Posted on 12/13/2013 11:31:40 AM PST by Gamecock
No one said he was the first...But Jesus said Paul was picked to sent to the Gentiles while Peter would go to the Jews...
The church hierarchy was ‘created’ by man through the extrapolation of things in the Word of God. ‘Pope’ is a man-made ‘office’. All religion is man-made. Jesus did not come to create a religion. He came to reconcile us to God, the Father. He came to us as a Brother, that we might become as He is.
This does not require a ‘Pope’. It requires a personal relationship with Yeshua, Jesus Christ the Messiah, the Son of God, God. It requires a relationship with God, the Father. And it requires nuturing and leading by the Holy Spirit in our lives.
Jesus the Christ, Son of the Almighty God, God, is our mediator. “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” 1 Timothy 2:5.
All else is man-made. All things man-made will collapse.
So Paul, immediately upon his conversion desires to go to Jerusalem to share his testimony. But Christ does not allow that, sending him instead to Arabia for three years. Important years, in the time frame of the beginnings of Christianity.
Which brings up another fascinating topic: Why was Peter sent to Cornelius? Remember Paul had just been saved, and sent not to Jerusalem,but to Arabia, per Christ's instructions. Was Peter following the "great commission" when he went to Cornelius? The Bible says no. This was a special commission, given to Peter by special revelation in a vision. IF the gospel of the kingdom was in order, then why the need for a special revelation? It would have been the logical step to go to a Gentile with the word of God. No, it's so much more than that which was going on.
Mt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, . . .
Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Lk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Ac 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
I don't think your scenario will hold up. Many apostles were still in Jerusalem 14+ years after Jesus gave the command, not to "stay" (except until they were endued with power), but to "GO!" They were disobedient, thinking this megachurch in Jerusalem (some 8,000 or more souls) could not do without them, thus overriding His command and disobeying. IMHO Did He not tell them that they had no idea when He would be returning to set up His rule? God just had to finally hose them out by Roman intervention, eh?
Was Peter a Pope i.e. the bishop i.e elder of Rome? Yes.
God chose Peter. and just as Paul wrote about wisely chosing successors to the bishop, Peter chose his successor, under God’s grace and will, he chose Linus
well, they worked hard to preach people away from the indo-european religion and the fact of the triumph of Christianity would have pleased, not horrified them
It isn’t that Peter was more of a man than others or had unshakeable faith (clearly)... he was given a special commission by Christ to feed His flock. He was chosen to be servant of the others just as the Pope is called the “servant of the servants of God.”
This line of reasoning is circular. Protestants walk away from the Church and then look back at us as just a denomination, as they are. It isn't so. The term "Catholic" means universal. It is in all places at all times. It is the union of Heaven and Earth. As Peter was told, what is bound on Earth is bound in Heaven... it is One Kingdom. This is not so in denominational Protestantism.
It's not that simple. In this, Simon again denied placing Christ above self and others, three times.
Reparation for his triple denial, . . .
Going over the text in the four gospels, you will find that Simon denies knowing Jesus six times, not three.
. . . and a preeminence in assuming the Shepherd's role.
The risen Christ was offering no such role. He was only offering to restore Simon to the role of a disciple, who would agree to do the duties expected of the other faithful confessing disciples. Peter had placed himself out of the role of disciple by denying Jesus before other humans. He knew what he had done.
And strengthening the brethren.
Not as a leader (as clearly understood from other associated Scripture showing Simon's attempt to exercise leadership over the other disciples, and refused by Jesus), but simple as another member of the group of conjoint disciples, supporting one another, holding other's needs above those of oneself, and willing to participate in the normal duties of every disciple/apostle.
But he has it as an explicit charge.
Most certainly not at all. Your assumption here is quite confused as to what was going on in the John 21 passages.
No evidence of that...In fact, plenty of evidence to the contrary...Jesus said Peter would die of old age, not hanging on a cross...And if Jesus said it, it happened...And not in Rome....
Simon Peter Magus however, a bishop of a very large church in Rome died on a cross at the time it is claimed that the apostle Peter was there...
You got the wrong Peter, bro...
All the overseers of the churches were told to 'feed the flock'...You'll have to find something else for your proof...
Here is something you may find interesting to discuss: -——————————————————————————
It is kind of confusing to me ( but most everything is )
17 And it came to pass, that, when I was come again to Jerusalem, even while I prayed in the temple, I was in a trance;
Paul says when he came again to Jerusalem, which would have been 14 to 17 years after his conversion, so the scripture is kind of hard for me to really get the straight of.
So it is kind of hard to tell if Paul ended the explanation of his conversion in verse 16 and goes to the present in 17 or just what.
But Paul was warned not to go to Jerusalem.
ch 21
14 And when he would not be persuaded, we ceased, saying, The will of the Lord be done.
15 And after those days we took up our carriages, and went up to Jerusalem.
ch 22
21 And he said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles.
After that Paul ended up in Rome and there he is said to have been killed.
PLease explain...
Thank you.
I am going through it, comparing Scripture with Scripture.
No one said he was the first...But Jesus said Paul was picked to sent to the Gentiles while Peter would go to the Jews...
I will be glad to; howecer, today is not the day I can do it. But I will not push it too far back.
YEP, that’s just what I’m studying right now! I’ll get back to you when I can come to some kind of understanding of the time line going on! Regards, smvoice
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