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Bill O'Reilly vs Bible commentaries on Luke 6:37 (O'Reilly factor on Phil Robertson. Video)
YouTube/FOX News ^ | 12/20/2013 | Bill O'Reilly et al

Posted on 12/20/2013 8:46:47 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist

Click on the YouTube link below to watch Bill O'Reilly's chat with Laura Ingraham on last night's The O'Reilly Factor (12/19/2013). Bill O'Reilly quotes Luke 6:37, which is displayed on the screen:

"Judge not, and you will not be judged. Condemn not, and you will not be condemned."

Listen to what he has to say. Do you agree with what he has to say about "Judge not lest ye be judged..."?

Now compare what he has to say with what is at Catholic.com and Catholic.org on this subject. Go to those sites and the first thing you see today is a discussion about what Phil Robertson had to say and the issue of homosexuality and right and wrong. They both seem to be in agreeement with the following:

1.) NIV Study Bible, page 1550, Luke 6:37, commentary section:

"Jesus did not relieve His followers of the need for discerning right and wrong (cf. vv. 43-45), but he condemned unjust and hypocritical judging of others."

2.) Holman Concise Bible Commentary, page 453. Luke 6:12-49

"...love recognizes sin in the self before it hastens to deal with sin in others."

3.) Fire Bible: Student Edition, page 1397 [for those in that age group]. Commentary section.

"This is one of the most quoted - but often misunderstood and abused - Bible passages. Ungodly people often cite this principle to justify their sinful behavior and lifestyles. The fact is that God's people must constantly use discernment, make wise judgments and accept or reject certain beliefs and behaviors (See Pr. 3:21; Jn. 7:24).

1.) We have to discern what is right and wrong by the scriptures and take a stand for what is right. 2.) We have to realize that we are sinners (which Phil Robertson did) BEFORE we deal with the sin in others, as Holman shows above, thus showing that sin in others must be dealt with AFTER our own, and 3.) certain behaviors must be called out and rejected.


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1 posted on 12/20/2013 8:46:47 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All

YouTube
12/19/2013

Bill O’Reilly Offers Suprising Reaction to Phil Robertson Controversy

http://www.youtube.com/watch/?v=DI3B85tJHPA&feature=


2 posted on 12/20/2013 8:48:41 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

And this is all very well and good. But what leftist morons do not understand is that Phild DID NOT JUDGE anyone.

He correctly identified sin - as any Christian can and must do. But he didn’t condemn anyone. The God of Heaven - through His Word does that.


3 posted on 12/20/2013 8:50:28 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
As I posted on another thread:

Bloviator did a really poor job tonight ...... I guess he either didn't read the GQ article, or he didn't get this far:

“We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love ’em, give ’em the good news about Jesus—whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ’em out later, you see what I’m saying?”

So much for his "Phil is judging" argument.

4 posted on 12/20/2013 8:50:50 AM PST by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: Responsibility2nd

I agree. It is very good.

Phil Robertson did not judge anyone, and he did correctly identify sin, which the commentaries back up.

And he didn’t condemn anyone.

Now, what do you think about O’Reilly and his comments?


5 posted on 12/20/2013 8:53:40 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

BOR is a self-aggrandizing horse’s patoot (with apologies to horses everywhere).


6 posted on 12/20/2013 8:54:51 AM PST by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: MissMagnolia; All

Yep. Robertson did not judge anyone. He admitted he was a sinner, discerned what was wrong in himself first, then others second and rebuked it.


7 posted on 12/20/2013 8:55:21 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

This verse is constantly taken out of context.

Contextually, God’s word is clearly talking about self-righteous judgment.

Luke 6:39 - 42 makes that clear.

39 And He spoke a parable to them: “Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into the ditch?

40 A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone who is perfectly trained will be like his teacher.

41 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the plank in your own eye?

42 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me remove the speck that is in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the plank that is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck that is in your brother’s eye.

Christians must judge but not do so hypocritically. Of course the ultimate judgment belongs to God.


8 posted on 12/20/2013 8:55:46 AM PST by schaef21
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All

What do other people here think about what O’Reilly said?


9 posted on 12/20/2013 8:55:59 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I’m at work. You-tube blocked. And I certainly don’t watch BOR when I’m able.

“Now, what do you think about O’Reilly and his comments?”

Only thing I know is what I’ve read here on FR about them. And that is the usual: Ted Baxter is clueless.


10 posted on 12/20/2013 8:57:30 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I have wrestled with the quote, ‘Judge not lest ye be judged’ and I knew it couldn’t possibly mean what I had been told. Thank you very much for its not that I am super critical of others but I could not reconcile it with the actions and words of Christ in other instances.

Thanks again, I knew there was a reason I hung out on FR with people smarter then me.

Merry Christmas!


