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Vladimir Putin claims Russia is moral compass of the world
The Telegraph ^ | 12 December 2013 | Damien McElroy

Posted on 12/12/2013 10:08:57 AM PST by AnalogReigns

Vladimir Putin sought to cast Russia as the moral arbiter of the world on Thursday, as he hit out at America’s “non-traditional values” and its influence across the world. In an annual state of the nation address, the 61-year-old Russian president said his country did not aspire to be “some kind of superpower”. “We do not infringe on anyone’s interests, we do not force our patronage on anyone, or try to teach anyone how to live,” he said. His comments amounted to an oblique rebuttal to the growing international movement against Russia’s restrictive laws on homosexuality. ... Mr Putin defended his government’s increasingly conservative values and decried the “review of norms of morality” in the West and elsewhere.

“This destruction of traditional values from above not only entails negative consequences for society, but is also inherently anti-democratic because it is based on an abstract notion and runs counter to the will of the majority of people,” Mr Putin said, adding there could be no benefit for society for treating “good and evil” equally. In his 70-minute televised speech from an ornate Kremlin hall, Mr Putin said traditional family values where a bulwark against “so-called tolerance – genderless and infertile.” Critics of the speech were quick to point that post-Soviet Russia has seen a deep and damaging decline in its birth rates to among the lowest of any developed nation....

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Orthodox Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: corruption; morality; putin; russia; traditionalvalues; vladimirputin
The article is rather snarky, and Putin is surely a brute--but he does claim to be a Christian...and he does uphold explicitly Christian values in Russia (much like the old Czars used to do...brutally). I think he has a real point about the West, and, the USA.
1 posted on 12/12/2013 10:08:57 AM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns

He’s a Christian? Lololol


2 posted on 12/12/2013 10:11:23 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: AnalogReigns

Just like Iran has no queers.


3 posted on 12/12/2013 10:13:53 AM PST by Theoria (Obama lied. My health care died.)
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To: AnalogReigns
I think he has a real point about the West, and, the USA.

Yes he does and I am glad he is speaking about it, no one in the GOP would.

What a strange world we live in.

4 posted on 12/12/2013 10:16:32 AM PST by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: AnalogReigns
He upholds Christian values because, traditionally, the church (both Orthodox and Roman Catholic) functions as an arm of the State, dating back to the NKVD.

He's simply looking-out for his "friends."

5 posted on 12/12/2013 10:16:57 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: AnalogReigns

I would have to disagree with Mr. Putin.


6 posted on 12/12/2013 10:19:00 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: AnalogReigns
Vladimir Putin sought to cast Russia as the moral arbiter of the world on Thursday, as he hit out at America’s “non-traditional values” and its influence across the world. In an annual state of the nation address, the 61-year-old Russian president said his country did not aspire to be “some kind of superpower”. “We do not infringe on anyone’s interests, we do not force our patronage on anyone, or try to teach anyone how to live,” he said.
In the East there is someone that causes the western liberal's maniacal laughter to stop. Vladimir Putin. He has real world power, which causes the liberal media to fearfully ignore or warp his image. Like a good Christian King he leads a nation to Christ. Deep down in their evil souls they shriek like devils because they know Christ is true God and true power that they cannot defeat. They thought the Bolshevik revolution destroyed Holy Mother Russia. Christ cannot be defeated and his servant Putin has welcomed Christ and His church.
-- from the thread US threatened by Russia's Christianity
The anti-Christian Obama has allied himself with Al-Qaeda rebels in Syria where 2 Bishops are still held captive, priests and other Christians are martyred. This is the "Hope and Change" he promised. Those who voted for Obama are held responsible as though they pulled the trigger or swung the blade to decapitate. It will go worse for those who are Christian leaders who ignore the martyrs of the East. Why are they not at the White House everyday protesting to spare the Christians and stop the violence?
-- from the thread American Judas
How's this for a fish story: In the latest episode of Vladimir Putin's ongoing rugged outdoorsman fantasy adventure series, the Russian president, clad in a camouflage jacket and hat, appears to catch a massive pike...Russia's defense minister, who was on the trip, says the fish weighed between 26.4 and 33 pounds, but a Putin spokesman pegs the weight at 46.3 pounds. Russian bloggers are for some reason a tad skeptical. Several have posted images of bigger fish they've caught themselves that have weighed far less. "They must have forgotten to unfreeze the pike," one social network post quipped. Another wrote, "The Kremlin must have weighed the pike the way they count the votes." Come on guys. It's not like Putin would fake a spectacular exploit.
-- from the online article Putin Catches '46-Pound Fish'
American Judas
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7 posted on 12/12/2013 10:20:51 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: AnalogReigns

“Vladimir Putin sought to cast Russia as the moral arbiter of the world”

....damn site more than Obama and the USA!


