Condemnation of socialism, not to mention abortion and homosexual acts and same-sex "marriage" is "liberal"?
Posted on 12/18/2013 11:10:23 AM PST by BlatherNaut
"...American conservative Catholics who defend Pope Francis keep saying that Francis is truly orthodox, despite the fact that the liberal US media love him. Maybe they’re right. But the further we go into this pontificate, the more I wonder if liberals understand something about Pope Francis that conservatives do not."
(Excerpt) Read more at theamericanconservative.com ...
At least Jackie was dressed correctly. Pelosi wasn’t.
The same as you. The Church’s teaching is not the problem.
Individuals may have been conservative, but they have been few, and they are not counted among the bishops and cardinals of the Catholic church. Collectively speaking, IMO the leadership if not the "social teaching" of the Catholic church has been liberal for a long long time.
When put into the context of previous papal teaching, (teaching that has far more weighty authority I might add, because these are papal encyclicals, not mere apostolic exhortations), it would seem that Pope Francis' remarks are quite mild in comparison. This is papal teaching that goes back 120 years!
-- from the thread Pope Responds to Rush Limbaugh
Condemnation of socialism, not to mention abortion and homosexual acts and same-sex "marriage" is "liberal"?
Condemnation of capitalism and constitutional republics, support for illegal immigration and international trade unions, and repeated association with the Democratic Party is "conservative"?
“CONDEMNATION” of socialism, abortion and homosexual acts and same-sex ‘marriage’??? It’s one thing to CONDEMN it. It’s another to actually DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. As I would think as head of a religious organization, the pope could do. BIG DEAL: CONDEMNATION. That and $5.00 will get you a latte and big cookie.
The Church isn’t doing something concrete to oppose abortion and homosexualist activism? Do you really want to make that claim?
‘capitalism’ is a concept (and word) invented by Karl Marx, you Marxists!
LIBERAL!? Seriously!? Naaaaah
Please
Snake handling haters are gonna hate no matter what the Pope says, and they’ll pretend it is about something other than their eternal hatred for the Catholic Church.
Yes I do. I want to make that claim. Until the church lines up pro-abortion supporters like Pelosi, etc. and EXCOMMUNICATES them immediately, they are just *@#*#*#* in the wind. And homosexualist activism?! THAT’S a good one. The evidence speaks otherwise. The church reacts when they are cornered. Woooh. WHERE IS THE FIRE? WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE? WHERE IS THE RIGHTEOUS ANGER toward those IN YOUR CHURCH who support these abominations??? What kind of organization who purports to being in charge of bringing in Christ’s KINGDOM, does so with white gloves and limp noodle scourging of those IN-YOUR-FACE members? Yes, I DO make that claim. The RCC is nothing more than an impotent hull of big ideas, big words, and big claims. You are filled to the brim with emptiness. Bloated with it.
The “ virtues of Capitalism”. Actually is capitalism inherently virtuous? I ask because the concept of capitalism relies on the availability of capital/funds to anyone who is worthy of a loan - in order to pursue some sort of economic purpose that will produce a profit.
In that sense, one could go to the gospel where Jesus tells the parable of the three servants who were each given 10, 5, and 1 talent respectively by their master. When the master returned, he called each in to get a report on how they used the money. You will recall that the first two invested their money and were able to repay the master with some left over; the last went and buried his single coin and have nothing to show as to any effort to improve his situation or that of the master. well, the master scolded the last one and called him ‘worthless.’
So, based on this parable capitalism seems to be OK with Jesus.
However, capitalism is neither inherently virtuous or sinful. Capitalism matured in the 19th century in North America where there existed freedom and a virtuous population who were guided by Judeo-Christian principles. In that time and place it could flourish and lift up the entire population. But, without a moral population, capitalism can become an abusive economic system as well - mostly when money becomes an object of idolatry.
I think the latter is the concern of many people. It bothers me as well.
Still, an all powerful central government which thinks it owns all the products of our labor, is also greedy, wasteful, and abusive, and as such is worse than anything capitalism can produce.
Which gets back to Pope Frances’s words this summer which seemed to alarm many - when he said Christians ought to be primarily concerned about evangelizing the good news about Jesus Christ to a population that has become callous and bored by anything that smacks of spirituality. He mentioned that we ought not to be always talking about abortion and homosexuality - it was misconstrued. He could have used other sins - robbery, lying, etc., but because he mentioned the sins of the flesh everyone got their noses out of joint. IMHO, PF does have a legitimate point - the loss of a common Judeo-Christian morality is what is the problem in this world in that it drives the breakdown of morality in the culture.
The problem is that the Church's teaching is getting lost in the translation. The stream of peculiar commentary issuing from Pope Francis is exacerbating the problem. His mockery of "rosary counters", "sayer of prayers", "pelagians", etc., stings. His choice of a socialist such as Cardinal O'Malley for his kitchen cabinet and of Wuerl as a kingmaker speak for themselves in regard to his outlook. I don't doubt his orthodoxy in regard to abortion, etc., only his judgement. Time will tell whether his plan to decentralize the Church will create more confusion and further weaken the transmission of orthodox Catholic teaching.
Free market capitalism is so vastly superior to that of any other economic system which has ever been tried, it blows me away that anyone with half a brain (Catholic or otherwise) does not see that is an obvious truth.
Makes for a convenient system. When they out themselves, just add them to the prayer list.
Therefore capitalism is the lesser evil. Centralized economies invariably lead to infringements on personal freedom, including religious freedom.
The popes following Pope Pius XII were more interested in secular humanism and socialism than anything else and that includes this latest fool.
I too am a Roman Catholic, but thanks to God I’m a Conservative or Traditional one!
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