11 posted on 12/20/2013 8:58:09 AM PST by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

BOR is a liar. He cannot state his views without lying about what other people have said or done.


12 posted on 12/20/2013 8:59:04 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: schaef21

Thank you for summing it up nicely.


13 posted on 12/20/2013 8:59:24 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Welcome to Obamastan! (Mrs. Yellowdoghunter))
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To: Responsibility2nd

Are you sure you didn’t watch the video? Yours is a very well informed post for someone who didn’t even take a little peak.


14 posted on 12/20/2013 9:02:05 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Bill O’Reilly trying to play both sides of the argument as usual. You can say that homosexuality is a sin, but if you say unrepentant homosexuals are not going to heaven then you are guilty of “judging” according to O’Reilly?!? What utter nonsense, O’Reilly might have had a point if Phil had stopped some random homosexual and screamed he was going to hell, but saying unrepentant sin, any sin, will keep the practicer out of heaven is far from “judging” it's stating a biblical truth. Does O’Reilly (supposedly a good Catholic) think an unrepentant homosexual will go to heaven? I wish somebody would have asked him (of course he would have just avoided the question)....
15 posted on 12/20/2013 9:02:28 AM PST by apillar
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
I read the original GQ article, When I watched the O'Reilly show the first thing I noticed that he did not read the original article. At best his info and response was from the talking points from GLAAD...

Avatar no longer posted to protest one of A&E's parent companies

16 posted on 12/20/2013 9:03:01 AM PST by darkwing104 (Do not take my word for it, these are my opinions...Do your own Homework)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I saw this last night. He’s making up his own scripture as he’s going along again.


17 posted on 12/20/2013 9:03:37 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Bill O’Blather…. certainly my choice for commentary on the Bible /s


18 posted on 12/20/2013 9:06:32 AM PST by Nifster
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To: BykrBayb
Aww thanks. But ya know. One just can't go wrong with this sentiment about Bill O'Reilly:
Ted Baxter is clueless

19 posted on 12/20/2013 9:07:02 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Like so many others, BOR confuses the sin with the sinner. It’s God’s job to judge the sinner, but it’s our job to judge the sin. Discernment is exactly the right word. Without it we’re not even animals, we’re potted plants. We make judgments by the second based on SOME criterion. And for many, that criterion is the Bible. Is BOR going to tell us that we can’t say or believe that murder (or stealing or lying or even speeding) is wrong and to be avoided? I don’t think so. “Judge not . . .” couldn’t be less appropriate an argument.


20 posted on 12/20/2013 9:10:25 AM PST by Mach9
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman
"I have wrestled with the quote, I have too....simply put, to 'judge' someone is to say , I'm free from sin so I can condemn you for your sin....in the same way that a court judge can't be a felon...Reference : the passage of the woman caught in adultery.

what burns me is 'know it alls' that quote this verse as if no one can say this or that is sin....We need to judge sin, maybe not the person but the action that is sin....that IS necessary.

21 posted on 12/20/2013 9:14:26 AM PST by virgil283 (When the sun spins, the cross appears, and the skies burn red)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

O’Reilly is nothing more than a big blowhard. He does know right from left. How his show rates so high is beyond any intelligent reasoning.


22 posted on 12/20/2013 9:16:00 AM PST by mulligan
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Do you work as a publicist for O’Reilly?


23 posted on 12/20/2013 9:24:57 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Now, what do you think about O’Reilly and his comments?

O'Reilly is a stone fool. I used to watch but found he is so ignorant that I muted most of his program. He is mentally ill.

24 posted on 12/20/2013 9:32:55 AM PST by Logical me
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To: yellowdoghunter

O’Reilly drives me nuts when he quotes scripture.... he almost never gets it right.


25 posted on 12/20/2013 9:36:28 AM PST by schaef21
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To: MissMagnolia

Regardless of whether or not you agree with them, O’Reilly usuall at least puts forth an opinion that is fairly well reasoned and logical. But trying to parse Robertson’s words between “judgemental” or “personal opinion” was really weak, and given the sentence you quoted, completely wrong.

Of course it’s possbile to say “far be it from me to judge”...and then go ahead and judge anyway. But Robertson didn’t do that. He specifically said it’s God’s task to judge, he just states his position.

Because he went out so far on this imaginary limb of logic, I suspect O’Reilly will stick with it and never admit he is wrong. He will correct his own errors of fact but I’ve never seen him reverse on a position he’s taken.


26 posted on 12/20/2013 9:39:22 AM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Phil clarified it and said that it is up to God to judge. Anyway, yes non-Christians, and even some Christians get this way wrong. Yes, we are to judge and discern justly, bearing in mind we are all sinful. It is also a sin if we do not correct sinful behavior, but should do it in a spirit of love not anger.