8 posted on 12/12/2013 10:26:24 AM PST by kenmcg
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To: AnalogReigns

Sadly, there is an element of truth to the point. Who is standing for the Christians of Syria, and who is helping the attackers?


9 posted on 12/12/2013 10:28:19 AM PST by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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To: usurper

This is considered hate speech coming from a politician here.


10 posted on 12/12/2013 10:29:29 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Darteaus94025

Interesting. I wonder what Putin’s reasoning was when he funneled Russian arms to the Syrians, and the Syrians in turn were funneling them into Iraq.


11 posted on 12/12/2013 10:32:19 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: AnalogReigns
Putin and his his Russian Nationalist supporters say and do things that support Christianity and traditional non Communist Russian moral values and protect Russians, while showing respect for Russian law and procedures. Some of the speeches and personal appearances are rhetoric and optics, while others are undeniably statesmanship. We will have to wait to be sure of what Putin finally accomplishes for Russia and elsewhere.

Obama and regime Democrats say they support Christianity and American moral values, but they only do things that undermine and destroy those values and promote and finance the strengthening of Socialism, Islam and authoritarian appointed government, while showing no respect for Rule of Law, undermining the American economy and fomenting violent insurrection in numerous foreign nations while supporting known terrorists. Here, we don't have to wait to be sure that a sincere law abiding Christian benevolent President accomplishes justice in America, Obama assures us he will.

12 posted on 12/12/2013 10:42:10 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: 1rudeboy
He upholds Christian values because, traditionally, the church (both Orthodox and Roman Catholic) functions as an arm of the State, dating back to the NKVD. He's simply looking-out for his "friends."

Actually that close relationship goes back to the Tsars who imported Caesaropapism from the Byzantines.

13 posted on 12/12/2013 10:45:56 AM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan

I’ll admit, my knowledge of Russian history only extends into the Tsarist era.


14 posted on 12/12/2013 10:48:41 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
He was probably thinking: What's good for Russia is good; what's bad for Russia is bad. Similarly, what's bad for Russia's competitors (EU, US, etc.) is good; what's good for Russia's competitors is bad.

The problem, as I see it, is the US is now devolving to the same calculus since "...we are no longer a Christian nation..."
15 posted on 12/12/2013 10:50:19 AM PST by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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To: Darteaus94025

I’m not splitting hairs, or trying to pick a fight with you, but that’s not very “Christian” of our dear comrade Vladi.


16 posted on 12/12/2013 10:54:28 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: AnalogReigns

As a politician this guy is slick.


17 posted on 12/12/2013 10:59:10 AM PST by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: AnalogReigns

Russia is a far more moral country than many other places except in one regard. Abortion. Russia has one of the highest abortion rates anywhere and they’re suffering for it. I’m glad to see many lawmakers and religious leaders in Russia have said its time to start cracking down on the abortion industry for the good of the country.


18 posted on 12/12/2013 11:04:59 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: Navy Patriot

Whites are not allowed a strong white male icon..its part of the accentuated diversity plan.

Boehner ...boner.....thats an approved white icon.


19 posted on 12/12/2013 11:06:15 AM PST by Therapsid (t)
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To: 1rudeboy

Russia has claimed to be the moral compass of the world calling itself the Third Rome; home of the leadership of the Christian world. First of course Rome itself, then Constantinople when the Eastern and Western Churches split, finally Moscow when Constantinople fell in 1453.


20 posted on 12/12/2013 11:14:51 AM PST by C19fan
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To: Therapsid
Whites are not allowed a strong white male icon..its part of the accentuated diversity plan.

Valid point, fits the Negro agenda, the homosexual agenda, the Femanazi agenda, the intellectual educational agenda, the socialist agenda, the third world agenda, yeah, I can see why the world hates Putin, why, if he wasn't a Communist, think of the trouble he could cause.

21 posted on 12/12/2013 11:18:55 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: NormsRevenge

More Christian than the SCOTUS and the ACLU.


