


Speaking of following...

If a MORMON 'follows' the Prophet; he cannot be led astray; right??


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

43 posted on 12/10/2013 4:12:38 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe; StormPrepper
...I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given...








"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)





Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

 

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

 

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

 



 

44 posted on 12/10/2013 4:13:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe; StormPrepper

Official Declaration—2

 

To Whom It May Concern:

On 30 September 1978, at the 148th Semiannual General Conference of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the following was presented by President N. Eldon Tanner, First Counselor in the First Presidency of the Church:

In early June of this year, the First Presidency announced that a revelation had been received by President Spencer W. Kimball extending priesthood and temple blessings to all worthy male members of the Church. President Kimball has asked that I advise the conference that after he had received this revelation, which came to him after extended meditation and prayer in the sacred rooms of the holy temple, he presented it to his counselors, who accepted it and approved it. It was then presented to the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, who unanimously approved it, and was subsequently presented to all other General Authorities, who likewise approved it unanimously.

President Kimball has asked that I now read this letter:

June 8, 1978
To all general and local priesthood officers of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints throughout the world:
Dear Brethren:

As we have witnessed the expansion of the work of the Lord over the earth, we have been grateful that people of many nations have responded to the message of the restored gospel, and have joined the Church in ever-increasing numbers. This, in turn, has inspired us with a desire to extend to every worthy member of the Church all of the privileges and blessings which the gospel affords.

Aware of the promises made by the prophets and presidents of the Church who have preceded us that at some time, in God’s eternal plan, all of our brethren who are worthy may receive the priesthood, and witnessing the faithfulness of those from whom the priesthood has been withheld, we have pleaded long and earnestly in behalf of these, our faithful brethren, spending many hours in the Upper Room of the Temple supplicating the Lord for divine guidance.

He has heard our prayers, and by revelation has confirmed that the long-promised day has come when every faithful, worthy man in the Church may receive the holy priesthood, with power to exercise its divine authority, and enjoy with his loved ones every blessing that flows therefrom, including the blessings of the temple. Accordingly, all worthy male members of the Church may be ordained to the priesthood without regard for race or color. Priesthood leaders are instructed to follow the policy of carefully interviewing all candidates for ordination to either the Aaronic or the Melchizedek Priesthood to insure that they meet the established standards for worthiness.

We declare with soberness that the Lord has now made known his will for the blessing of all his children throughout the earth who will hearken to the voice of his authorized servants, and prepare themselves to receive every blessing of the gospel.

Sincerely yours,
Spencer W. Kimball
N. Eldon Tanner
Marion G. Romney
The First Presidency

Recognizing Spencer W. Kimball as the prophet, seer, and revelator, and president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, it is proposed that we as a constituent assembly accept this revelation as the word and will of the Lord. All in favor please signify by raising your right hand. Any opposed by the same sign.

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous in the affirmative.

Salt Lake City, Utah, September 30, 1978.

45 posted on 12/10/2013 4:14:38 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe; StormPrepper
Very interesting!!
 

In December 2010, the LDS Church made changes to the non-canonical chapter summaries and also to some of the footnotes in its online version of the Book of Mormon. In Second Nephi chapter 5, the original wording was: "Because of their unbelief, the Lamanites are cursed, receive a skin of blackness, and become a scourge unto the Nephites."

The phrase, "skin of blackness" was removed and became: "Because of their unbelief, the Lamanites are cut off from the presence of the Lord, are cursed, and become a scourge unto the Nephites."[26]

The second change appears in summary of Mormon chapter 5. Formerly, it included the phrase that "the Lamanites shall be a dark, filthy, and loathsome people ..." The new version deleted the phrase "dark, loathsome, and filthy" and now reads, "... the Lamanites will be scattered, and the Spirit will cease to strive with them."[26][27]

These changes are seen by some critics to be another step in the evolution of the text of the Book of Mormon to delete racist language from it.[26] On the other hand, some believers in the Book of Mormon, such as Marvin Perkins, see these changes as better conforming the chapter headers and footnotes to the meaning of the text in light of the LDS Church's 1978 Revelation on Priesthood.[28] In an interview, a former BYU graduate student suggested that the changes were made for "clarity, a change in emphasis and to stick closer to the scriptural language."[26]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamanite

 

No changes to the PRINTED version? I guess 'research' into MORMON 'scripture' online is biting headquarters in the BUTT!

46 posted on 12/10/2013 4:15:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
And the Mormon Church has just gone on record (generically speaking)...repudiating Joseph Smith himself!!!!

But!! (sputter - hiss) THAT ain't SCRIPTURE!!!

--MormonDude(So many unGODlike revelations these days. What's a MORMON to believe???)

47 posted on 12/10/2013 4:17:10 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian


I sure as HELL disavow THIS one!!!

10 We believe that all religious societies have a right to deal with their members for disorderly conduct, aaccording to the rules and regulations of such societies; provided that such dealings be for fellowship and good standing; but we do not believe that any religious society has bauthority to try men on the right of property or life, to take from them this world’s goods, or to put them in jeopardy of either life or limb, or to inflict any physical punishment upon them. They can only excommunicate them from their society, and withdraw from them their fellowship.



48 posted on 12/10/2013 4:22:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
Ya really gotta admire the abilities of the spinmeisters of MORMONism!
 
http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?locale=0&sourceId=6a4b48bf641ab010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=21bc9fbee98db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD

49 posted on 12/10/2013 4:23:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
That means that the 11 preceding Mormon "prophets" were all racists per this admission...along with the hundreds of general authorities in charge.

reply #39 touches on this...

50 posted on 12/10/2013 4:24:46 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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