27 posted on 12/20/2013 10:13:36 AM PST by vpintheak (Thankful to be God blessed & chosen!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
If anyone gets tired of railing against the msm half witted handling of the DD story, take a few minutes to read the article at

Just Christians - On Homosexuality & Christian Identity

28 posted on 12/20/2013 10:16:23 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

This verse is probably the lib’s favorite verse because they interpret it to mean we should not criticize what is clearly sin.

What it means is that Jesus is our judge and we should await His judgement. It is also a warning to those who become proud in their self-righteousness and blinded by their own sinful nature.


29 posted on 12/20/2013 10:22:09 AM PST by OrangeHoof (2001-2008: "Dissent Is Patriotism!" 2009-2016: "Dissent Is Racism!")
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

There is something important to remember about television programming. All of it - all of it! - whatever the genre, is entertainment and nothing but entertainment. Yes, this includes all “hard news” programming, documentaries, etc., everything except emergency broadcasting. Bill O’Reilly is an entertainer. Yes, it may be that he has journalistic credentials, whatever that means in our day, but his chosen venue is an entertainment medium. And he comports himself accordingly.

Take radio for a comparison. Radio is a mixed medium. Some of it, most of it, is entertainment as well. But a lot of it has a more serious purpose. Two things make this possible: First, radio programming is much cheaper than television programming, thus opening the door to subject matter that doesn’t make money or help make money from the entertained. Second, radio is a one sense only medium. All one can do is listen. This helps concentrate the mind of the listener on the words, the actual message or content being broadcast. The medium lends itself toward more serious purposes.

Remember O’Reilly tried radio. He was going to take the number one position from Rush Limbaugh. It didn’t work. It didn’t work for some very basic reasons. I only wonder if Bill truly learned anything about himself from the experience. I think not.

Speaking of Rush, I will say that while he too is an entertainer in large measure, he puts out some serious content seriously thought through. I also appreciate the fact that, unlike so many of his fellows (you fill in the names), Rush does not venture into the area of theology and the Bible. In this he is wise, for he has no training there, and knows it. Knowing what you don’t know is one of the marks of maturity and mature thinking, in other words, of wisdom.


30 posted on 12/20/2013 10:24:30 AM PST by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: OrangeHoof
This verse is probably the lib’s favorite verse because they interpret it to mean we should not criticize what is clearly sin.

And of course without the application of objective judgement to particular acts or behaviour, the Ten Commandments would have little use. Jesus modeled objective judgement based on observable facts, e.g. Matthew 21:12. When Phil Robertson quoted the Bible regarding sin, he was simply relaying Biblical teachings, not implying that he or anyone else has the right to judge another's soul.

31 posted on 12/20/2013 11:01:29 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
What do other people here think about what O’Reilly said?

His is the typical Catholic response...Robertson can be biblically defended only by bible reading Protestants...And there is plenty of biblical defense available...

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

I was going to compare this with the modern Catholic bible version but OMG, unbelievable...

9 2 3 Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor sodomites

They've taken the blame from the pedophile bishops and put it on the altar boys....May God have mercy on you guys...

32 posted on 12/20/2013 11:04:52 AM PST by Iscool
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To: BlatherNaut

This week, Robertson called homosexuality a sin. That isn’t judgment. This week, in another country, Muslims stoned a man to death for being a homo. That is judgment.


33 posted on 12/20/2013 11:27:11 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
BOR focus on only "Judge not...". He couldn't get off that dime and move on to the biblical statement that "homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God". There is no judgment in that. It's merely a statement.
34 posted on 12/20/2013 11:30:44 AM PST by HarleyD (...one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

No human has the power to “judge” or “condemn” - it does not matter what we think, feel, or say about sin,
we don’t have any power to determine anyone’s eternal destiny.

So, when they tell us not to judge, we simply say I don’t, because I can’t. And it’s not my standard of which I speak.


35 posted on 12/20/2013 11:33:47 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: HarleyD

BOR is a poor exegete. I was embarrassed for him last night.


36 posted on 12/20/2013 11:47:38 AM PST by The Unknown Republican
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; daniel1212
Bill O’Reilly Offers Suprising Reaction to Phil Robertson Controversy

You are surprised? I'm not. O'Reilly ascribes to the Roman Catholic JEDP system. He is constantly telling priests and pastors who come on his show that most of the Bible is allegory and poetry. He never puts a stake in the ground where the Bible stops being a "fairy tale" to him. So I am not surprised at all.

And his quote from Luke? He should know better from his own Roman Catholic upbringing that Jesus addressed self-righteous people applying their standard and not communicating God's standard.

37 posted on 12/20/2013 11:50:34 AM PST by redleghunter
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To: Iscool
9 2 3 Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor sodomites They've taken the blame from the pedophile bishops and put it on the altar boys....May God have mercy on you guys...