22 posted on 12/12/2013 11:24:46 AM PST by 353FMG
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To: AnalogReigns

Nazi felt superior as a traditional ueber race, Leninists because they fantasized about being a progressed advance race, but we Americans because we are gay...

Putin is ridiculing the West.


23 posted on 12/12/2013 11:45:42 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: AnalogReigns

“Moral compass of the world” might be, ahem, a bit grandiose on Putin’s part, but America certainly seems to be in a mad dash to be the moral cesspit of the world.

The way America is diving headlong into depravity and evil, it does make for a startling reversal of the old dichotomy of the cold war days. Putin at least seems quite cognizant of taking his country in the direction of long-term survival, while America sinks down the rat-hole of perversion and dysfunction. Never would have predicted it a few short years ago, but it does now look likely that Russia will outlast America.


24 posted on 12/12/2013 12:09:16 PM PST by greene66
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To: AnalogReigns

I don,t know if they are or not but at least they don,t have a president that supports same sex marriage.


25 posted on 12/12/2013 12:09:55 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: AnalogReigns
I never thought that I would see the day that KGB colonel Vlad Putin would lecture us on capitalism and morality.

The world is truly up side down.

5.56mm

26 posted on 12/12/2013 12:26:06 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Darteaus94025

U.S. going the way of Gomorrah. Sad.


27 posted on 12/12/2013 12:46:37 PM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: AnalogReigns

Obama and his policies are making it very easy for Putin to claim this.


28 posted on 12/12/2013 1:53:01 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: usurper

Agreed!!


29 posted on 12/12/2013 2:15:32 PM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: M Kehoe

It’s primarily “upside down” because of the downside this country has elected.


30 posted on 12/12/2013 2:18:02 PM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: Theoria

“Just like Iran has no queers.”


Yeah. A real phenomenon.


31 posted on 12/12/2013 4:19:33 PM PST by ourworldawry
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To: AnalogReigns
We do not infringe on anyone’s interests

KGB Putin's revanchist Neo-Soviet Russia invaded the nation of Georgia and ethnically cleansed thousands of innocent Christian civilians. Putin is a genocidal mass-murderer of women and children. Putin does not think the extermination of Georgians is infringing on "anyone" because he does not consider Georgians to be human beings.

Putin has no morality and he serves his master Satan the Devil.

32 posted on 12/12/2013 7:26:48 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: AnalogReigns

33 posted on 12/12/2013 7:40:21 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: M Kehoe

Upside down and inside out.


34 posted on 12/12/2013 7:43:31 PM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: AnalogReigns

Why doesn’t he admit that much of the subversion of the west into a sewer is Russia’s fault???


35 posted on 12/12/2013 8:02:18 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: AnalogReigns
"Vladimir Putin claims Russia is moral compass of the world"

Add that to the obama legasy.
36 posted on 12/13/2013 6:55:47 AM PST by clearcarbon
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To: greene66
“Moral compass of the world” might be, ahem, a bit grandiose on Putin’s part, but America certainly seems to be in a mad dash to be the moral cesspit of the world. The way America is diving headlong into depravity and evil, it does make for a startling reversal of the old dichotomy of the cold war days. Putin at least seems quite cognizant of taking his country in the direction of long-term survival, while America sinks down the rat-hole of perversion and dysfunction. Never would have predicted it a few short years ago, but it does now look likely that Russia will outlast America.

Best comment yet, but Russia has more crimes in its past.

37 posted on 12/13/2013 8:24:28 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: M Kehoe
I never thought that I would see the day that KGB colonel Vlad Putin would lecture us on capitalism and morality. The world is truly up side down. Indeed, even if his ethos is rather selective.
38 posted on 12/13/2013 8:25:16 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Viennacon

According to this Russia’s abortion rate has declined steeply from the unreal numbers in the early 90’s. But I still think it is high as compared to the US. There where around 42 abortions per 100 live births in 2012 Russia, in 2003 USA there were 24 from what I have found, which supports your idea. It could be that they are just using better birth control now, I suppose. Does anyone know if there is an official Russian Orthodox position on birth control within marriage? I have heard different things from posters on here before.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2013/02/09/are-there-really-13-abortions-for-every-10-live-births-in-russia/

“So, in 2012 there were about 42 abortions per 100 live births, not 130. The last time the number of abortions exceeded the number of births by 30% or more was in 2002. Additionally, rather than representing “the most grisly statistic the world has ever seen,” an abortion rate 30% larger than the birth rate was actually a huge improvement from rates that prevailed in the early 1990s”

According to this, there was a peak of something like 280 abortions per 100 live births in the early 90’s.

