Posted on 12/13/2013 11:31:40 AM PST by Gamecock
I forgot to suggest that one hint is that there were three denials before the first rooster-crow, and three others before the second rooster-crow. Simon wailed after the second crowing, for he knew the consequences of the denials.
So you don't believe Paul???
No one said he was the first...But Jesus said Paul was picked to sent to the Gentiles while Peter would go to the Jews...
Acts 15
7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
You believe that Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles which is fine, But I happen to believe a little different.
In view of that, do you believe anything Paul said???
We have been posting citations for our assertions... please show the same courtesy.
isn’t it amazing....for over 2,000 years the Catholic church thought that Peter was her first Pope,,,,but no, now in 2013 Gamecock dispells that theory and sets her straight......thanks!......pathetic
would that be the bible that they wrote?
Peter...32-67 Linus 67-76 Cletus 76-88 Clement 88-98 Evaristus 97-105 Alexander 105-115 we keep real good records!
In view of that, do you believe anything Paul said???
It isn’t the Bible - its the way people interpret or misinterpret it. One needs to pray for understanding - ask and ye shall receive, knock and it shall be opened unto you....
It's a good thing you came along when you did... the Catholic Church has never tried this approach. After 2,000 years, we can finally start doing it right.
How do you know what to believe then and what not to believe??? And yes, I believe every thing the bible says...
Whether there's any truth to them or not...
How do you know what to believe then and what not to believe??? And yes, I believe every thing the bible says.
Its quite apparent that you aren’t familiar with your own religion and how the Catholic Church discouraged the laity from reading the Bible for themselves. Are you aware of why they have prayer beads? I’ll leave you to look up these things for yourself - but, since the Catholic Church tells you what to think and believe - I seriously doubt that your heart and mind are open to the truth in Jesus Christ. I’m not against Catholic people - only what they teach and believe, because they walk in error in so many things. Having said that- God sent His Son to die for everyone’s sins, and that includes the Catholics. Whether one accepts His plan of salvation is up to each individual - no denomination is going to take you to heaven - only belief in Jesus can.
Jesus had much to say about stiff-necked people who wouldn’t listen to the truth - so, please continue in your stiff-necked ways - its your eternal soul.
I really should just stop reading right there. It's quite apparent you would rather condescend than have an open conversation. I guess I'm just a glutton for punishment...
... and how the Catholic Church discouraged the laity from reading the Bible for themselves.
Because, truly, private interpretation is not only encouraged in the Bible but has brought great unity wherever it's been professed.
2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.When the Apostles brought Christ to the early Church, they didn't bring a stack of Bibles and pass them around for the people to memorize. They brought their personal testimony and, yes, tradition (2 Thess 2:15). If it took the personal reading and memorization of Scripture to have a true church, then we had to wait 1,500 years for Gutenberg to give us the printing press. Prior to that, Bibles were scarce (as they were copied by the hands of monks and others) and only to be heard by the masses at Holy Mass.2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Are you aware of why they have prayer beads?
Considering this is an area of great scholarly disagreement, I would be happy to read your thesis. Generally, it originated in the early Church as a way of marking the recitation of prayers or even the Psalms. St Dominic received a vision from the Blessed Virgin Mary which transformed it universally into the prayer it is today... a meditation on the life and mysteries of Christ.
but, since the Catholic Church tells you what to think and believe - I seriously doubt that your heart and mind are open to the truth in Jesus Christ.
I'm having a discussion with you without casting aspersions on your motives and hardness of heart while you do so freely at me... and my heart and mind are closed to the truth? Check the mirror, my FRiend.
Jesus had much to say about stiff-necked people who wouldn’t listen to the truth - so, please continue in your stiff-necked ways - its your eternal soul.
Wise words. If you heeded them more than projected them it would be a more interesting conversation.
Look, the Bible never holds Itself out as the final arbiter of all truth. In fact, if you look to the Bible for whom you are to hold out as the "pillar and bulwark" of truth, it is the Church (1 Tim 3:15). When one is obstinate in sin, where do we go for discipline? Scripture? The Scriptures say we are to take him before the Church for discipline.
You deny what is plainly obvious throughout Scripture... that Christ gave us His Church (Matt 18:16) to lead and guide His people. If you care to read more... and I'm really tired of repeating myself... please feel free to visit my homepage for links to other discussions with your fellow protestants.
bloggers? I thought they were historians.
And most pundits and editorials are sold today as news and newsmen. Biased history isn't really history. Close but with a personal twist.
..Jesus said Peter would die of old age, not hanging on a cross..
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