The altar boys were victims, not "boy prostitutes" peddling their wares. How could a verse condemning homosexual prostitution possibility be interpreted as laying the blame on rape victims?

38 posted on 12/20/2013 12:01:06 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: The Unknown Republican
BOR is a poor exegete.

He is and when someone challenges him, he shuts them down and says there is no time to discuss theology.

39 posted on 12/20/2013 12:05:35 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: Iscool
"His is the typical Catholic response"

Actually, his response is in direct violation of Catholic teachings, as you know.

You do know what the bible says about lying, yes?

40 posted on 12/20/2013 12:12:16 PM PST by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: BlatherNaut
Bill O'Reilly and other Liberals almost always misquote the Bible or take it out of context.

Remember this: Homosexuals have a real problem.
It's clear, that they were called not once, not twice, but three times in Romans 1, yet they refused.

Remember: Jeremiah 7 lets the Liberals know what's in store for them.

It is written: Those who support homosexuals are against our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
These anti Christ people only bring destruction on us ALL.
I have NO sympathy for homosexuals!

Homosexuality is a "Mark" of disobedience.
Someone once asked The answer is in the definition of "REPROBATE". And the reason"why" is given in the Bible.

God has a cure for homosexuals.

"Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect
that God is just,
that his justice cannot sleep forever."

"Tares", you'd better repent, and change your ways; and you'd better do it quickly.
41 posted on 12/20/2013 12:22:15 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: BlatherNaut
The altar boys were victims, not "boy prostitutes" peddling their wares. How could a verse condemning homosexual prostitution possibility be interpreted as laying the blame on rape victims?

I've seen it here on FR...Blaming the altar boys for luring the poor priest into sexual activity...I'll bet you won't find anything in any 'ancient Greeks Texts' referring to boy prostitutes in that verse...

42 posted on 12/20/2013 12:38:51 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Celtic Cross
Actually, his response is in direct violation of Catholic teachings, as you know.

You do know what the bible says about lying, yes?

I don't care what your religion teaches and obviously most Catholics don't either...

But that Bill O'Reilly response has been used on us more times than I can count...

43 posted on 12/20/2013 12:41:57 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool
I've seen it here on FR...Blaming the altar boys for luring the poor priest into sexual activity

That is the minority view. The evidence indicates the opposite. There were terrible acts committed against innocent, trusting Catholics by priests. Systematic eradication of perverts and molesters from the priestly ranks has been and continues to be the response.

I'll bet you won't find anything in any 'ancient Greeks Texts' referring to boy prostitutes in that verse...

Maybe not. It's not in my Catholic Bible (Douay Rheims version) which reads: "Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: Neither fornicators nor idolators nor adulterers:

Nor the effeminate nor liars with mankind nor thieves nor covetous nor drunkards nor railers nor extortioners shall possess the kingdom of God."

Some translations are clearly better than others, and since Vatican II there have been some poor translations produced.

44 posted on 12/20/2013 1:14:22 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Proverbs 24:25

New King James Version (NKJV)

25 But those who rebuke the wicked will have delight, And a good blessing will come upon them.

When the Bible says not to judge it means one shouldn't judge hypocritically.

Luke 6 goes on to say, remove the plank from your own eye SO you can remove the plank from your brother's eye. So, the passage in context is a command to judge. The passage says stop sinning and tell others to do the same and the requires judging.

45 posted on 12/20/2013 1:48:07 PM PST by Kazan
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
1 Corinthians 2:15

New King James Version (NKJV)

15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.

46 posted on 12/20/2013 1:50:36 PM PST by Kazan
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

O’Reilly is a blithering idiot who is too damn stupid to notice that he judges people on a daily basis. As we all do.


47 posted on 12/20/2013 1:51:55 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

BillyO.....the phone sex king comments and gets it all wrong.....LOL. Phil identified sin, quoted appropriate scripture.......he did not point a finger a a person and condemn them...but Bill on the other hand did exactly that.


48 posted on 12/20/2013 1:54:57 PM PST by tioga (Wise men still seek Him.)
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To: bigbob
It doesn't matter if he judged because the Bible says judging "rightly" is perfectly appropriate:

] Luke 7:43

Simon answered and said, “I suppose the one whom he forgave more.” And He said to him, “You have rightly judged.”

1 Corinthians 2:15

New King James Version (NKJV)

15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.

The Bible only condemns judging hypocritically. And that is what Luke 6 does.

49 posted on 12/20/2013 1:55:34 PM PST by Kazan
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To: tioga

Phil speaks the truth, and expresses what 99% of men know in their hearts.

Sexual relations were created by God so that one man and one woman could unite in a life-giving act.

Too bad for the homosexuals—the truth hurts!


50 posted on 12/20/2013 1:57:47 PM PST by miserare (Sebelius is Obama's Mengele.)
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