Freegards


39 posted on 12/13/2013 8:42:50 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed

It’s a little less centralized than the Vatican, so I’m not pulling anything up on just a quick search. There are pages on just general Orthodox tenets, Greek in particular, which condemn abortion as a grave sin.

Here is a good link though. I doubt this man would say such things without the consent of the church at large.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/russian-orthodox-spokesman-abortion-is-the-most-terrible-holocaust-in-human/

“I am glad that there are representatives of different generations, social strata and spiritually ready to stand up for Holy Russia. Orthodoxy - not only prayer but also a civil action, as mentioned by Patriarch Kirill - we need to pray, think and act, to live in [a] Russia where abortion is morally unacceptable,” Fr. Chaplin said.

Like you say, Russia still has a real problem with abortion, but it is trying to improve. They need to, or they are in real demographic trouble. If memory serves, the woman who introduced the homosexual propaganda law is now trying to introduce legislation similar to Texas’, where they put medical restrictions on clinics


40 posted on 12/13/2013 9:03:39 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

Right, to my understanding the Russian Orthodox Church has always officially been against abortion. But I have heard different things regarding birth control within marriage. One of the things I have heard is that BC within marriage is OK as long as a spiritual advisor (presumably a priest) approves. I don’t know if such approval is almost always given, almost never given, somewhere in between, if the Russian Orthodox don’t bother with asking, or if it isn’t true in the first place.

In other words, is the drastic decrease in abortion due to folks deciding to have babies or access to better western birth control practices after the iron curtain fell? One is more healthy than the other, in my opinion.

Freegards


41 posted on 12/13/2013 9:23:06 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed

I think a lot of clinics have been shut down. Gosnell-type places. You have to remember Russia is sort of a wild-west in about 80% of its landmass. What are the chances an abortion clinic is going to be sanitary way out in Artyomovsk? The Russians may have been gradually centralizing abortion practices to relatively large towns and cities, making them harder for rural folk to seek out. Also, I bet it does have something to do with the rising affiliation with Russian Orthodoxy. Atheism has all but collapsed in Russia (down to 13% from something like 60% after the Soviet Union collapsed. Nowhere have atheists taken a bigger hit in their numbers.

Now, many of those are non-observant, but observant membership has also been rising within Orthodoxy itself. Church has become somewhat fashionable in a country that has experienced serfdom, hedonism, communism and everything in between.

Birth control likely plays a large role too, but I’d say that more people deciding to have children is a factor more-so than in the last five years.. Russia is reversing its demographic trend slowly but surely. It’s becoming a more opportunity-rich country, and the media there promote families (no doubt under nudging from the Kremlin, who want more babies).


42 posted on 12/13/2013 9:38:07 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

I hope you are right. The most unusual cultural aspect about the whole thing is that here you have a culture that seems to accept abortion, albeit with drastically lowering abortion rates, but also seems to be rejecting the homosexualist agenda. This is something that I can’t think has ever happened before, at least in the West.

Freegards


43 posted on 12/13/2013 9:55:02 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed

Time will tell. Russian opinion of homosexuality has changed in just a decade. Give it another ten years for their views to shift on abortion.


44 posted on 12/13/2013 10:00:50 PM PST by Viennacon
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“Russian opinion of homosexuality has changed in just a decade.”

Could you elaborate? How/what did it change from?

Freegards


45 posted on 12/14/2013 6:45:52 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed

The number of Russians who support various laws preventing homosexual activity

http://rbth.ru/news/2013/06/11/most_russians_want_gay_propaganda_to_be_banned_-_poll_26970.htmlties has increased since the 90s.

“A relative majority of respondents (42 percent) said homosexual relations must carry criminal liability, compared to 19 percent in 2007. Twenty-five percent said homosexuality must be publicly scorned (compared to 18 percent in 2007), 15 percent proposed imposing fines on homosexuals (compared to 12 percent in 2007) and 15 percent said it is an individual’s private affair (compared to 34 percent in 2007),” VTSIOM said in a press release, received by Interfax on Tuesday.


46 posted on 12/14/2013 8:20:39 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

Thanks. Wow, that seems to be a really good sign.

Freegards


47 posted on 12/14/2013 9:05:18 AM PST by Ransomed
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